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Here's how to install the Master Cylinder and servo from the mighty [[E32]] 7-series.
 
Here's how to install the Master Cylinder and servo from the mighty [[E32]] 7-series.
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=Overview=
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With the [[E34]] calipers on the front, and potentially bigger brakes on the rear as well, the standard E30 master cylinder isn't big enough to move enough fluid. To get around this, most people use the E32 750i MC but I also wanted more assistance to match. The 750i MC is also becoming increasingly expensive due to its rareity, so I'm opting to use a more mundane E32 735i MC and servo instead. This master cylinder is still 25mm, so should improve the feeling to near stock level
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=Parts=
 
=Parts=
  
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=Procedure=
 
=Procedure=
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Open the bonnet and look at the rear of the engine bay on UK nearside to see the servo setup. To gain access to it, undo the air intake boot by loosening the two jubilee clips and the ICV.
  
Open the bonnet and undo the air intake boot by loosening the two jubilee clips and the ICV
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Undo the two brake pipes coming out of the MC with your 11mm spanner. Catch any fluid in a rag or bucket as fluid will pour out the MC and pipes, and it will eat through your paintwork.
 
 
Looking at the rear of the engine bay on UK nearside to see the servo setup
 
 
 
Undo the two brake pipes coming out of the MC with your 11mm spanner. Catch any fluid in a rag or bucket as fluid will pour out the MC and pipes
 
  
 
Remove the MC from the servo by undoing the two 13mm nuts (some people may not need to remove this from servo but I found with the space left by the M20 it looked easier)
 
Remove the MC from the servo by undoing the two 13mm nuts (some people may not need to remove this from servo but I found with the space left by the M20 it looked easier)
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Inside the car slide the passenger seat all the way back or remove completely if you want even more space (4x17mm)
 
Inside the car slide the passenger seat all the way back or remove completely if you want even more space (4x17mm)
  
Remove glove box using the two screws mounted to the bulkhead. Be prepared to find signs of [[Rust]] in your bulkhead.
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Remove the glove box using the two screws mounted to the bulkhead. Be prepared to find signs of [[Rust]] in your bulkhead.
  
 
You will now see the brake clevis and mechanism to turn the movement through 90 degrees.
 
You will now see the brake clevis and mechanism to turn the movement through 90 degrees.
  
Take the pin out of the clevis by removing the clip, but keep your hand round it as it will want to fire
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off somewhere and not want to be found, the slide the pin out and keep it all safe
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Take the pin out of the clevis by removing the clip, but keep your hand round it as it will want to fire off somewhere and not want to be found. Then slide the pin out and keep it all safe.
  
Following the push rod towards the bulkhead you will see a big black plate with 4 13mm nuts
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Following the push rod towards the bulkhead you will see a big black plate with four 13mm nuts.
  
Back to engine bay side and pull servo free from bulkhead and remove from the bay
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Go back to engine bay side and pull the servo free from bulkhead and remove from the bay. Admire your gaping hole and repair any rust while this is out
  
Admire your gaping hole and repair any rust while this is out
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder003.jpg|400px]]
  
Get the E32 servo and remove the spacer as this hinders clearance with the M20 intake boot
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Get the E32 servo and remove the spacer as this hinders clearance with the M20 intake boot.
  
You’ll now see that there are only two studs to mount to the bulkhead, this is fine and it’s not exactly heavy
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You’ll now see that there are only two studs to mount to the bulkhead, this is fine and it’s not exactly heavy. These two studs don’t fit in the standard holes so you can either drill some new ones a bit further over or open up the holes already there. I chose to do the latter. Using a carbide burr I slotted the holes roughly 8mm towards the center
  
These two studs don’t fit in the standard holes so you can either drill some new ones a bit further
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder004.jpg|400px]]
  
over or open up the holes already there, I voted for the later
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Test fit regularly to make sure that everything lines up.
  
Using a carbide burr I slotted the holes roughly 8mm towards the center
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder005.jpg|400px]]
  
Test fit number one to see if it clears... IT DOES!
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With the servo test-fitted, look inside at where it bolts and you’ll see that the push rod is far too long and needs shortening a lot, and subsequent re-threading. Remove the servo again and look at the rod; its a lot fatter than the thread and will need grinding down so that the die wont get stuck and snap something.
  
Look inside at where it bolts and you’ll see that the push rod is far too long and needs shortening a
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder006.jpg|400px]]
  
lot
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30 seconds with a grinder and the shaft will be small enough to work with. Now wind on the die and spray plenty of WD40 at the teeth as you start to make the new thread:
  
Remove the servo again and look at the rod, its a lot fatter than the thread so needs grinding down
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder007.jpg|400px]]
  
so the die wont get stuck and snap something
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I won't go into technique but If you’ve never tapped anything before then you're best learning before doing this as if you get it wrong it means buying a new servo.
  
30 seconds with a grinder and the shaft was small enough to work with
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Thread it as far as you can. Hold the rod in a pair of mole grips clamped into a vice to stop the shaft spinning instead of cutting.
  
Wound on the die and sprayed loads of wd40 at the teeth as I started to make the new thread
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Once it's threaded it's time to take it back to the car to see how much it needs shortening. Test fit it, compare it to the clevis inside the car, then cut off the excess. Make sure your die is wound on past where your cutting before you cut it, as this allows you to clean the start of the thread after cutting it.
  
