The member "stevetaylor" RIPPED ME OFF for 650 POU

[FMH]

Right, just got done for £190 for a set of wheels....

Not as much as E30 Sleeper but still its an amount which hurts...

I now feel even stupider as he said his paypal wasn't working hence I just did a straight bank transfer... Had it been paypal I could have opened a dispute but no joy with this - so I will contact the bank and see if there is any option open to me but as its been over a 3 weeks then I think the answer will be a big fat nothing...

I (though not long on the zone) have had the good fortune of dealing with good people in buying bits for my touring - I even went to the lengths of checking his user name and also I did take some confidence that he was logged as a trader - although I not knowing I hoped at least a trader would have to supply a verified address or something that would make fraud of this style a little harder to do...

Please understand I've had a few, am Pi**ed off and a little lacking in general human faith at the moment. This is not a dig against the Zone or probably 99% of the people on here, as I said, I have dealt with quite a few Zoners and it has all been great, the odd little thing thrown in etc - more than great I would say...

Now, we have an address, a poor bloke frauded out of £650 (E30 Sleeper, please note that we're not all like this!) and myself out of £190. I am more than happy to try and start chasing this, but I can't get there physically (no car this weekend, out of the country for the next 2 weekends...).

Does anyone have any ideas or knowledge for the best route fwd? AFAIK the police will consider this a civil case? Or should we just go straight for the jugular?

Does anyone know his 'real' name?

Cheers,

Matt

Fuk'in hell. How many more victims?

[E30Sleeper]

Why hasn't anyone pickup on this before?

[StuBeeDoo]

Personally, I think the trader status on here should be stopped. I don't recall having any dealings with the member in question here, but I know of at least one E30Zone Trader who has been at best dodgy with myself and other people. IIRC there have been problems with others as well.

The problem as I see it is that the E30Zone Trader status infers that the trader runs a bona-fide business. So here we have a situation where people can buy goodwill buy paying fees to the 'Zone.

I did take some confidence that he was logged as a trader

At least I'm not alone on that one then.

What exactly does someone have to do to obtain E30Zone Trader status? Is it just a case of handing over the fee?

[johnt0709]

Trader status is a bit misleading IMO it does seem to imply that some sort of 'verification' process has taken place.

[johnt0709]

Trader status is a bit misleading IMO it does seem to imply that some sort of 'verification' process has taken place.

[Duke137]

Anyone remember this car?

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... c&t=163533

I remember thinking at the time something wasn't right... I guess this is where the tech2 kit came from....

I can't believe people do this kind of thing and then think that if you do it to enough people you will be able to just "get away with it" So far I make it around £1000 of scammed items and thats just the ones we know about!

Feel for you guys that got robbed, I feel ripped off if I receive an item thats condition isn't as described let alone no item at all...

[Brianmoooore]

Personally, I think the trader status on here should be stopped. I don't recall having any dealings with the member in question here, but I know of at least one E30Zone Trader who has been at best dodgy with myself and other people. IIRC there have been problems with others as well.

The problem as I see it is that the E30Zone Trader status infers that the trader runs a bona-fide business. So here we have a situation where people can buy goodwill buy paying fees to the 'Zone.

I did take some confidence that he was logged as a trader

At least I'm not alone on that one then.

What exactly does someone have to do to obtain E30Zone Trader status? Is it just a case of handing over the fee?

This place costs a considerable amount of money to run, and unless you all want to start paying membership fees, the traders are where the money mainly comes from.
E30zone Trader status infers nothing more than the business or individual concerned has paid their dues, either voluntarily or by request from us, although we do our best to make sure dubious traders don't keep returning under new usernames.
The feedback forum is here for you to post up your experiences, and anyone buying from either of our ad. forums would be well advised to check out this forum first.

[jbh]

here's the number that's in this listing that ended recently

07876 028794

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0458609546

[andyp]

i agree with you trevor [ before ------ deleted it] you have given me an idea

[jonny323i]

thats the same guy i cant believe ebay is letting him have so many accounts

[jonny323i]

just found the reciept from the couriers who picked up from me
his name Alexander Dennis
Alexander & co ltd
91 glasgow road
camelon
falkirk
fk1 4jb

[FMH]

just found the reciept from the couriers who picked up from me
his name Alexander Dennis
Alexander & co ltd
91 glasgow road
camelon
falkirk
fk1 4jb

what did he buy from you?

[jbh]

just found the reciept from the couriers who picked up from me
his name Alexander Dennis
Alexander & co ltd
91 glasgow road
camelon
falkirk
fk1 4jb

this is a company address .. its Alexander Dennis which builds buses.. I've got a mate that works there so time to make a few enquiries.

http://www.alexander-dennis.com/index.php?s=1

[jonny323i]

a full wiring loom for £40 and he arranged the courier but big a fool me seeing his trader staus and some feedback allowed him to send the courier before i could confirm recieving the payment which never turned up he did keep replying to texts for a while but nothing now

[Kos]

looks like he targets members with a low post count and newer members

[bmwsport]

just found the reciept from the couriers who picked up from me
his name Alexander Dennis
Alexander & co ltd
91 glasgow road
camelon
falkirk
fk1 4jb

this is a company address .. its Alexander Dennis which builds buses.. I've got a mate that works there so time to make a few enquiries.

http://www.alexander-dennis.com/index.php?s=1

Good skills, i hope the tw@ is identified and gets what he deserves

[jon4520]

[jbh]

Good skills, i hope the tw@ is identified and gets what he deserves

It was Grantfk10 that put it together with the bus group.. Ive text my mate that works there just waiting on him getting back to me.

