Be sensible here, If you were paying the bills which head would you use?! No brainer imo, i love the fact we all care so much on the issue!
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Just to put minds at rest RE fake/replica head call it what you will. Its off a car that my dad bought with 4,800 miles on it
the engine failed with nikasil issues on about 60k. The guides won't be shagged, the seats aren't either. Its not cracked.
Be sensible here, If you were paying the bills which head would you use?! No brainer imo, i love the fact we all care so much on the issue!
Be sensible here, If you were paying the bills which head would you use?! No brainer imo, i love the fact we all care so much on the issue!
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Why ring the head at all? I really dont see the point, its just gay and makes it look like your trying to con something IMO.
I think you should get mr screech to do a flow test to prove its worth, and all the doubters
He could even help it along if it needs it
I think you should get mr screech to do a flow test to prove its worth, and all the doubters
He could even help it along if it needs it
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Simon,
Have not read the whole thread but I get the gist of it..
If I ws you I would do exactly the same thing mate, modify another head to the originals spec document the work your doing on the replacement head and keep the original head on the shelf to prove the cars worth.
Why would you risk a welded repaired head on the motor when you could have a perfect modified head?
Makes no sense to me and to be honest wouldnt make a difference to the value of the car at all. Just my opinion of course.
Have not read the whole thread but I get the gist of it..
If I ws you I would do exactly the same thing mate, modify another head to the originals spec document the work your doing on the replacement head and keep the original head on the shelf to prove the cars worth.
Why would you risk a welded repaired head on the motor when you could have a perfect modified head?
Makes no sense to me and to be honest wouldnt make a difference to the value of the car at all. Just my opinion of course.
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I made it 7-8 days ago. Spending a can of beans on the replacement head is a waste of time, for now. It needs to be put on the road with stock head and Alpina camshafts, run for a few thousand miles and take the Alpina head up to Corrys to see if it can be properly repaired. That's if Si can actually be arsed once it's up and running. Let's face it, even with the stock head it's still going to be 240-250 bhp and pretty quick.bss325i wrote:This is the point i have been trying to make all along.Andyboy wrote:With the miles the car has done, genuine - v - replica head = who gives a toss? Yes it's rare, but it's not particularly valuable.
As a nice daily tram, £500 is better spent on petrol and tax discs.
Stamping the replacement head is a waste of time - how exactly can you see the head number when it's on the car? Even if you could, it's a bit 'wrong'.
This car could be running sweetly by the weekend...........
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Andy. Thats a silly statement mate. We're ALL f*cking wronguns on here!!Andyboy wrote: Stamping the replacement head is a waste of time - how exactly can you see the head number when it's on the car? Even if you could, it's a bit 'wrong'.
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Right wankstas Major progress has been made. I also have a head back to use, but its now with my dad who will be giving it a flash up first.
Whilst waiting for a head to return i've tried to get other jobs done


Like refitting the front end with the replacement A/C lines condensor and dryer and the fan. Then all the trim and front spoiler could go back on

So it looks like a car going on the road not a scrapper much to the joy of my neighbours i expect. I've also fixed the bonnet as the catch mechanisms and cable needed some TLC to get it all moving free again. One of the bonnet shocks was bent. So i've sorted all that and now you can open shut the bonnet. Makes a difference! And the bonnet shuts too.

Swapped in this headlamp as it doesn't mist up anywhere near like the one on it

fixed this earth for the coil leads. I've bought 2 new earth straps for the other coils - one was missing and i lost the other!


tinkered these studs up, BMW was £1.90 a stud! fook that. Run a tap through

new seal and chain


The chain didn't come linked so a father with a life time of bikes soon sorted that for me. You can see which one the linked one is. Its been peened!


Cleaned up the front, new guides and chain on

Cover with gaskets, one was a bit bent just to make a fairly easy job a bloody pain

All on and torqued up, i even did the crank bolt. The Bentley manual states these need to be replaced like a stretch bolt?! 320Nm is the setting. I've never heard of it before?! I'll change it if i need to?!?!?


New pump belts all that shizzle back on

Some new seals for the vanos

I thought i'd clean the piston tops, i only needed to do 5! No. 4 was done for me. ho ho ho
So that left me at a stage where i'm ready to do the rest.

