Update ** Selling my IS and rolling road results for new car

[Matt_M44is]

The time has finally come that im going to have to sell my beloved 'is'.
I just can't afford to keep 3 cars (the parents want their money back )... selling the nasty e36 too but im not sad about that!!

If your interested drop me a PM and i can give you some details.

*** If your interested ***

Went on the rolling road with my new car on sunday and was very pleased with its results;

1995 MR2 GTS

HKS intake, 3" downpipe/decat, 3" Departure exhaust system running on standard 14 psi boost.

309 bhp @ 6156
278 lbft @ 5465

I have a Phoenix power intercooler with ceramic hardpipes, Greedy Type R blow off valve and manual boost controller in my garage ready to fit.
Once on i hope to run about 16 psi and see bhp figures approaching 350 and torque figures into the 300's!!

Do miss the E30 but this is a lot of fun, bit of a step up

[Russ]

Went on the rolling road with my new car on sunday and was very pleased with its results;

1995 MR2 GTS

HKS intake, 3" downpipe/decat, 3" Departure exhaust system running on standard 14 psi boost.

309 bhp @ 6156
278 lbft @ 5465

I have a Phoenix power intercooler with ceramic hardpipes, Greedy Type R blow off valve and manual boost controller in my garage ready to fit.
Once on i hope to run about 16 psi and see bhp figures approaching 350 and torque figures into the 300's!!

Fcuk me! That seems to be A LOT of power for a decat and a new intercooler. You say its running standard boost? I assume those figures are at the fly (estimated), what were the results at the wheels?

P.s. Dont bother with a Grainger Valve, get yourself a nice shiny Apexi AVC-R

[Moofles]

it's a rev3 right? russ is a right geek at these now, but do these run higher standard psi? i seem to remember him saying his rev2 runs 10psi standard...as mentioned, those are mighty high power figures for what you've done...is the new intercooler the size of a house radiator, and drops the charge by 10 degrees+? lol

[Matt_M44is]

There fly figures yes, at the wheels is on the sheet but not got too hand, will get a look later and stick a copy up. Just blew a hole in my rad so waiting for the new one to arrive!

The mods done to my car include;

Performance:
Xtreme Boost 3" Downpipe(decat)
Phoenix Power Departure 2, 3" Exhaust System
HKS (Orange) Racing Air intake

Phoenix power Intercooler (best air/air I/C avaliable awaiting fitttment)
Greedy Typr R BOV (awaiting fittment)
Grainger Valve (awaiting fittment)

Chassis:
Cusco Fully Adjustable Coilovers
Cusco front & rear strut braces
Cusco Anti roll bars
Cusco Adjustable Caster arms
Cusco Poly bushes

AP Triple Plate Racing Clutch

Car runs shock at 14psi producing 245 bhp all thats beenn added to give it the extra power is a grand's worth of exhaust and decat and a 300 pound filter.

There were 3 standard rev3's there on the day that all produced in the region of 240 - 260 so thats about right.

Only problem i have is that the car came into the country modified, it may have had internals played with / turbo fins changed i don't know ... i keep finding more and more out.

[Russ]

Only problem i have is that the car came into the country modified, it may have had internals played with / turbo fins changed i don't know ... i keep finding more and more out.

It must have something else done mate There is absolutley no way you'd be running that kind of power with just an exhaust and filter.

Hell, Im running an Apexi Intake (widely regarded as the best one ) and Ԛ£800 worth of Hayward and Scott custom made exhaust, also decat, and I'm looking at being around 10 -15bhp up on standard at best!

[Moofles]

i would have said 300hp+ would need something extra to be done, stuff like exhausts/filters/decats seem to work well on turbo cars, but not to the tune of 55hp+...

mind you, this can only be good for you matt!

[Karan]

Only problem i have is that the car came into the country modified, it may have had internals played with / turbo fins changed i don't know ... i keep finding more and more out.

It must have something else done mate There is absolutley no way you'd be running that kind of power with just an exhaust and filter.

Hell, Im running an Apexi Intake (widely regarded as the best one ) and Ԛ£800 worth of Hayward and Scott custom made exhaust, also decat, and I'm looking at being around 10 -15bhp up on standard at best!

russ mate.... ure car is seriously rapid!!!!!! have not been in an e30 as quick as that.... us non turdbo folk can only dream.....

[Russ]

Only problem i have is that the car came into the country modified, it may have had internals played with / turbo fins changed i don't know ... i keep finding more and more out.

It must have something else done mate There is absolutley no way you'd be running that kind of power with just an exhaust and filter.

Hell, Im running an Apexi Intake (widely regarded as the best one ) and Ԛ£800 worth of Hayward and Scott custom made exhaust, also decat, and I'm looking at being around 10 -15bhp up on standard at best!

russ mate.... ure car is seriously rapid!!!!!! have not been in an e30 as quick as that.... us non turdbo folk can only dream.....

I'm saving up for an Electronic Boost Controller - going up to 15psi (from the standard 11 on the rev 2s) should see an extra 40 happy dancing horses!

