Injectors ?

[mattG]

hi all got my first part off Ant last week the BBR manifold for my turbo setup & a ride in his motor , hours of advice,average cup of tea, MS looks the CAT'S, top man cheers for that.
Tryed to get him to fit his Holset this week, only so i could hve his turbo & down pipes
Anyway to cut costs for now am going to use M30 injectors are 3.0 & 3.5 injectors the same,does any one know the part no?

[e30_Turbo]

hi all got my first part off Ant last week the BBR manifold for my turbo setup & a ride in his motor , hours of advice,average cup of tea, MS looks the CAT'S, top man cheers for that.
Tryed to get him to fit his Holset this week, only so i could hve his turbo & down pipes
Anyway to cut costs for now am going to use M30 injectors are 3.0 & 3.5 injectors the same,does any one know the part no?

Are you going MS straight away? If so don't bother, get atleast 42lb/hr, speak to Alex and Toby about how frustrating it can be too have maxxed out your injectors.

And I know for sure Ant's setup will swallow 1 bar with ease so you're gonna need big ones

It's a vital part of the process, worth the investment IMO.

Hopefully soon you'll be a boost junky like the rest of us nutters

[JAMZ]

im running the 3.5 injectors..(19lb).. tbh they run good when my car 'is' actaully running but as everyone says after about 5-6psi your starting to strangle em

BUT

If your not looking at the MS outlay for the time being and you can put up with 5-6psi which is enough for a while..trust me then you couold get away with em till you can afford bigger injectors and MS..the do em both together so really it depends on yer intentions..

Not sure on the injector size thought i know mine are from the 3.5 and they are 19lb

[mattG]

Want to fit MS first waiting for it to come from Ant, just need to keep cost down for now , Ant said to get Mustang lime greens may be in a couple of months , wife & baby still for sale!

[mattG]

Hi Jamz just missed your reply, think as you said 3.5 injectors for now but my intensions 900bhp would be nice settle for 400 may be 300-350 is my real target with a T3

[JAMZ]

Well firslty lets cut to the chase.. pix of wif please..no need for baby as i have one of those already..

Well with them figures and the fact that your going MS then as Fozzy says dont bother with 19lbs.. your be like a kid in the best sweetshop in town with only 10p to spend..

Yup thos mussie greens are the way forward..think there 40lbers?

Il be going MS and bigger injectors i would of thought next..gota get my setup working first though

[mattG]

are there any other choices?

[fowler]

ahhh the man who beat me to the manifold
bastard x lol
you reckon 350 on stad engine coushty mine should be well good may have some injectors coming from states iknow ant can get them safe as houses
yiou want 44lb/hr really for somereally good shit
ms is the expensive bit

cheers
ben

[mattG]

sorry about that ,
MS does seem expensive but gives a lot of control not sure if 350 is a bit optomistic, also want MS to control boost cut with a fast solinoid its ment to be a daily driver!

[e30_Turbo]

Here's a list of all the bosch injectors you may find in scrappies or from breakers http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tableifc.htm

Another handy chart:


And read this too...

http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... =injectors

HTH, Mark.

[Ant]

Hi Matt

High imp only remember, forget all the BMW v8s and e36 units wrong pintle type for the M20 runners

minimum 30#, optimum 44# overkill 60# remember though , the bigger the flow, generally the worse the low rpm running regardless of how its tuned, for this reason the 44's get my vote again.

to use the 19# you'll need an FMU, soo there's £200 of your hard earned already, money better invested in MS imho.

#= lbs/hr

@ Ben, sorry dude, I held it as long as I could buddy

[mattG]

so no point getting 19# if you have to spend £200 on a FMU, the greens were £250ish, ps. whats a FMU

[gcorky]

fmu fuel management unit,for fuel pressure control on stock management(they are used with motronic to adjust fuel pressure/rate by sensing boost,but its easier and a bit more for m.s)people use it in the hope of a cheaper setup,but in the end realise the error of there ways....lol

[gcorky]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Rac ... enameZWD1V


heres the ones ive got.

[fowler]

only joking ant not to bad i will just have to hover hoping some one runs out of money (matt)
na mate only joking hope it goes well but seriously add up the costs as it is mor than you think is it Ant ?