Heres the boot which is nice

Now Trade friendly, the beige trim can be kept nice in the shed. The cream floor mats will be getting this treatment also

This still tickles me, this car was over £40,000 new and the barstards give you this as a spare and.............

Tosh this 10p sticker on!

This bit off totally f**ked wood trim is a megre £600 new, hence the black replacement

Looks ok to me


You wouldn't even know unless i told you! Looks easy here. Whoever desgined the centre consols and arm rest assenbly on an E36 needs shooting. What a load of sh!t and bloody awkard
Next project was retro fitting my PDC from the departed 328 to this. Not that i need them but just helps the mega spec and well why not

Nothing exciting on the rear just some hole saw action on the bumper and 1 through the rear panel. ECU sits behind the passenger wheel tub

Seat out and carpet up to lay it all along

Then connect the wires to the right colours bascially. I don't know why E36's are like this but it kind of makes it easy. But...........

This is what intially greats you

On this poxy car being facelift or whatever the reverse wires where under the steering coloumn. So i had to extent one wire over. Then i couldn't work out where to get power. Wiring diagrams say green/black. match the colours like the rest of the loom. Is there any green/black on this car? Is there fook! So i had to power the car up and get the volt meter out to find a source. These Red ones did the trick. I hope its ok. So they seem to all work fine which is nice

2003 dated hedgehog. I changed it while i was there as i bought a new one from BMW not long ago for the 328i at considerable cost. The one before that was from ECP and didn't last 18months. Mirco filter whilst i was there also

What are these for? Theres ICE everywhere on this car. Some huge 640watt amp in the side pocket in the boot. All new speak wires.


Here you go Kos. not one but 2 alpina systems! Well they're quite different?!
Well i've done some looking on the alpina ETK i have and the system closest to the car is the 3.2 system which i took off the green car.
The other one is for the 2.8 and 3.0 B3's. I thought the systems were all the same for 2.8 3.0 and 3.2s but i'm wrong.

Back boxes look similar

small X pipe here on the 3.2 system


The front halfs are totally different. Look at the bore size of the 3.2 system Its mega! And no funky X pipe like the 3.0 system
So there you have it. Time and weather permitting i'd like to think we shall have it running good or bad by the weekend!
Whilst waiting for a head to return i've tried to get other jobs done


Like refitting the front end with the replacement A/C lines condensor and dryer and the fan. Then all the trim and front spoiler could go back on

So it looks like a car going on the road not a scrapper much to the joy of my neighbours i expect. I've also fixed the bonnet as the catch mechanisms and cable needed some TLC to get it all moving free again. One of the bonnet shocks was bent. So i've sorted all that and now you can open shut the bonnet. Makes a difference! And the bonnet shuts too.

Swapped in this headlamp as it doesn't mist up anywhere near like the one on it

fixed this earth for the coil leads. I've bought 2 new earth straps for the other coils - one was missing and i lost the other!


tinkered these studs up, BMW was £1.90 a stud! fook that. Run a tap through

new seal and chain


The chain didn't come linked so a father with a life time of bikes soon sorted that for me. You can see which one the linked one is. Its been peened!


Cleaned up the front, new guides and chain on

Cover with gaskets, one was a bit bent just to make a fairly easy job a bloody pain

All on and torqued up, i even did the crank bolt. The Bentley manual states these need to be replaced like a stretch bolt?! 320Nm is the setting. I've never heard of it before?! I'll change it if i need to?!?!?


New pump belts all that shizzle back on

Some new seals for the vanos

I thought i'd clean the piston tops, i only needed to do 5! No. 4 was done for me. ho ho ho
So that left me at a stage where i'm ready to do the rest.

Heres the boot which is nice

Now Trade friendly, the beige trim can be kept nice in the shed. The cream floor mats will be getting this treatment also

This still tickles me, this car was over £40,000 new and the barstards give you this as a spare and.............

Tosh this 10p sticker on!

