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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:32 pm

the thing is mate, with a -80mm drop, even with matching shocks, its gonna be shite on the road, the only thing its good for is the track
but even then it wont be that good, one car i bought had a 60 60 drop on it and round the ring ive never driven anything so bad, the front end was like it was mounted on jelly.
But on the other hand my m3 had a massive drop on it but it had coilovers with springs that were matched to the dampers, and that was the dogs.
I suppose you get what you pay for.
If anything and you have to go 80 then do a 80 60 drop at least it wont look like the boots full of tools or the rear springs have dropped off :D
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:47 pm

I think the GAZ coilovers i have ordered for my track car lower by 100mm would not like to see it though bet it would be toooooooo low. :eek:
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:50 pm

ed325i wrote:This is zaust's old car dropped 80mm.

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thats not 80mm at all. No one who makes what you can call springs sell 80mm

Dannyboy your car must of been on 60mm cheapsh!t with standard shocks.

My touring is on 60/40 H&R springs with matching bilsteins and handles sweet, theres lots of other bits fitted also, many have done passenger laps round the ring with me last trip
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:51 pm

stevotheevo wrote:80mm drop looks cool though

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The interceptor capri that was on ebay a few months back , Seen it floating about , One of my mates was bidding on it 8O
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:53 pm

Each to there own. I found 60/60 to high and boat like on track. Also made the early shell look to high. I went for a much stiffer 80 drop and i'm almost happy. Had no prblems round the ring at all. And it has taken well to the english tracks as they tend to be very smooth. For the road it is very crashey and harsh, but thats not it's built for.


Agreen. I will get you the sping rates I want for the front.
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One of my mates was bidding on it
Did it have a fat man with his hands glued to the bonnet then ?
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:02 pm

zaust wrote:I will be changing to 100mm at the front when I find the right spring.
How do you plan on doing that then? I mean, how do you plan on taking four inches out of the ride height and have suspension travel? Do you know what suspension travel is?
This is where the damper rod sits on a standard strut. A lovely 80mm of damper travel, so it can take a decent deflection before contacting the bump stop. Lower it 60mm like on my Touring and you're on the bump stop - not good for the ride but okay on the track. At 80mm down you have nothing left. At 100 mm it is IMPOSSIBLE to go any lower. The top mount is sitting on the top of the damper and you have no suspension at all, just some useless spring sat in there rattling about, doing nothing.

So, how is that good for handling?? I'd really love to know!
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:14 pm

Lol.. Should be ok on there. Front only, No there won't be much travel at all and I know this. Unfortunatly i'm used to old shitters that sit on there belly, and thats how i'm used to driving. My bug had 2mm clearance alround and felt like it was sitting on lumps of metal. But thats how i like it..
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:18 pm

Agreen. I will get you the sping rates I want for the front.

okey dokey mate . PM me when you have them .
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:22 pm

zaust wrote:Lol.. Should be ok on there. Front only, No there won't be much travel at all and I know this
You misunderstand. There will be NO TRAVEL at all. Look at this picture:

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Tell me where you will find 100 mm ....FOUR INCHES!.... to take out of the ride height? Where??? You will be metal to metal, no travel. Every pothole will punch that top mount, stress the shell.
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:25 pm

WOW a ruler with a calculator on it . 8)
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agreen wrote:WOW a ruler with a calculator on it . 8)
or is it a calculator with a rule (ruler is someone who runs a country etc) on it
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:31 pm

TBH the car i had the 60 60 drop on i sold before i had chance to fiddle so i wouldnt know what it had fitted.
As for the m3 it had KW coilovers on with group A top mounts ,lower suspension arms, ally subframe mounts and diff mount and that altough a bit noisey handled great
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:34 pm

stevotheevo wrote:
agreen wrote:WOW a ruler with a calculator on it . 8)
or is it a calculator with a rule (ruler is someone who runs a country etc) on it
:lol: school boy error
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Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:56 pm

dannyboy759 wrote:TBH the car i had the 60 60 drop on i sold before i had chance to fiddle so i wouldnt know what it had fitted.
As for the m3 it had KW coilovers on with group A top mounts ,lower suspension arms, ally subframe mounts and diff mount and that altough a bit noisey handled great
You can't judge the springs and drops just like that, for a racecar 60 mm would be ridicilously high, now it's another thing that muppets use standard oil shock absorbers(and probably everything else that got out of the factory in the 80s) with 60mm lower springs. So the car you sold probably had only short springs and that's it. Of course it handled worse than with standard springs.
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i'm going to cut the struts off my car and weld them to the wings, then take off the rear subframe and weld it to the bootlid, then turn the car upside down, anyone know what drop this will give? gonna look badass
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a cab with 80mm drop and 16" borbet b


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Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:29 am

that cab looks like an 80mm drop

I dont know what this drop is on mine but it looks lower than zausts and I'm sure its only 60mm on the arse end with a 14" wheel on
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heres my alpina,thought it was very low when i went to see it asked the guy about it,he assured me that it was the alpina ride height,being a bmw virgin i believed him and the car was too low to get a proper look without a jack,when i stripped it i found that every spring was broken in 3 pieces,strange ? must be at least 80mm looks good but scraped on every speed bump in my street when i took it for a trial blast lol[/img]
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:46 am

Andyboy wrote:
zaust wrote:Lol.. Should be ok on there. Front only, No there won't be much travel at all and I know this
You misunderstand. There will be NO TRAVEL at all. Look at this picture:

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Tell me where you will find 100 mm ....FOUR INCHES!.... to take out of the ride height? Where??? You will be metal to metal, no travel. Every pothole will punch that top mount, stress the shell.