[FMH]

[tomski]

Looks like it is Tony as Spadge said. http://www.gumtree.com/london/28/59343228.html

[jbh]

edit

[jonny323i]

the alexander group has a depot in surrey so it looks like he has it posted to falkirk then delivered internally to surrey will be speaking to head office on monday and making them aware

[StuBeeDoo]

This place costs a considerable amount of money to run, and unless you all want to start paying membership fees, the traders are where the money mainly comes from.
E30zone Trader status infers nothing more than the business or individual concerned has paid their dues, either voluntarily or by request from us, although we do our best to make sure dubious traders don't keep returning under new usernames.
The feedback forum is here for you to post up your experiences, and anyone buying from either of our ad. forums would be well advised to check out this forum first.

Brian, I understand all that. Surely, though, there could be more than one trader status? I fully accept that the 'Zone has to get its funds from somewhere other than those of us who donate.
Example.... The likes of Chris Warburton (just one example) are well known both here and elswhere and are what I'd class as bona-fide traders. Their business is their livelyhood and they treat it and their customers with respect. These are the sort of people who rightly deserve trader status. ....Traders everyone knows we can trust.
The chancers who break a few cars now and again to make a quick buck and loiter around the wanted section PMing "I've got just what you want, send PayPal as a gift...." are not doing anyone any favours, really.
I'm sorry, but any banner that proclaims someone is a trader infers that that person is running a bona-fide business and as such will act in a professional manner and not rip people off.
There needs to be a different title for those members who habitually break cars now and again to make a few quid.

[tomski]

Looks like he's making good money out of ripping people off. http://www.greekville.co.uk/Special_M3s_for_sale.html

[jbh]

there is now the frequent fragger title I've noticed but there is the choice of which title to buy.. couldn't we make it that any one paying a subscription to break cars is classed as a frequent fragger and that traders have to supply some details before they can purchase a traders title? now I know theres already a few traders on here that don't run it as a business but there are ones that have been supplying the zone with parts for years without a problem.. to name a few..Spadge, speedtouch and a few others.. I'm not saying these ppl should supply details as there good name on here speaks for itself.. but I'm sure spadge and others would happily supply there home address extra to the team to be verified.. at least this way if theres a member looking at parts advertised by a trader we can easily say verified trader as they have had there details checked.. its to easy for a newbie to come on and buy a trader subscription even before they post..

[jonny323i]

so according to that his name is tony

[jbh]

so according to that his name is tony

yip Tony Doe

[DHFiS]

so according to that his name is tony

yip Tony Doe

Is this the guy who threatened to sue the zone a year ago?

[jbh]

so according to that his name is tony

yip Tony Doe

Is this the guy who threatened to sue the zone a year ago?

yip.. hes at it again with a new alias or more...

[gooner1]

yip Tony Doe

Is this the guy who threatened to sue the zone a year ago?

yip.. hes at it again with a new alias or more...

Which is also another good reason for stopping First Posters/Newbies from selling stuff.
Unless they can supply a verified home adress.

[jonny323i]

so if he tried to sue the zone a year back does that mean someone has his address

[jbh]

check this thread.. his address is written also theres a link to another thread where theres another address

[StuBeeDoo]

OK, how about this for a suggestion.....
Zone Trader needs to supply the Admins with full business address and landline number.
Frequent Fragger (I like that!!) to supply full home address and home landline number.
In both cases the Admins would keep the details on a thread in the Mods area and only give them out when they are sure there is a genuine grievance.

Alternately, how about making it a rule that all For Sales have to include a landline number? If you're genuine, you don't mind giving out your number, do you?

[jbh]

OK, how about this for a suggestion.....
Zone Trader needs to supply the Admins with full business address and landline number.
Frequent Fragger (I like that!!) to supply full home address and home landline number.
In both cases the Admins would keep the details on a thread in the Mods area and only give them out when they are sure there is a genuine grievance.

Alternately, how about making it a rule that all For Sales have to include a landline number? If you're genuine, you don't mind giving out your number, do you?

Stuart the address would need to be verified by some means.. they could be given any address.. what if there was a form to be filled out to get verified and this was to be sent out to the address given then would need to be filled in and sent back?? or even a letter with a code on it that would then need to be given to the team member that is dealing with it so they would then know that this person has given a true address..

yes there would be a cost of sending out this through the royal mail but this cost could be taken from the trader's fees

[jonny323i]

a landline number should be required for definate as its alot harder to keep changing those unlike a payg mobile