[Karan]

It must have something else done mate There is absolutley no way you'd be running that kind of power with just an exhaust and filter.

Hell, Im running an Apexi Intake (widely regarded as the best one ) and Ԛ£800 worth of Hayward and Scott custom made exhaust, also decat, and I'm looking at being around 10 -15bhp up on standard at best!

russ mate.... ure car is seriously rapid!!!!!! have not been in an e30 as quick as that.... us non turdbo folk can only dream.....

I'm saving up for an Electronic Boost Controller - going up to 15psi (from the standard 11 on the rev 2s) should see an extra 40 happy dancing horses!

LOL u r power mad.....damn i want an electronic thingamajig for my 2.7.....damn u!!!!!!!
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damn i need a newer car.....hmmmmmmmmm rx7/skyline???????

[Russ]

I'm thinking of a rex or an R33 liner for my next one (in a couple of years), they are both awesome cars.

Personally though, the RX7 oozes gorgeousness - you hardly ever see them and they look like the batmobile or something! I love them! (Quite a few look suspiciously cheap too, until you realise that they are coming up to 60k = rebuild time)

[Karan]

itd have to be a rwd r32 for me.,,,, do u know whta their model name is?? is it gts or what.,,,, i really know nothng bout them

[Russ]

Moofles is the resident Skyline guru. In my limited knwoledge, i tink all the r32s are RWD, and i think that some of the R33s are RWD and others are 4WD, Im not sure which model is which though.......

Moofles!

p.s. What you actually want is a s14 200SX

[Moofles]

resident skyline guru lol

ok, regardless of model (well considering r32/33/34)

all gt-r's are semi 4WD - they use a system called ATTESSA (maybe less S's or T's ) which transfer up to 50% of the torque to the front in "times of need"

if you want a RWD skyline without modifying a gt-r you can pick from any skyline except the gt-r in each model, but the one you probably want is:
r32: gts-t - [RB20DET] 2.0 turbo with a bit over 200hp
r33: gts-t - [RB25DET] 2.5 turbo with about 250hp
r34: gt-t - [RB25DET] 2.5 turbo with about 280hp

OR you can pick from the gt-r's and modify them - all with the RB26DETT twin turbo 2.6 rated at 280hp but generally more like 300hp+ (standard)

karan - get the r32 gt-r and pull a fuse and rwd is yours!!

[Karan]

resident skyline guru lol

ok, regardless of model (well considering r32/33/34)

all gt-r's are semi 4WD - they use a system called ATTESSA (maybe less S's or T's ) which transfer up to 50% of the torque to the front in "times of need"

if you want a RWD skyline without modifying a gt-r you can pick from any skyline except the gt-r in each model, but the one you probably want is:
r32: gts-t - [RB20DET] 2.0 turbo with a bit over 200hp
r33: gts-t - [RB25DET] 2.5 turbo with about 250hp
r34: gt-t - [RB25DET] 2.5 turbo with about 280hp

OR you can pick from the gt-r's and modify them - all with the RB26DETT twin turbo 2.6 rated at 280hp but generally more like 300hp+ (standard)

karan - get the r32 gt-r and pull a fuse and rwd is yours!!

is it really as simple as pulling a fuse?
ive seen r32s drift but dunno if they were 4wd...
can the rb20 be tuned well#?

[Matt_M44is]

Thn thing is i still don't think that anything else has been done to the car .... most rev3's were giving good figures on sunday when the mr2 club hit the rollers. Although mine was pushing a lot more with the same mods .... only done just over 36k miles and had 9 services at toyota Japan, sweet engine.

I will be getting my I/C on and my BOV sticking it up to about 16psi and then re-rolling it at end of summer when the club goes again. I love the 3S-GTE engine just so much potential!!

One of the rev3's hit 354 bhp AHHH, water injection all the way with uprated fuel rail/pump and injectors .... thats where im heading!!

[Matt_M44is]

232 bhp at the wheels is what i got, 309 is computer generated ...

Don't know what the transmission losses are

[Moofles]

well 232 is approx 75% of 309 - they're reckoning on a mind-boggling 25% transmission loss!!

karan - yep on the r32 all you need to do is pull a fuse to stop it transferring power to the front wheels (so it all stays at the rear). Can't be done with the r33/34 though, but it can still be "relatively" easily altered...

re: tuning an rb20 - it can be done, but your best bet is to drop an rb25 or 26 in...so i'd just get the r32 gt-r

[Karan]

well 232 is approx 75% of 309 - they're reckoning on a mind-boggling 25% transmission loss!!

karan - yep on the r32 all you need to do is pull a fuse to stop it transferring power to the front wheels (so it all stays at the rear). Can't be done with the r33/34 though, but it can still be "relatively" easily altered...

re: tuning an rb20 - it can be done, but your best bet is to drop an rb25 or 26 in...so i'd just get the r32 gt-r

ok....me is getting an r32 gtr nxt year........

[SCOTT325SE]

R34..... you all know im not a fan of Ricers, but that is one VERY nice motor! Shame they hold their value so well. What will a GOOD r34 cost me anyone know?

