H27 Sp update (with pictures)

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just waiting for the zone team to head over and break down the door before it vanishes again lol!
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Has anyone heard anymore regarding this car??
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did this turd survive? :?
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Did this thread really start 3 years ago 8O
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e30topless wrote:did this turd survive? :?
does anything slip under the radar ?
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Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:43 pm

e30topless wrote:did this turd survive? :?
feck me steve, talk about resurrecting an old thread :lol:
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:24 pm

Been trudging through the Zone for future Wiki content and found this again.

I take it that this has gone off the radar?!?! :(
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:08 pm

Kedge wrote:Been trudging through the Zone for future Wiki content and found this again.

I take it that this has gone off the radar?!?! :(
lets hope not, would be good to see this car fully restored & back to it's former glory.
if it's got t*ts or wheels it's bound to be trouble...............prove me wrong.
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steve_k wrote:
Kedge wrote:Been trudging through the Zone for future Wiki content and found this again.

I take it that this has gone off the radar?!?! :(
lets hope not, would be good to see this car fully restored & back to it's former glory.
If it ever existed.
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:01 pm

Well there is known to be a H27 SP built by Birds according the info James Bird posted while all the crap was kicking off over Ata's Hartge.

I'm just updating the Hartge Wiki page at the moment and I've added the info in a table on that page, http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/Hartge
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:53 pm

this is the H27 SP inlet Dave

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Awesome, thanks Steve. Don't think I've ever seen that pic. Would quite like some Hartge ITBs for my B28 :cool:
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:18 pm

e30topless wrote:this is the H27 SP inlet Dave

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they bolted the TB's straight onto the head? no manifold? i didn't think that was possible??

anymore info on it??
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:23 pm

I've seen many 'direct to head' type throttle body's.

Can't comment on the SP as I don't know anything apart from there like hens teeth :)
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:25 pm

Those throttles are custom cast Steve, no way to do that otherwise. (well apart from maybe moving studs about).

The set up could be replicated with stock bodies and some work but likely wouldn't be cheap.

edit to add - some heads with webber twin carb flanges will take throttles direct to head, otherwise the throttles are nearly always custom
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Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:40 pm

HairyScreech wrote:Those throttles are custom cast Steve, no way to do that otherwise. (well apart from maybe moving studs about).

The set up could be replicated with stock bodies and some work but likely wouldn't be cheap.

edit to add - some heads with webber twin carb flanges will take throttles direct to head, otherwise the throttles are nearly always custom
i know that weber(webcon) do an intake manifold for ITB's (lost the link :cry: ) but to buy that plus the generic ITB & K6 ecu from emerald would cost about £2400++ then the cost of mapping. IIRC turbo-brown on here had a link in his sig to the blueprints to make your own intake manifold.
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:17 am

what size throttles?
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:37 am

reggid wrote:what size throttles?
IIRC the emerald kit uses 45mm throttles which i would think would be too big but they do use adjustable length inlet trumpets.

here's the link

http://www.emeraldm3d.com/generic-throt ... gines.html

i only ask as i'm looking at eiher buying a ready made kit or building my own up using the diagrams/blueprint's from air-in.co.uk

what size would you say would be best??
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:03 am

What does the sp stand for? :o:
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Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:37 am

45 is too big unless you want to mount them ~300mm from the head, even 40 is a bit big for direct to head.
For a stock b28 direct to head you are looking around 38mm for an ideal so 40 would be your easiest bet.
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