What tyres? 15" wheels. Toyo proxies???

[Andy325i]

Is it the tr-1's everybody is using or something else?

Also anything better for simular £Â£Ã‚£?

Many thanx

Andy

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[sam325is]

pirelli p-zero is the way forward you'll never use anything else . i always used to use t1-r's but they wear out so fast and they arent exactly great. over rated imo

[Andy325i]

Thanx sam, I have P6000 on there atm and like them. How much are the P zero's?

Andy

[sam325is]

use mytyres.com they arent much more expensive. if your happy with p6000 you will be going nuts for the p-zero's. i cant imagine a better tyre

[Ziggy]

p6000s are horrible & pzeros are great to start with, but way past their best before the tread's worn down. Still not got round to trying Toyos, but I think my next set of boots will be the obvious Goodyears...

[Andy325i]

p6000s are horrible & pzeros are great to start with, but way past their best before the tread's worn down. Still not got round to trying Toyos, but I think my next set of boots will be the obvious Goodyears...

Thanx Sam

and so the great tyre debate starts

Mark, what goodyears? F1 Don't come in 15" iirc?

Andy

[Ziggy]

Mark?! Try again!

I've not looked for tyres recently & I don't have 15" wheels anyway so can't really help there... I've been quite impressed with the BF Goodrich (profiler G-force or something) that I've got at the moment though - good value too.

I normally try to resist getting into the eternal tyre debate, but P6000s are quite possibly the worst tyre choice in the world imo - at least cheap tyres have a reason for being rubbish! Newer Pzeros may well stay 'good' for longer than the ones I had btw - they were a while ago.



(Jon)

[Andy325i]

Sorry! just looked at pic and put 2 and 2 together and got 5!

Everyone slates my tyre choice

but every change has been a great improvement on the last lol

Before I had the P6000 I had the Avon ZV1 which also get slated

I went for the P6000 because I didn't like the look of the ZV3's

come on guys! you all use tyres, so all constructive input is welcome


Andy

[Bewdley320T]

Depends whether your Damon Hill, Victor Meldrew or "breaker 19 haulin' hogs".

[Andy325i]

*pictures Victar Meldrew in a 2.8 E30 *

What about Kumho ECSTA SPT KU31?

[fastdiablo]

I'm watching this one closely too . . . I'm looking at putting on some Kumho KU31 and replacing the Pnumant pm550's . . . they're poo !

[Jhonno]

T1-R's.. Very hard to beat for the £Â£

[fastdiablo]

Are either of these directional ? . . . Funds are a little tight at the moment so am looking for something that will last and that can be swapped corner to corner to even out the wear . . .

[Jhonno]

They are directional but not LH/RH.. You can swap them round, but to go left to right you need them removed and remounted (like i did when the inside rear edge began to show wear more than the outside)

[Sharabi]

tyres i would go for.
Yoko Parada Spec 2's - on the track slag and great in all conditions.
Bridgestone Protenza's - again another great tyre.

not my own experience but mate with a track prepped E30 M3, toyo Proxy R888's and he rates them very very highly even in the wet.

[GDBN]

Dunlop SP Sport 9000 ...
Cost a couple of quid more then Toyo but are worth it. Fantastic grip wet and dry.

G

[reggid]

micheline pilot exalto PE2

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyres ... earch=true

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/Tir ... &x=15&y=14

[monkey]

toyo t1r on the front and khumo on the rear works for me

[Fushion_Julz]

Not tried the PZeros, but I don't like the P6000s...certainly not on a light car.They are too hard and you won't ever get them warm enough...they also are only average in anything other than bone dry conditions...

I've got Toyo T1Rs on the 325...they are pretty good and superb value for the money. They replaced the NLA Bridgstone SO2s that were super grippy in the dry and OKish in the wet...
The Toyos are nearly as good in the dry and better in the wet...
The one critiscism is that the breakaway point is very sudden...
Wear wise, they are better than the SO2s by miles!

My M3 is shod with Avon ZZ3s (in 16" size) and I have a set of R888s for the track...The Avons are very progressive, good (superb, even) in the wet and wear very well...The R888s are in a different league in the dry...My experience is that they are skittish in the wet, though, and are horrible in standing water...Not surprising given the tread pattern...

The R888s wear fast, too...

Another one I have used and is worth a look are Falken FK512s...Grippy, progressive and confidence inspiring in the wet...wear a bit fast though, but they are cheap enough.

[fastdiablo]

Thanks to all

The wear rate is whats putting me off the likes of T1Rs and 888s . . . Pirellis seem to be getting the big thumbs down from everybody, good to now hear of a reason why as I've always thought of P Zeros and P6000s as good tyres

I'm after a road only tyre (I have a set of part worn tyres for track use, Kuhmo V7000) but must be able to take a bit of stick and last fairly well. What would the Falkens be like compared to Kumho KU31s as the Kumos, for me, are at the the top of the list for price and ability

[Andy325i]

Thanx guys Pair of T1-R's going on in the morning

Andy

[Fushion_Julz]

You putting them on the front or rear?