[mattG]

so will 19# work with MS installed as a stop gap,
Just got intercoller 740 & 2 pipes £60 deliverey tomorrow 90 day warranty fingers x

[e30_Turbo]

so will 19# work with MS installed as a stop gap

Yes but you'll have limits, which if you can show excellent self control you will be fine but it's a drug mate, once you feel it you just want MORE

[gcorky]

well i dont think m.s is expesive when you weigh everything up,got mine from Ant -cd, loom, plugs, sensors and ms built and loaded to run out of the box for a good price.(although i havnt fitted yet....lol but soon ,very soon.)

Ant is selling a tried and tested product here....

tuning is vital with f.i ,use a standalone and save on the sleepless nights.

[fowler]

yes definatly G korky you got any of those holset's laying around

[Ant]

19# work with MS installed as a stop gap

yes,, but the injector pulse width will govern the boost max level Matt

you can gain a tad more by switching from alternating or upping the squirts per cycle but neither is recommended long term.

[mattG]

From what ant showed me of the MS i have no doubt.
it's the first thing i want to fitt. ps.Ant whats the eta of my MS

[gcorky]

yes definatly G korky you got any of those holset's laying around

none at the moment,i had to wangle a new one

but ,perks of the job,hehehehehe

all in all feeds ,returns,elbow (which is useless to me)h1c, gaskets,as marks spec

700 squid.(from dealer)

[fowler]

700 squid.(from dealer)

ohh i will have to sell my butt brighton here i come he he

[Ant]

MS kits are a tad slow in the flow @ the mo... ( )

4 week lead in time to be safe, if the situation cahnges I'll let ya know Matt OK

[mattG]

how about the down pipes for your holset

[gcorky]

how about the down pipes for your holset

if you mean my elbow its cast-sort of chrome alloy cant do out with it.im gonna source new v-band rings-hopefully.

[Ant]

G, I need a V band to suit my Hx 35, then Maybe Matt can have his bits, and I can have an easy life

Hmm, I'd forgotten I had this to find

[mattG]

it was aimed at ant, if he fitts his holset there should be a down pipe & turbo taking up space in his gaf

[WillG]

£700 for a new holset?, my HX40 was £500 without an exchange £300 with, £700 for H1C seems expensive. Know nothing about petrol injectors but why you say high imp only ant, I see people using low imp with vems. Also what size v-band you need ant, i have a 3.5" spare but thats 3.5" measuring from inside of V not outside

[Ant]

if he fitts his holset there should be a down pipe & turbo taking up space in his gaf

and two rollcabs

I dare go in the shed or spare room

[gcorky]

£700 for a new holset?, my HX40 was £500 without an exchange £300 with, £700 for H1C seems expensive. Know nothing about petrol injectors but why you say high imp only ant, I see people using low imp with vems. Also what size v-band you need ant, i have a 3.5" spare but thats 3.5" measuring from inside of V not outside

will this included feeds,return,exhaust elbow turbo was 450 plus the dreaded i think.all in including vat was 700 ish.elbow was over a 100 squid but like i say it was destined for a cummins and aint no good.450 was a good price for the spec of h1c 18 cm2 housing etc.

where did you source the v-bands Will?

[WillG]

vertex or you can get em from ATP , US but you dont have to pay tax or UK handlig dees becuase they use UPS , still not perfect but they do clamp up ok. what you mean by exhaust elbow?

[Ant]

I see people using low imp with vems. Also what size v-band you need ant, i have a 3.5" spare but thats 3.5" measuring from inside of V not outside

mines a HX35- 17cm/3 so thats too big dude, but thanks for the offer, appreciated

mines 3 1/4 outside 2 1/2 ish inside( still sealed)

with regard to the High/Low Z injectors, you can use low Z with MS, as the V3 has the flyback resistors as std, high Z are more available though, and a known quantity

[WillG]

got a 2.5 spare aswell mate, ill send you pic with tape measure over it so you can see if it will fit, probly selling my 40 now and get 35, reakon its too big, maybe I should try it first tho, sry for goin OT

[RowdyBurns]

Just a quick note wih regards to injectors. I have found that the max size you can really get away with on MS is about 230cc per litre engine capacity.

Any more and the pulse widths become too low at idle and MS 0.1 ms adjustability is not enough. This maay not be a problem with MSII as you have 0.01 resolution on pulse widths.

Currently trying to tune a 450 bhp + engine with 680cc injectors and its a bitch!