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[agreen]

you do know the ariel atom does 0 - 60 in 2.9 seconds dont you



then again what do i know i am an idiot apparentlly

[agreen]

ohh and 600bhp per tone

[mattyb240]

Agreen just because it maybe hurrendously fast doesn't mean the driver is!! Any one can own a fast car but it needs a fast driver and there hard come by lol

[march109]

got 140 on the clocks down the straight and frightened a guy in an Aerial Atom as he came out the pits on cold tyres etc but nailed him on the striaght

Nice one, but wern't they powered by the Rover K series engine?

He was probably driving round the track to pick up his headgasket from where he dropped it on the previous lap!

[agreen]

Any one can own a fast car but it needs a fast driver and there hard come by lol

yeh acctually now i think about it the guy in the atom was BLIND yes yes thats it lool

[maxfield]

how exactly would an e30, with power to weight ratio of no more than 200bhp per tonne "nail" an atom ??

[1an]

As was said above Jamie, anyone can own a fast car but if you cant get the power down then its got going to be quick, obviously if he knew how to drive the car correctly he would of left us for dead end of story but he didnt.

[Simon13]

atoms are powered by the civic type R lump in a few states of tune so 200bhp at least. The guy driving it must of been a real homo to let an E30 past!

[march109]

the 2001/2002 Atom 1 120 and Atom 120 both used the 1.8 Rover engine according to the ariel atom company website anyway. So really depends on the age.

However minimum power is 120bhp which is still minimum 200bhp per tonne in any language even if johnny vegas is driving.

[Dan318-is]

[gadjit]

Nice conversion / Install as ever by Ant "DA MAN",

Looks like you guys had a great day,
Enjoy.

What Plans are there for the suspension / Handling Mods, Brakes etc

Cool pics also.

[1an]

Gary, Suspension whise its running spax shocks and springs, but due to using an alloy block etc its alot lighter than an m20 are weighs almost the same as an m40 when fully dressed so we are going to try some m40 spax lowering springs,

it also has a full powerflex bush kit and H&R roll bars, but breaks need to be sorted asap thats forsure.

[e30m3s50b32]

Atoms are curerently 245bhp with out a supercharger, using a Honda V tec engine, 300bhp with a 'charger

To actually think any road e30 could "nail" one is an amusing thought, do you actually belive it was being driven to its potential or even at 80% of what it can do ? Maybe a 330bhp e30 M3 which is well set up could annoy an Atom, but in all honesty my money is on the Atom, 400+ bhp per tonne is not to be messed with.

If it was one with an old K series engine, 120bhp, will give it about 240bhp per tonne, i estimate that its more than this m52 powered e30 is able to do with full trim. Do we know the power of this m52 , or do we have to speculate over a secret recepie wich is no more than a mixture of block, head, crank, rods and bolts ?

Track days always end up with people getting excited about their car, which is understandable but when S50 conversions are old news, i for one am not getting very excited about an m52 conversion or its performance. Yes they make a nice neat conversion with usable power but its not going to get mosts people pulse racing.

Dont want to come across as being hrash, i dont mean to i am just speaking my mind here and expressing my thoughts.

[e30m3s50b32]

1an , are you still going to buld the m20 you were speaking about before ?? Any thoughts in what direction you will go with it ?

[gadjit]

Gary, Suspension whise its running spax shocks and springs, but due to using an alloy block etc its alot lighter than an m20 are weighs almost the same as an m40 when fully dressed so we are going to try some m40 spax lowering springs,

it also has a full powerflex bush kit and H&R roll bars, but breaks need to be sorted asap thats forsure.

You boys were certainly taking here for a proper trial then dude,
i bet the tyres were squeeling like a banshee.

believe me when i say that there are a enormous number of people with very quick cars, whether they be toys or there dream cars that will not push there cars to its true potential or limit, for fear of there driving ability, and of binning there motor, i know this from experiance of a few of my freinds, well done for showing the driver of the Atom that corners can be taken at speed and engines are there to be thrashed and tested.

Keep us posted.

Gary

[gadjit]

Do we know the power of this m52 , or do we have to speculate over a secret recepie wich is no more than a mixture of block, head, crank, rods and bolts ?

Hi Dude

Knowing personally, what Ant is capable of doing with his secret recipy is only found in the proof of eating the pudding. or in this case and mine personally, the Final product of your hard earned.

Know one can say on here, hand on heart, can say that this car did not do
an Atom.
The Atom in question would most certainly kick 10 barrels out of this and my car, but it also has to be said that maybe, and probably, the driver of the Atom was a pure and simple Dickweed.
Case scenario is that on this occasion, all being true, this is what happened,
What a great knotch to put onto your steering wheel, and a great experiance to boot.
The Problem is that if the guy in the Atom Bins his car to prove a point to kick an old E30's ass, How much would it cost him,,, !
Bin an E30, Albeit a sorted one, How much is it gonna cost you.
Beleive me it is all relative.

Just for the record there is actually a secret recipy. but i have been sworn to secrecy, otherwise Ant will send the boys Round,,, LOL

[mikekean]

so how much power is this likely to put out? would it not of been just as easy to put and s50 in with more power.

