e34 3.8 M5 engine in a e30

Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:57 pm

You really need to stop posting.

WTF is your problem you got some billy you need to shift onto some one or something mate ,

seriuslly i just said that Ã‚£628 for a full set of coilovers was not bad whats the harm in that, who do you think you are telling me i need to stop posting , why do i need to stop posting ? because i'm saying a product you dont sell is good value >?

whats your problem .

Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:27 pm

Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:32 pm

that all you got to say i wonder why , afraid the truth will out hey sal ? . . . dont be scared . . .

Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:41 pm

agreen, sorry but what you are talking about? You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ? It is like compare E30 with Lada...
Jan

Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:43 pm

You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ?

exactlly its a comparison !!!<

im just saying they are another option.

Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:08 pm

Yaninnya wrote:agreen, sorry but what you are talking about? You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ? It is like compare E30 with Lada...
Jan

thats just plain badge snobbery

Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:25 pm

Karan wrote:
Yaninnya wrote:agreen, sorry but what you are talking about? You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ? It is like compare E30 with Lada...
Jan
thats just plain badge snobbery

You think so? Any guess why nobody in ERC or WRC is using GAZ and hundrets of teams where using Bilsteins? Snobbs?
Jan

Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:33 pm

agreen wrote:
You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ?

exactlly its a comparison !!!<

im just saying they are another option.

Yes, there is another option, cheaper one, but as I understand, you consider GAZ shocks as good as Bilstein.
Jan

Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:43 pm

Yaninnya wrote:
Karan wrote:
Yaninnya wrote:agreen, sorry but what you are talking about? You are comparing Bilsteins with GAZ? It is like compare E30 with Lada...
Jan
thats just plain badge snobbery
You think so? Any guess why nobody in ERC or WRC is using GAZ and hundrets of teams where using Bilsteins? Snobbs?
Jan

but are they really worth it for the price? i am genuinely just asking as i cannot comment as ive not driven both

Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:45 pm

i think as said above for te money they are really good value for money and are tried and tested on the production bmw championship cars , toyo tyres cars , and the or what was kuhmo tyres cars

i just think for the money the are good .

Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:17 pm

Everybody bangs on how good bilsteins are but 99% of you will never track the car to really see the difference or do a suspension swop at a track to test the difference in lap times, etc.

With addition to this , how many of us could consistantly lap with in a 10th of a second lap after lap to get some real data to compare to?

Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:56 pm

I know very well how good the Bilsteins are. I was ralling and racing different car for over 8 years and can say that it is very easy to see a difference. What is so good in Bilsteins that you can change the characteristic of them very accurate so they can be perfectly tune to car specification. The shock needs to be striped to do it, I know, but overall quality of Bilstein pay it back.
Jan

Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:25 pm

^^^
I'm not doubting that bilsteins are one of the best suspension manufacturers , however is there really much point in buying Ã‚£1000+ of bilstein over Ã‚£600 gaz coilovers if your not competing????

If your only 'trackdaying' and don't have a decade of race expience then i doubt a set of bilsteins over gaz will be worth it and even if you are 1/2 a second quicker with bilsteins who cares? your not competing.

Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:39 pm

oldroydsr4 wrote:^^^
I'm not doubting that bilsteins are one of the best suspension manufacturers , however is there really much point in buying Ã‚£1000+ of bilstein over Ã‚£600 gaz coilovers if your not competing????

If your only 'trackdaying' and don't have a decade of race expience then i doubt a set of bilsteins over gaz will be worth it and even if you are 1/2 a second quicker with bilsteins who cares? your not competing.

i think it will work out worth it as the billies probably will never ever start to leak

Karan

Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:22 pm

oldroydsr4 wrote:^^^
I'm not doubting that bilsteins are one of the best suspension manufacturers , however is there really much point in buying Ã‚£1000+ of bilstein over Ã‚£600 gaz coilovers if your not competing????

For street car the Bilstein shocks with lowering springs (H&R IIRC) costs around Ã‚£420 - 450.

oldroydsr4 wrote:If your only 'trackdaying' and don't have a decade of race expience then i doubt a set of bilsteins over gaz will be worth it and even if you are 1/2 a second quicker with bilsteins who cares? your not competing.

One of the best examples how good the Bilsteins can be are E38. I used to have a 740iA on standard suspension. Than I fitted the Bilstein Sprintline kit. The difference was huge. A feew months later I was driving an Alpina B12 5.7 (E38, not E31). It was on 20" Alpina wheels but the balance between comfort (which was superb) and handling (which was even more amazing for such a big and heavy car) was just unbeliveble. And it was equipped with Bilstein shocks with adjustment specially made for Alpina.

Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:24 pm

so did you drive the same car once it had been fitted with gaz coilovers ?

Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:56 pm

Bilsteins and Koni's work in a completely different way to the conventional twin tube GAZ dampers.

GAZ is basically not different from SPAX in terms of their build and internals.

For road use the GAZ are not suitable anyway being way too hard.

H&R and KW Coilovers are highly impressive. I've tried these on E30 M3's and 325i's. The combination of damping (especially the fact bump settings) and spring rates are ideal for fast road use and occassional track use.

I drove my old E30 M3 round Silverstone on H&R coilovers and I was chasing a more powerful M3 on Ledas driven by Jags from Bexley motorworks (who is quick). I had no problems keeping up round the bends. However, drive the Leda equipped car on the road and it is horrible, drive the H&R equipped car on the road and it's firm but not crashy or jittery even over rough country lanes.

If you want adjustability then KW variant 2's are much better than GAZ. KW make alot of the eibach coilovers aswell.

Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:00 pm

agreen wrote:that all you got to say i wonder why , afraid the truth will out hey sal ? . . . dont be scared . . .

yeah....real scared. People might find out that KW and H&R offerings are so much better than GAZ and don't cost much more.

If you want something that far more superior then you can have Koni race dampers (these are really track only) with proper eibach springs.

GAZ is ok stuff 'for the money' but why not save for a few more months and buy something that's better.

Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:18 pm

M5pilot wrote: ...to the conventional twin tube GAZ dampers.

I just can't belive... that anyone was trying to compare twin tube shocks (doesn't matter who made them) with mono tube Bilsteins.

And also, is it quite misleading when company called GAZ is making twin tube shocks? Looks for me very close to proper scam. Or they are making mono tube shocks as well?
Jan