This bit off totally f**ked wood trim is a megre £600 new, hence the black replacement

Looks ok to me


You wouldn't even know unless i told you! Looks easy here. Whoever desgined the centre consols and arm rest assenbly on an E36 needs shooting. What a load of sh!t and bloody awkard
Next project was retro fitting my PDC from the departed 328 to this. Not that i need them but just helps the mega spec and well why not

Nothing exciting on the rear just some hole saw action on the bumper and 1 through the rear panel. ECU sits behind the passenger wheel tub

Seat out and carpet up to lay it all along

Then connect the wires to the right colours bascially. I don't know why E36's are like this but it kind of makes it easy. But...........

This is what intially greats you

On this poxy car being facelift or whatever the reverse wires where under the steering coloumn. So i had to extent one wire over. Then i couldn't work out where to get power. Wiring diagrams say green/black. match the colours like the rest of the loom. Is there any green/black on this car? Is there fook! So i had to power the car up and get the volt meter out to find a source. These Red ones did the trick. I hope its ok. So they seem to all work fine which is nice

2003 dated hedgehog. I changed it while i was there as i bought a new one from BMW not long ago for the 328i at considerable cost. The one before that was from ECP and didn't last 18months. Mirco filter whilst i was there also

What are these for? Theres ICE everywhere on this car. Some huge 640watt amp in the side pocket in the boot. All new speak wires.


Here you go Kos. not one but 2 alpina systems! Well they're quite different?!
Well i've done some looking on the alpina ETK i have and the system closest to the car is the 3.2 system which i took off the green car.
The other one is for the 2.8 and 3.0 B3's. I thought the systems were all the same for 2.8 3.0 and 3.2s but i'm wrong.

Back boxes look similar

small X pipe here on the 3.2 system


The front halfs are totally different. Look at the bore size of the 3.2 system Its mega! And no funky X pipe like the 3.0 system
So there you have it. Time and weather permitting i'd like to think we shall have it running good or bad by the weekend!
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Those Kenwood "ICE" things are cross overs for component speakers.
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Was looking forward to an update on this.
Surely the 2.8/3.0 system is a bit restrictive going into one just after the manifold then back to twin just before the cats.
Surely the 2.8/3.0 system is a bit restrictive going into one just after the manifold then back to twin just before the cats.
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cheers si !
if you want to sell the 2.8 / 3.0 system let me know
i dont think so, it is basically an X pipe ( some will call it a Y pipe) which should according to some people be in the hottest place in the system
the location its in there will give more torque allegedly
i have a stock manifold and centre section on the 2.8 compact with a custom rear which goes into a twin 2" in and single 2.5 " out ( i wanted a stock/stealth look )
i have got a magnaflow box to put to use when i make up a centre section. its got a built in X pipe and by the looks of it i'll end up the X exactly where it is on the 3.2 alpina system
si
looking at the BMW etk, the 2.8 and 3.0 system you had fitted to your silver turd was based on a 325i M50 exhuast but the 3.2's system is based on a 328i m52s system
325i m50

328i m52

what i want to know is if the X/H pipe in the 2.8 system actually functional or a structural
if you want to sell the 2.8 / 3.0 system let me know
leeparkes wrote:Was looking forward to an update on this.![]()
Surely the 2.8/3.0 system is a bit restrictive going into one just after the manifold then back to twin just before the cats.
i dont think so, it is basically an X pipe ( some will call it a Y pipe) which should according to some people be in the hottest place in the system
the location its in there will give more torque allegedly
i have a stock manifold and centre section on the 2.8 compact with a custom rear which goes into a twin 2" in and single 2.5 " out ( i wanted a stock/stealth look )
i have got a magnaflow box to put to use when i make up a centre section. its got a built in X pipe and by the looks of it i'll end up the X exactly where it is on the 3.2 alpina system
si
looking at the BMW etk, the 2.8 and 3.0 system you had fitted to your silver turd was based on a 325i M50 exhuast but the 3.2's system is based on a 328i m52s system
325i m50

