m3's on a false pedastal?

[treeseries]

on a like for like sized car id put my money on both a scooby wrx and an evo whipping the m3 on whatever surface you choose.

Thing is they're 4WD turbo cars.

M3 is RWD and N/A.

Not really a fair comparison IMO.

Although my Dad's never had troubles with either. Even when the M3 was standard.

i know what maxfields saying really you cant compare £4000 worth of scooby to £10000 worth of m3 oh wait? its cheaper and better. isnt that what this is all about why spend £10k on a car that can be beaten by cars half the price

[SidewaysScouser]

Faster does not equal better.....

[bss325i]

....isnt that what this is all about why spend £10k on a car that can be beaten by cars half the price

Errr... because if its what you want the that is what you have to pay. It all depends on what you want from you car, people pay the price because of what it is, an E30 M3! Obviously there are cars out there that are faster, handle better etc but peple may not want them because its not what they like. What about vintage cars that are worth a fortune but could probably be beat by a moped! They are bought for what they are, not what they can do. The fact that the E30 M3 is also a fantasic performance car does help though!

[fuzzy]

on a like for like sized car id put my money on both a scooby wrx and an evo whipping the m3 on whatever surface you choose.

Thing is they're 4WD turbo cars.

M3 is RWD and N/A.

Not really a fair comparison IMO.

Although my Dad's never had troubles with either. Even when the M3 was standard.

i know what maxfields saying really you cant compare £4000 worth of scooby to £10000 worth of m3 oh wait? its cheaper and better. isnt that what this is all about why spend £10k on a car that can be beaten by cars half the price

no thats not what its about .cost isnt the issue in this topic as far as im concerned its about like for like, similar costing,£10000 evo gainst a £10000 m3.its about the better performing car ,handling and performance ,and in my opinion a like for like evo will out perform an m3 on any surface you care to choose.
thats why i wouldnt buy an m3 because when comparing like for like the performance of the m3 doesnt really cut it for me as i do prefer speed and power over iconic status.you can get more for your money buying jap although i wouldnt buy a scooby either as they are 10 a penny.

[playo]

And on........and on.........and on.....................

[fuzzy]

And on........and on.........and on.....................

yes indeed but thats the point in a discussion forum.

[maxfield]

I've seen an Evo struggle to keep up with an M3. Also an M3 have no troubles with a Subaru.

The M3 was standard then too..

[UweM3]

when you are over at the Nuerburgring next time, just fetch a passenger lap in an M3. End of discussion...

BUT you will never really experience what the M3 is about from the passenger set. You get away with things in the M3 (drivingwise) many other cars don't tolerate. It's the whole package, it never scares you or acts unpredictable.
Little bit overdriven? Never mind, the M3 gives you a chance to correct your actions and responses to your inputs without catapulting you in the next ditch. Drive the Ring with a "hot" turbo car when you are not so familiar with the track. No problem for the M3.

And for all out there moaning about the (current) high prices for M3's, just go and buy a better and cheaper car if you think the M3 isn't worth it.

Just one last thing, if you start a poll asking people if the regret selling a car I bet former M3 drivers will on top by a country mile. So why is that then?

I don't care about straight line performance, Ford K's, overblown undrivable turbo straightline monsters,4WD or whatever. I just like the M3 and I am happy that I managed to own one. (for 8 years now, never owned a car that long)

[Bob_S]

I was chasing scoobies round the ring and for a fact there was plenty left in the car!

end of the day you buy an e30 M3 for what it is and how it does it, I potter about in my 327 and nail the living shit out of it.. then I get in the M3.. I feel so much more satisfied sitting behind the wheel knowing that despite being 20 yr old it can still hang in there with the best of them..

tree series.. I think your best off over at scoobyowners.co.uk are you not?

[Karan]

pah... light and turbo is where its at

m3 is a great balanced car which is very forgiving for sure, however in standard form in todays world it does lack pace both in a straight line and mid corner from what i have seen on track

[Mox3d]

The original M3's essence was in it's modest power output (which you could invariably use fully) coupled to a supple chassis. They were never really overpowered and do offer a rewardng drive. Few cars from that era could offered anything like the same fine balance.

[hartgefan]

is there a bit of m3 envy going on here,ive noticed it before.it would be interesting to find out how many of the zoners that are arguing against the m3 have owned one? few if any i bet

[fuzzy]

is there a bit of m3 envy going on here,ive noticed it before.it would be interesting to find out how many of the zoners that are arguing against the m3 have owned one? few if any i bet

i havent and stated that i wouldnt purely because i prefer outright performance/handling to iconic status cruising. theres no envy from my side.

[UweM3]

pah... light and turbo is where its at

m3 is a great balanced car which is very forgiving for sure, however in standard form in todays world it does lack pace both in a straight line and mid corner from what i have seen on track

that's the point. It's a TWENTY year old car. Next time when you are at the Ring count the numbers of E30 M3's on a weekend and compare with numbers of other "affordable" performance cars.

[Colonel Sanders]

i like the look of the m3 BUT i dont like the engine. its 2 cylinders short.....

[hartgefan]

an e3o enthusiast who wouldnt want a m3?

