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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:37 pm

I promised Scorpion I would do a small write up on my thoughts of the system they supplied, So here it is!

Initial thoughts

Upon unpacking the exhaust, I was pretty chuffed. The quality of the welds looked good and the system felt quite substantial.

The tail pipes were the main thing I was keen to see, They supplied the system with STW trims, but rather than the usual 1.5mm wall thickness these had 3mm walls.

This is how it looks against the Magnex system it has now replaced.

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A great improvement imo.

Parts required for fitting

I thought there was no point in fitting a new system using old nasty hardware, So a nice long list of parts was taken to my local dealership.

I purchased the following:

Downpipe gasket,
Olives for downpipe to centre section
Sliding flange,
Nuts for manifold-downipe joint
Nuts & bolts for downpipe-centre section
Downpipe bracket that bolts to gear box & all associate hardware,
Rubbers.

I was quite suprised that the system didn't come with the sliding flange for the downpipe. I guess that most people have this on their original system, but as mine had been butchered at some point by powerflow it was absent.

All those bits plus a few odds and sods for the gear linkage & a rad cap came to over £60. I have tried not to cut corners with this, I didn't want an old component causing problems on the new systems fit.

Installation

As many of you know by now, I'm no spanner monkey. So for the task of fitting the system I booked the car in with resident hero Ant @ Atech.

Old system was removed and we started to put the new one on, Almost instantly we hit a problem.

The downpipes were not the correct shape, The longer pipe was twisted and sitting very low. It looked to me that the bend was not the correct angle. Ant said he thought the pipe was approx 25mm too long.

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(Sump gasket needs doing too :o:)

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Ant heated the pipe and tweaked it back into line

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It was still not perfect but it was as good as we wished to push it. Ant told me when the rest of the system was on it should pull it into line.

Gearbox bracket bolted up, Required the pipes to be pulled across a bit but wasn't a bad fit.

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Onto the back box, This is where we had a big problem. The brackets they had sent were wrong. One required bending and the other required cutting into three bits and rewelding. Quite a large mistake for scorpion to make imo, It seems like quality checks are skipped and you end up with a bit more work than you would anticipate.

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Furthest one was the one that needed bending

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After a little modification from Ant.

Then the back box was put into position

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It sat very low and not really in the cutout in the bumper.

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After about half an hour and several adjustments, Ant (& Fowler who had turned up by then) managed to persuade the box to sit in the correct position.

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Verdict

Overall I am very happy with the exhaust, Sounds good and still needs to get some miles on it to fully settle in.

The day was slightly tainted by the need to make adjustments to the system. After all it's not a cheap Peco or anything of that nature.

I think Scorpion have a good product here but there are a few adjustments that would make it a lot better.

The problems we suffered and other observations from today.

1. Downpipe too long and wrong angle (Quality control issue, Removed from jig before it had cooled?)

2. Rear box brackets were incorrect (another qc issue? or a genuine mistake)

3. Position of the tailpipes on the rear box, It almost looks as if the box is upside down It would be a more straightforward fit with the tailpipes mounted centrally, making it easier to get the pipes central in the cutout.

I can't thank the contact at scorpion enough for his help, I am very happy with the end result. Just a couple of niggles that may be worth addressing in future. I would highly reccomend the exhaust, but it would be advisable to get it fitted by someone with prior knowledge of them as they will know the best way to sort any issues that arise.

Also I'd like to say a massive thanks to Ant & Fowler for todays efforts, they are legends and have done a fantastic job.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:45 pm

nice exhaust, nice job.

i had my own custom exhaust made by longlife in cardiff, i wish i replaced my old scorpion with a new scorpion, the quality is so much better than custom made.

what does the differance in the thickness of the wall mean Dave?
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:49 pm

fantastic write up Dave your little fingers must be hurting now
cant wait to hear it
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:50 pm

Nice dude.

Wasn't there something special about the exhaust? Or did I misread from an old thread?
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:52 pm

alex-e30 wrote:nice exhaust, nice job.

i had my own custom exhaust made by longlife in cardiff, i wish i replaced my old scorpion with a new scorpion, the quality is so much better than custom made.

what does the differance in the thickness of the wall mean Dave?
The wall thickness is purely aesthetics, It just looks a little more meaty with te 3mm trims.

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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:53 pm

i bet that cost a fair few pennies, i wouldnt be expecting all that extra work when buy so called quality products.

are they going to amend these faults.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:53 pm

d6dph wrote:
alex-e30 wrote:nice exhaust, nice job.

i had my own custom exhaust made by longlife in cardiff, i wish i replaced my old scorpion with a new scorpion, the quality is so much better than custom made.

what does the differance in the thickness of the wall mean Dave?
The wall thickness is purely aesthetics, It just looks a little more meaty with te 3mm trims.

Malc, Fingers are fine, it's the big words that have ruined me!
You going to Ace monday, If so you will hear it then mate.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:55 pm

stevotheevo wrote:i bet that cost a fair few pennies, i wouldnt be expecting all that extra work when buy so called quality products.

are they going to amend these faults.
This is why I have done a write up on the system, A bit of feedback for them.