328i m52

what i want to know is if the X/H pipe in the 2.8 system actually functional or a structural
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id say functional but more to balance the tail tip outputs than really do much to improve torque/hp.
those kind of 90 degree pipes tend to be used more to balance pipe flow that to modify tuned lengths and its way out of the region that i would consider to be useful.
all imo and not based on much though.
those kind of 90 degree pipes tend to be used more to balance pipe flow that to modify tuned lengths and its way out of the region that i would consider to be useful.
all imo and not based on much though.
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Simon,
I wonder if any one makes the very first intermediate pieces in a larger dia?
I wonder if any one makes the very first intermediate pieces in a larger dia?
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That single pipe bit will defo restrict IMO, I think this is why the scorpion on my car split open, the 3.2 needs much more exhaust flow.
The aux belt is the wrong side of the guide roller BTW
The aux belt is the wrong side of the guide roller BTW
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Dan,
So many people get that deflection pulley wrong! Even my local dealer got it wrong on my dads 530 when he had it!
So many people get that deflection pulley wrong! Even my local dealer got it wrong on my dads 530 when he had it!
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Demlotcrew wrote:Dan,
So many people get that deflection pulley wrong! Even my local dealer got it wrong on my dads 530 when he had it!
Fitterz !
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pacerpete wrote:Fitterz !
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well i actually drew a map of it so i wouldn't get it wrong. Good old munich legends then eh?!
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pacerpete wrote:Demlotcrew wrote:Dan,
So many people get that deflection pulley wrong! Even my local dealer got it wrong on my dads 530 when he had it!
Main dealer Fitterz !
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Simon13 wrote:well i actually drew a map of it so i wouldn't get it wrong. Good old munich legends then eh?!
Lots of my customers odder cars are driving around with a belt / pulley diagram on their washer bottle
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I thought it was plain wheels on the plain side of the belt and grooved wheels on the grooved side?
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Are you suggesting that if one were to follow this rule they would not need to re draw a map?BenHar wrote:I thought it was plain wheels on the plain side of the belt and grooved wheels on the grooved side?
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No, but it would prove that it's wrong in this case.Demlotcrew wrote:Are you suggesting that if one were to follow this rule they would not need to re draw a map?BenHar wrote:I thought it was plain wheels on the plain side of the belt and grooved wheels on the grooved side?
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I was trying to be sarcastic Ben, you are spot on, thats the general rule of thumb. 
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Andyboy wrote:pacerpete wrote:Demlotcrew wrote:Dan,
So many people get that deflection pulley wrong! Even my local dealer got it wrong on my dads 530 when he had it!
Back passage fraggerz!
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We were hoping for a few tips!bss325i wrote:Andyboy wrote:pacerpete wrote:
Back passage fraggerz!
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Andy you're nasty ;)
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Be careful when removing m30 starter motors and e30 heater panels. How's that for a tip?Andyboy wrote:We were hoping for a few tips!bss325i wrote:Andyboy wrote:
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here we go...........
head has been refaced, full steam ahead!
head has been refaced, full steam ahead!
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Did the Alpina headwork get copied over in the end?
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bss325i wrote:Be careful when removing m30 starter motors and e30 heater panels. How's that for a tip?Andyboy wrote:We were hoping for a few tips!bss325i wrote:
He used the Z1 exhaust manifold removal 'persuader' and kept a fire extinguisher close by just in case !
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Fair cop for the Z1 but that mess of a dash loom was not my doing just some previous craftsmen/alarm bodgers/ICE installerspacerpete wrote:bss325i wrote:Be careful when removing m30 starter motors and e30 heater panels. How's that for a tip?Andyboy wrote: We were hoping for a few tips!
He used the Z1 exhaust manifold removal 'persuader' and kept a fire extinguisher close by just in case !![]()
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bss325i wrote:Fair cop for the Z1 but that mess of a dash loom was not my doing just some previous craftsmen/alarm bodgers/ICE installerspacerpete wrote:bss325i wrote: Be careful when removing m30 starter motors and e30 heater panels. How's that for a tip?
He used the Z1 exhaust manifold removal 'persuader' and kept a fire extinguisher close by just in case !![]()
Luckily the B10 survived its 'dashectomy' even if its alarm didn't, unlike the Kosmeister
PS Nice 'Pina Si !
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Again nasty bodgery! That needed to be removed from the B10.
The Kos meister had a nasty clifford, what did you expect?!
The Kos meister had a nasty clifford, what did you expect?!
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bss325i wrote:Again nasty bodgery! That needed to be removed from the B10.
The Kos meister had a nasty clifford, what did you expect?!
Haven't you got any barebacking to do ?
Did the valve turn up ?
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She's ill and i dont mean "sick bruv"!
Yes the valve landed today.
Yes the valve landed today.