[Russ]

R34..... you all know im not a fan of Ricers, but that is one VERY nice motor! Shame they hold their value so well. What will a GOOD r34 cost me anyone know?

a decent R34....20k + i think.

Here's one for you Karan

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/42215.htm

I reckon 500bhp should suffice for a bit....

[e30_Turbo]

If any of you guys want to see what prices you can get on import skylines,supra's etc etc send me a PM and I'll put you in touch with a mate who runs a import company....

for example: 95 GTS-T type M skline, 2.5 turbo - 60k - Ԛ£5k

He's areally good mate and he's always got some weird jap creations in stock and more on the way!!

I hate going round there myself as he always tries to get me to buy one.....one day.....then again maybe not!!

[E30BeemerLad]

Always been a fan of the 300ZX myself

look a bit of a heavy lump in some respects but I love the shape and so easy to get decent increase in power without spending stacks.

my old man worked for a garage that did grey imports, he ran the workshop. They had a 300ZX that some 23 year old kid bought. It was putting out not far short of 500BHP. Needless to say with the adjustable boost this kid just kept it on the highest setting and cained the car everywhere, so he was a frequent visitor to the workshop with problems.

My old man had to end up sourcing a 2nd hand engine from a breakers after the kid buggered the original lump. By putting in the other engine my old fella thought it would produce less power than the one that had been tittied up. However the 2nd hand engine ended up producing even more power, all the increases must have been due to the bolt on ancillaries rather than the internal parts.

They put the other engine in and tore up the warranty in front of the kid! The old fella took it out on a road test on the A11 in Norfolk. Apparently someone in an E36 M3 came up behind him at about 80MPH and latched himself onto the rear end of the nissan. The old fella buried the loud pedal and this thing apparently lit up the rear tyres and the M3 was history.

Personally if you like your Skylines and want the RWD action (Karan!) I would go for a nice late S14 200SX - a lot of the mechanical components and suspension setup etc is very skyline like,plus you get a decent wallop of power out of the box with RWD as standard, cost a lot less than a Skyline to buy and will be comparatively newer, you won't have the insurance problem of grey imports and 300+BHP is relatively cheap to attain.

Apologies for the long post!!

It's 2.25pm Friday afternoon - I'm at work, shouldn't be on here but aim to shed my newbie status before I go home at 5!

[Karan]

R34..... you all know im not a fan of Ricers, but that is one VERY nice motor! Shame they hold their value so well. What will a GOOD r34 cost me anyone know?

a decent R34....20k + i think.

Here's one for you Karan

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/42215.htm

I reckon 500bhp should suffice for a bit....

yeh ive seen that car on driftworks... thats what im aiming for in dark grey like the GUG......a GUG private plate would be cool too....amount of mods on that thing is mad......

10k is steep..... i think stock'ish' ones are around Ԛ£5-6k.....

[Russ]

232 bhp at the wheels is what i got, 309 is computer generated ...

Don't know what the transmission losses are

Which rolling road was it mate?

Not to piss on your chips, but I'd be VERY suspicious of the transmission loss they used. I've done a bit of research and the loss on the tubbys is about 17% - still giving you a very healthy 280 @ the fly. I think thats a little more realistic

In fact, I was chatting to a guy on another forum (He's the MD of a Rolling Road) and we both be interested to know where you got it done?

[Moofles]

good r34 is probably 30k+ tbh there's a big gap between those and r33's - 20k will get you a VERY good r33, possibly even a uk spec one...

gts-t's will be a fair bit cheaper...there's more difference than just the lack of attessa, though...

karan, generally wouldn't go for the 5-6k ones, spend more like 6-8k and get a nice example, too many horror stories of them @ the cheaper prices - basically loads of importers jumping on the bandwagon and importing nasties at cheap prices, best bet is to get an example already in the uk (not from an importer) which has been run in the uk for a while by an enthusiast (e.g. buy from gt-r.co.uk or skylineowners.com).

that said, there's nothing to say that a 5k one wouldn't be good - the main thing is the engine, hard to tell how it is internally, but some things can be used, pressure tests, oil examinations, etc i think.

[Karan]

good r34 is probably 30k+ tbh there's a big gap between those and r33's - 20k will get you a VERY good r33, possibly even a uk spec one...

gts-t's will be a fair bit cheaper...there's more difference than just the lack of attessa, though...

karan, generally wouldn't go for the 5-6k ones, spend more like 6-8k and get a nice example, too many horror stories of them @ the cheaper prices - basically loads of importers jumping on the bandwagon and importing nasties at cheap prices, best bet is to get an example already in the uk (not from an importer) which has been run in the uk for a while by an enthusiast (e.g. buy from gt-r.co.uk or skylineowners.com).

that said, there's nothing to say that a 5k one wouldn't be good - the main thing is the engine, hard to tell how it is internally, but some things can be used, pressure tests, oil examinations, etc i think.

cheers dude.... will chat to u in depth when i see u nxt time.....

[Moofles]

no probs i just gotta get to a meet sometime, been really slack recently..