[Ant]

S50 would of course yeild more power, but the £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£ allotted did not allow for such a conversion dude

the car has M52B23 alloy block with M52B28 crank/rods combo in there, M50 non vanos head and cams( clocked), upped CR and 6 branch, no real secret just another BMW parts hybrid all fully rebuilt with all new OE parts

Goes well, outright HP will be enough, I never claim more than that.

[1an]

Gary, Suspension whise its running spax shocks and springs, but due to using an alloy block etc its alot lighter than an m20 are weighs almost the same as an m40 when fully dressed so we are going to try some m40 spax lowering springs,

it also has a full powerflex bush kit and H&R roll bars, but breaks need to be sorted asap thats forsure.

You boys were certainly taking here for a proper trial then dude,
i bet the tyres were squeeling like a banshee.

believe me when i say that there are a enormous number of people with very quick cars, whether they be toys or there dream cars that will not push there cars to its true potential or limit, for fear of there driving ability, and of binning there motor, i know this from experiance of a few of my freinds, well done for showing the driver of the Atom that corners can be taken at speed and engines are there to be thrashed and tested.

Keep us posted.

Gary

it did get driven as it should of been drivern, pretty hard which in my opinion this is whatthe car was built for no other reason and to have a good time.

Gary hope to see you at sometime as would really like a passenger ride in your car

[12345kevin]

Cheers Gary, yep tyres were definetly complaining Another thing on the list of improvements.

At the end of the day guys, the car did what it did on the day, whether the other cars were trying or not i don't really care ! We had a great time.

I gave Ant a budget & brief to achieve what I wanted which in the first instance was to be quicker than an E30 M3 in a straight line, this we achieved.

For the money i've spent on engine & car I could have bought and average M3 which undoubtedly needed work !!

And yes if I really wanted to I could go out and buy an E36/E46 M3 or maybe an Audi RS4/6 or even an Atom ! It's not about the money or the car, i've done all bar the engine work myself on this car which I enjoy and was the reason for buying it. The only reason for not doing the engine myself was I wanted the car ready for this year and didn't have the time.

For the same money I now have a tidy car with fully rebuilt engine, suspsension, brakes etc Its not my daily driver, but it does need to be reliable and "competitive" on track days, none of us like being constantly overtaken !! And yes it gets pushed very hard on the trackdays, no point going there for a Sunday drive !

The car wil be improved over time with the right components, it'll never be an out & out track car as I enjoy driving it on the roads to meets etc

[mikekean]

so is it a custom manifold or an off the shelf item?

does look the business though. wouldn't mind a conversion like that.

[ste]

M20 BA

[ste]

Cold tyres won't make the slightest difference on road tyres...

Utter nonsense.

[oakey]

M20 BA

Brilliant Auto-engineering?

[oldroydsr4]

If you are having understeer problems you should be softening the front roll bars and hardening the rear, same goes for the suspension.

Just a note only change one seting per test so a you can highlight the difference.

[riklusby]

Wow interesting thread this one, it went from E30 to arial atom to E30 in 2 pages, Nice engine bay btw and good to see someone having fun

[12345kevin]

so is it a custom manifold or an off the shelf item?

does look the business though. wouldn't mind a conversion like that.

I believe its "off the shelf" from Fritz Bitz although in reality they are probably made to order.

[12345kevin]

M20 BA

Brilliant Auto-engineering?

Now installed in 1an's Calypso 316i, and it starts

[mikekean]

so is it a custom manifold or an off the shelf item?

does look the business though. wouldn't mind a conversion like that.

I believe its "off the shelf" from Fritz Bitz although in reality they are probably made to order.

any idea on how much it costs?

[12345kevin]

Sorry, Ant got mine, give him or Fritz Bitz a ring.

[mikekean]

ok will do cheers.

[jaistanley]

This is pretty much the engine I was intending to build before I got all stupid and got hold of an S50B32...

Looks like a really nice car. Time to get that suspension done dude! Have you thought about using E30M3 and ZM parts?

I ask because it'd allow you a brake upgrade and places the arb links on the strut housing, more effective. My project car will have ZM rear trailing arms (312mm vented brakes), E30 M3 front struts, E36 offset wheels, E36 M3 front brakes (requiring spacers behind the disks to fit the E30 M3 hubs). Might be a better place to start for a car like yours?

When I swapped to the E30 M3 stuff thats on my car at the moment (swap was performed when the car was still a 318is) I was seriously impressed. It was a much more neutral feel, with a lot more grip and a huge improvement in the directionality of the steering. The upgrade to 280mm disks all round was a welcome bonus too.. Combined with H&R springs, poly bushes and the Bilstein dampers it was a FANTASTIC car to drive. Inspired so much confidence. It was justa way too underpowered. Poor little 1.8. I doubt yours will have that problem!

Anyways: Looking good dude.

PS: Notice I tactically didn't comment about how you nailed an atom. I 'nailed' a guy in a Lan Evo on the way home the other night. Somehow I don't think he was gunning it!

[Jhonno]

so why didnt it go to Hayward and Scott for one of their magical manifolds you're always loving up 1an?

[12345kevin]

so why didnt it go to Hayward and Scott for one of their magical manifolds you're always loving up 1an?

Simple reason, it's not 1ans car ! As said I left it in Ants capable hands with a budget to achieve what I wanted. This he did as said above.

[Dan318-is]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=17680

Hm, e30m52 or one of these? Not quite sure!!