It wasn't cheap but then what is these days?
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:56 pm

looks great now it's on the car, and i love the nice clean simple tailpipes.

however, to me, having spent all that money on a system, the fit of it would have pissed me off no end. i think i'd be refusing to fit it and ask for my money back unless they could make one that did what it was supposed to.

if a cheap pikey std replacement system can line up well with pipes and hangers, why cant several hundreds of pounds worth of supposedly high quality aftermarket exhaust?
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:58 pm

That was my feeling early on today tbh Harry, But thanks to Ants hard graft it's good in the end.

I agree that the fit was a little disappointing initially.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:07 pm

looks good dude :thumb:
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:08 pm

stevotheevo wrote:i bet that cost a fair few pennies, i wouldnt be expecting all that extra work when buy so called quality products.

are they going to amend these faults.

Who said anything about scorpions being a quality product ! :)
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:10 pm

pacerpete wrote:
stevotheevo wrote:i bet that cost a fair few pennies, i wouldnt be expecting all that extra work when buy so called quality products.

are they going to amend these faults.

Who said anything about scorpions being a quality product ! :)
me! :)
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:24 pm

Bit dissapointing to see the manufacturing errors with your system but at least it got sorted. When i fitted my STW scopion and sebring center along with a BTB2 manifold last month, the only problem i encountered was mating the two together. Both pipes were to long and had to be shortened but this was due to them being from two different manufacturers hence forth two different construction methods.

Still not sure about the sound though! :?
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:48 pm

what about me you cheeky bugger LOL !!! soundeed sweet earlier mate
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:13 pm

why go through all that hard work and days of writing an article, just do what i did, go out and buy a car with the system already fitted :D



p.s. looks good
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:35 pm

I've had several scorpion systems complete and mated to 6 branches and OEM systems and they have always fitted like a glove. I'm very surprised at this
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

whats the old saying.

"you get what you pay for"

in this case, i think not.
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i think he got the cheap version, thats why
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:52 pm

stevotheevo wrote:whats the old saying.

"you get what you pay for"

in this case, i think not.
this is 1 person with 1 scorpion system. Do you have one? ever fitted one? Do you think every exhaust made fits perfectly?! Scorpions fit very well and this is a rare occasion where it hasn't

BTB2 manifolds make the center boxes hit/rub the carbody over bumps but no one ever seems to have ever mentioned that? Or was that 1 system that isn't quite right?! and they cost over £600
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:57 pm

Simon13 wrote:
stevotheevo wrote:whats the old saying.

"you get what you pay for"

in this case, i think not.
this is 1 person with 1 scorpion system. Do you have one? ever fitted one? Do you think every exhaust made fits perfectly?! Scorpions fit very well and this is a rare occasion where it hasn't

BTB2 manifolds make the center boxes hit/rub the carbody over bumps but no one ever seems to have ever mentioned that? Or was that 1 system that isn't quite right?! and they cost over £600
Mine has no rubbing/knocking problems with the btb2 si.
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Simon13 wrote:
stevotheevo wrote:whats the old saying.

"you get what you pay for"

in this case, i think not.
this is 1 person with 1 scorpion system. Do you have one? ever fitted one? Do you think every exhaust made fits perfectly?! Scorpions fit very well and this is a rare occasion where it hasn't

BTB2 manifolds make the center boxes hit/rub the carbody over bumps but no one ever seems to have ever mentioned that? Or was that 1 system that isn't quite right?! and they cost over £600
calm down mate, i was simply saying "in this case" he did not get what he paid for.

although im sure every other scorpion exhaust ever produced has fitted perfectly.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:12 am

my scorpion back box and centre box fitted perfectly as if they were OE
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:49 am

I'm not trying to harm scorpions name here guys, Just writing my observations from the day.

Overall I am very happy with it. IMO there are a couple of things that need to be addressed but by no means does that make it a bad exhaust. As Si said, It could well be a one off problem.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:35 am

When ant says " the rest of the system will pull it into line" ,haven,t you built alot of stress into the system? where and when will it crack or fail?
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:39 am

im looking to put a scorpion system on to my 320 1988 is there an adapter to take the two pipes at the front and make it into one so i can take the middle box out? probably a stupid question but i thought id ask anyways
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:40 pm

When I fitted my Scorpion, it fitted a treat. OK, so it was only the back box, but I'd have thought that would be where problems would kick-in.
I used a brand-new pair of silencer straps and they were spot-on.
I've spoken to Scorpion on the 'phone several times recently and they've always been very helpful.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:12 pm

The tailpipes on this beast are lovely in person!

Shame about the fitment issues 8O
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How close are you to the A12 Dan, I didn't know if you heard me scream off down there :snigger:
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:24 pm

i have a scorpion on my car and it seems to be missing the gearbox bracket the holds the exhaust. the middle exhaust joint that has the 2 olives on it allways seems to start blowing within a few days of me having it fixed. could it be to do with this missing bracket?
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The gearbox bracket is not supplied with the exhaust, I bought my new one from the dealers.

I still had the old one on the old exhaust but we decided to put the new one on anyway.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:52 pm

yep i know that mine must of not been put back on when the scorpion was fitted, might order one and see if it fixes the blowing problem as its driving me nuts.
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Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:02 pm

I would think it will help. Less distance for the exhaust to go unsupported which can only be a good thing.

I don't think it was expensive.
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d6dph wrote:How close are you to the A12 Dan, I didn't know if you heard me scream off down there :snigger:
You've discovered the loud pedal then?! :P

I can hear all.. :twisted:
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You could hear it from yours, Coooool :cool:

How did it sound :D
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