What are the other pair and why aren't you changing all 4?

Let us know what you think of them, then...

[GrooveRyder79]

Just got 55 profile Fulda's for my e30, seem ok and not bad money £40 a corner +VAT and fitting. On my 5 series I have just replaced Micheline Pilot's for P Zero Rosso's hope they are as good as the Pilots for £158 a corner + VAT.

[Andy325i]

You putting them on the front or rear?

What are the other pair and why aren't you changing all 4?

Let us know what you think of them, then...

Changing the rear pair.

Fronts are P6000 and have loads of tread left

Only done a couple of miles and they are ALL over the place

Hoping they get better once they wear in!

Andy

[Fushion_Julz]

Hmm...my 2p:

The Toyos are relatively soft and grippy...the P6000s are one of the hardest compounds on a road tyre (decent brand) that I've ever used....

With the combo you now have and the P6000s on the front the car will understeer like a pig!

Personally, I'd go with them the other way around to get some bite and feel from the front end...You could then lower the tyre pressure (say 26psi) on the rear to induce a bit of heat and grip in the Pirellis...

[Andy325i]

Thanx, may do that, but have always found the P6000 to grip will, but we will see how they compair to the Toyo's

Andy

[Fushion_Julz]

I have no doubt that the P6000s grip well IF you could get them hot enough...

On a lightish car such as the E30, you would need to be a bit of a hooligan with the driving style to generate enough heat...I reckon, anyway!

The Toyos will heat up well...obviously if they are brand new with 7-8mm tread, the blocks will move around for a while till they get scrubbed in...

[Andy325i]

... if they are brand new with 7-8mm tread, the blocks will move around for a while till they get scrubbed in...

Funny you say that, the first thing I noticed was how much tread there is!

Andy

[sam325is]

p6000s are horrible & pzeros are great to start with, but way past their best before the tread's worn down. Still not got round to trying Toyos, but I think my next set of boots will be the obvious Goodyears...

past their best before the tread's worn down? i dont understand how thats possible? and its certainly not what i have experienced.

[Andy325i]

Toyo's now driven a bit, grip is a lot better and a LOT more confidence inspiring, although the car does seam a little unstable as if the tread is moving about as mentioned above. . . time will tell

Andy

[big_jof]

T1Rs run weird until they scrub - lots of block movement - but great afterwards. I agree with sticking the p6000 on the back if you've had them there before, if not i'd be backing off on wet roundabouts otherwise yo'll end up looking where you've come from.

[Andy325i]

T1Rs run weird until they scrub - lots of block movement - but great afterwards. I agree with sticking the p6000 on the back if you've had them there before, if not i'd be backing off on wet roundabouts otherwise yo'll end up looking where you've come from.

I have tried to give them some scrubbing tonight

Please explain how that works

If the P6000 are a harder compound (so less grip than the proxys) won't it understeer as the rear end will have more grip than the front?

Thanx


Andy

[Bob_S]

right I am going to find some drift cock to bed my t1r's in because they are neigh on dangerous!

mitchelin offer good lateral grip but in a straight line arent worth the effort,
kuhmo's are shit
toyo's I get on with but I little worried about a set of t1r's I have with movement..
goodyears I like a lot great tyre with plenty of stability

[Fushion_Julz]

T1Rs run weird until they scrub - lots of block movement - but great afterwards. I agree with sticking the p6000 on the back if you've had them there before, if not i'd be backing off on wet roundabouts otherwise yo'll end up looking where you've come from.

I have tried to give them some scrubbing tonight

Please explain how that works

As you scrub the tyres, you
a) wear off some of the tread...ergo less to move about
b) wear the top layer of slightly hardened (from shelf storage and vulcanisation) top layer
c) start to generate heat into the rubber which softens it slightly

If the P6000 are a harder compound (so less grip than the proxys) won't it understeer as the rear end will have more grip than the front?

Other way around, chap...harder on the rear will make the rear grip less than on the front (at least until you overheat the fronts...).
Decreasing the pressure allows the tyre to move more and generate more heat.
Hence lower pressure=more grip and (on the rear) more understeer...
In turn, that will counteract the greater front end grip from the Toyos

[fuzzy]

why not just put the same type of tyres on all 4 wheels? if youve found 1 type grips well use that all around?
if its mainly grip your after the downside is that they will wear out quicker due to being softer compound.
ive found the difference in grip offered by dunlop sp9000's to be much more confidence inspiring,especially in the wet than my old toyo t1-r's, although in 17" form. about £10 dearer each but worth it