[maxfield]

i like the look of the m3 BUT i dont like the engine. its 2 cylinders short.....

It more than makes up for it in many ways.

[Colonel Sanders]

dont get me wrong i would love an m3, in fact im lookin for a clean shell. but if i did get one the first thing i would do is take the s14 out an dump it.
and replace it with an s50b30 turbo.

[UweM3]

i like the look of the m3 BUT i dont like the engine. its 2 cylinders short.....

no, your low revving boat anchor is 3 cylinders to long

don't get me wrong, the BMW 6 cylinder is a very sweet engine, my daily driver is a 528 tourer and I love how smooth the engine runs.

But you can't beat a screaming S14 with 8k revs and a carbon airbox
(besides that the 4 cylinder offers far better weight distribution and this is what relly counts)

[fuzzy]

an e3o enthusiast who wouldnt want a m3?

thats not so unusual. not everyone is blinded by a single manufacturers badge.

[fuzzy]

dont get me wrong i would love an m3, in fact im lookin for a clean shell. but if i did get one the first thing i would do is take the s14 out an dump it.
and replace it with an s50b30 turbo.

thats exactly what i would do although i would use a different type of engine obviously

[harry_p]

indeed, everyone with an ounce of car geekyness is impressed with how far back in the engine bay the s14 is, and how it's canted over to lower it's COG and make room for a decent inlet path.

it's all in the details.

things like the reprofiled rear roof section and raised lightweight bootlid. things it's unlikely you would actually notice on their own, but were obviously worth doing as theyre not really things you'd change just for the fun of it.

all things that add up. the beauty is in the details

[Colonel Sanders]

low reving? 9000rpm low enough? out of an m20...
im just for all out power with a big turbo, s14 is a lovely motor i dont doubt it, but its just not for me...

[UweM3]

low reving? 9000rpm low enough? out of an m20...
im just for all out power with a big turbo, s14 is a lovely motor i dont doubt it, but its just not for me...

each to their own, would be boring if we all do the same

[Colonel Sanders]

too true mate, thats why i love this forum, there is so many different hybrids out there, many of them very very nice!

[hartgefan]

oh your right fuzzy,when i got into bmw's it was a touring that i really wanted!why dont you guys just buy a skyline and tune it to 500bhp,job done,no you love how your e30 feels and the m3 was the best, evo mag just voted it best m car ever,nuff said

[fuzzy]

if i had wanted an m3 i would have bought one but its not very practical for the day to day carrying of heavy tools to work. a rwd estate to convert to cosworth power was all i was looking for and it fitted the bill. there is nothing earth shatteringly special about e30's in general for me its just adequate for my purpose.its a solid nice looking car, end off . i dont buy performance cars i buy unusual cars as bases for my cosworth conversion projects and like to tinker about with them generally.
evo mag? who ?

[UweM3]

too true mate, thats why i love this forum, there is so many different hybrids out there, many of them very very nice!

but if you need to see how it really has to be done you are very welcome to have a passenger lap with me round the Ring (I am not giving uo that easy )

[hartgefan]

ok fuzz we're never going to agree on this one,but if i ever find out you have bought one i'll be round to give you grief mate

[Colonel Sanders]

too true mate, thats why i love this forum, there is so many different hybrids out there, many of them very very nice!

but if you need to see how it really has to be done you are very welcome to have a passenger lap with me round the Ring (I am not giving uo that easy )

oh for sure mate, i would love to!
and when my engine is finished il take to out in mine....

[fuzzy]

ok fuzz we're never going to agree on this one,but if i ever find out you have bought one i'll be round to give you grief mate

i can seriously say that unless i end up rich and have several cars as playthings there will be no chance of me ever owning an e30 m3. if i was going down that sort of route for an everyday car id be looking at an e34 or e39 m5 barge.i like the look of the boxy arched m3 and would like to have the same sort of look for my touring but with thew advantage of more power........
im sure if id bought an m3 and put a cossie engine in that the purists would have lynched me from the nearest lamp post

[maxfield]

im sure if id bought an m3 and put a cossie engine in that the purists would have lynched me from the nearest lamp post

I would be first in line

[Demlotcrew]

Whats so special about the cossie lump? Take the turbo off and its your run of the mill four pot as fitted to most mondeos!

Ive seen ford engines close up (ive just cleaned one for a mate in my parts washer) and they are rubbish, mass produced junk. I would say they sit on par with a M42, infact i think it would be better to turbo one of those in a E30 than a cossie lump.

Now put a turbo on a S14

[Rosc0PColtrane]

Cosworth is proven with an age old tried and tested avenue for tuning. Plenty of support and experience to learn from.

[Rich_W]

Whats so special about the cossie lump? Take the turbo off and its your run of the mill four pot as fitted to most mondeos!

Ive seen ford engines close up (ive just cleaned one for a mate in my parts washer) and they are rubbish, mass produced junk. I would say they sit on par with a M42, infact i think it would be better to turbo one of those in a E30 than a cossie lump.

Now put a turbo on a S14

I'm going to have to start making a thread with all the ignorant things you spout here or on other sites.

May run to 20 pages!