Had a look, and I have less travle left than that. So I can't go any more.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:07 pm

The way to get an E30 to be good on a track isn't to lower it so much. 60mm is plenty. If it still rolls (and it can't roll much - it's on the bump stops) you need some stronger anti roll bars. My Touring is down 60 on the front and the rear is lower - too low which is why it's getting raised an inch.
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:58 pm

Andyboy wrote:The way to get an E30 to be good on a track isn't to lower it so much. 60mm is plenty. If it still rolls (and it can't roll much - it's on the bump stops) you need some stronger anti roll bars. My Touring is down 60 on the front and the rear is lower - too low which is why it's getting raised an inch.
you do need some suspension travel,i had an old capri that was sitting on bumpstops had it for a few days and thought it handled alright but then it rained and i went round a roundabout a bit quickly and it span on me before i even had time to correct it,only time i have totally lost control of a car in 20 years of driving :cry:
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:08 pm

actually,i was drinking tea and squeezing out a parp (probably),mot testing is very taxing on your mental wellbeing.or i was taking the pi** out of the crapri being sandwiched by a couple of sweet e30's. :lol:
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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:35 pm

Our touring is standard height as it is a every day car,the 2.7 and the ragtop are 60 all round.And there alot of places that we cannot go in them as it rubs the bottom to bits so speed humps have to go over very slowly.60 is as low as you can go sensibly but it all depends on what you use your car for but each to their own.
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Like to see your pics of your 100mm drop when you get it done.
I saw in the pics of the green ragtop you can see where the back arches are rubbing on the tyres,on mine even when they bottom out it does not rub the tyre,got no clearance issues at all.
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So how much does mine need to be lowerd 8O

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Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:42 pm

ed325i wrote:So how much does mine need to be lowerd 8O

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Get the jack out from underneath for a start. winkeye
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:32 pm

RJB6 wrote:Our touring is standard height as it is a every day car,the 2.7 and the ragtop are 60 all round.And there alot of places that we cannot go in them as it rubs the bottom to bits so speed humps have to go over very slowly.60 is as low as you can go sensibly but it all depends on what you use your car for but each to their own.
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Like to see your pics of your 100mm drop when you get it done.
I saw in the pics of the green ragtop you can see where the back arches are rubbing on the tyres,on mine even when they bottom out it does not rub the tyre,got no clearance issues at all.
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This will be down to them being 9j wide...I've had similar problems on my bro's cab. 7J/7.5J won't produce this problem.

I'd say 60mm is low enough...unless you like shaking your car apart and scraping it everywhere you go!
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:29 pm

hammoj28 wrote:
ed325i wrote:So how much does mine need to be lowerd 8O

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Get the jack out from underneath for a start. winkeye
No jack under the car thats just how it sits.
Its the same at the back.
I will have to look out for some 60mm drop springs.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:13 pm

ed325i wrote:
hammoj28 wrote:
ed325i wrote:So how much does mine need to be lowerd 8O

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Get the jack out from underneath for a start. winkeye
No jack under the car thats just how it sits.
Its the same at the back.
I will have to look out for some 60mm drop springs.
I would say it defo needs 60mm springs. Do chromey's sit higher as stock?
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:01 pm

the rear arch is higher (closer to the glass) on a chromey but thats it. front the same.

i dont think your car is safe! :eek: get a nice 40mm and you will be laughing
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hammoj28 wrote:
ed325i wrote:
hammoj28 wrote: Get the jack out from underneath for a start. winkeye
No jack under the car thats just how it sits.
Its the same at the back.
I will have to look out for some 60mm drop springs.
I would say it defo needs 60mm springs. Do chromey's sit higher as stock?
Looks like your tyre has a lower profile than on a bbs.

my bro's cab was the same before we lowered that.

40mm or 60mm should do the trick, i'd personally recommend not going anymore than 40mm if you're going for wide wheels, but if you're sticking to 7j/7.5j then you can go 60, but it will be low!
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:00 pm

na dont do 60!

well its your choice and i have been thinking about it but......with a 40 drop on 205/55/15 (yeah your tyre wall looks like a 50 - much better IMO) i cant get a standard jack under the car and if it was any lower i would have no chance around town. but i do have a m30 in it would could explain the slightly lower stance at the front :mad:

but after that drunken rant i would like to add, the best stance i have seen is a nice 60/40. the 60 rear will never get my vote.
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