I wont go into technique but If you’ve never tapped anything before then your best learning before
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder008.jpg|400px]]
  
doing this as if you get it wrong it means buying a new servo
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The clevis should now thread nicely onto the shortened rod. If all is well you won't need to remove it again, so add a washer and bolt the servo to the bulkhead.
  
Thread it as far as you can, I held the rod in a pair of mole grips I clamped into a vice to stop the
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder009.jpg|400px]]
 
 
shaft spinning and not cutting
 
 
 
Once its threaded its time to take it back to the car to see how much it needs shortening
 
 
 
Test fit number two
 
 
 
Attach your clevis to the mech and then place next to the noe fully threaded rod
 
 
 
This will tell you how much to take off, best to take too little than too much as you can always take a
 
 
 
little more bit by bit
 
 
 
Make sure your die is wound on past where your cutting before you cut it, this allows you to clean
 
 
 
the start of the thread after cutting it
 
 
 
Cut it off and then wind the die off
 
 
 
The clevis should now thread nicely onto the shortened rod
 
 
 
Take back to the car and fit again for third time 
 
 
 
If all is well you wont need to remove again so add a washer and bolt the servo to the bulkhead
 
  
 
The clevis can be adjusted to suit the brake mech and can also be adjusted to take any slack out of it
 
The clevis can be adjusted to suit the brake mech and can also be adjusted to take any slack out of it
  
Leave the glovebox out for now until its all done as you may need to adjust little bits
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Leave the glovebox out for now until it's all done as you may need to adjust little bits
  
Grab your new matching MC
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Grab your new matching MC. Bench bleed it by filling the reservoir of suitable DOT-rated fluid.
  
Bench bleed it by filling the resivoiur of suitable dot rated fluid
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder001.jpg|400px]]
 
 
Keeping the holes plugged with rags or your fingers install the MC to the servo and quickly put the
 
 
 
brake hard lines In, you will need to bend them to fit as the MC is now further away from the
 
 
 
bulkhead but its not hard or too far to bend them (if your really anal then make new ones but im on
 
 
 
a budget)
 
 
 
Bleed all the brakes starting from the furthest away from MC so OSR NSR OSF NSF
 
 
 
Test drive time
 
 
 
If any slack in the pedal then the clevis/brake rod can be adjusted
 
 
 
Once all is well and no leaks have appeared then install your glovebox and hopefully you’ll have
 
 
 
more braking assistace to match any caliper upgrade you’ve done.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
With the [[E34]] calipers on the front, and potentially bigger brakes on the rear as well, the standard E30 master cylinder isn't big enough to move enough fluid. To get around this, most people use the E32 750i MC but I also wanted more assistance to match. The 750i MC is also becoming increasingly expensive due to its rareity, so I'm opting to use a more mundane E32 735i MC and servo instead. This master cylinder is still 25mm, so should improve the feeling to near stock level
 
 
 
However, a few mods will be needed to make this fit.
 
 
 
The E32 I got mine from had a spacer on the back of the servo. There are two options here:
 
 
 
#Use the spacer. This requires the least mods but the brake fluid reservior will be right underneath the inlet boot on the [[M20]] engine, and might not fit.
 
#Ditch the spacer, but make a few mods instead. This involves:
 
Grinding down and shortening the push rod to put the clevis at its original level
 
Open up 2 holes in the bulkhead
 
Bend the brake lines slightly
 
 
 
I choose number 2 for an original look to the engine bay
 
 
 
Start by opening up the mounting holes
 
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Grind down the pushrod
 
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Start making the thread using your die
 
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Cut about an inch and half cut off (37mm), and thread it as far as you dare
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Keeping the holes plugged with rags or your fingers, install the MC to the servo and quickly put the brake hard lines in. You will need to bend them to fit as the MC is now further away from the bulkhead, but its not hard or too far to bend them (if you're really picky then make new ones but I'm on a budget).
E34Brakes008
 
  
Remember if you're doing this yourself then leave the die wound on before you cut the excess off. That way, you can then unwind it and clean the threads so that the clevis can go on with no trouble
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder010.jpg|400px]]
  
test fit
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Bleed all the brakes, starting from the furthest away from MC, so OSR NSR OSF NSF.
E34Brakes009
 
  
I was made up that the standard E32 vacuum line was in the perfect place to line up to the E30 system
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Take if for a GENTLE test drive.
  
The clevis is the trickiest part
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If there is any slack in the pedal then the clevis/brake rod can be adjusted.
I lost the E30 clevis so I used the E32 one but it was way too long. This required trimming and slight mods so please keep your E30 one unless you want some trial and error fitment issues that involves installing and removing the servo/clevis multiple times
 
E34Brakes010
 
  
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Once all is well and no leaks have appeared then install your glovebox and hopefully you’ll have more braking assistace to match any caliper upgrade you’ve done.
  
All done apart from take it all apart to paint the servo and bench bleed the MC
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[[Image:E32MasterCylinder011.jpg|400px]]
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Latest revision as of 12:26, 25 January 2015

If you've recently upgraded your brakes by fitting some E34 calipers, then you'll need a bigger master cylinder to push all that extra fluid around.

Here's how to install the Master Cylinder and servo from the mighty E32 7-series.

E32MasterCylinder001.jpg

Overview

With the E34 calipers on the front, and potentially bigger brakes on the rear as well, the standard E30 master cylinder isn't big enough to move enough fluid. To get around this, most people use the E32 750i MC but I also wanted more assistance to match. The 750i MC is also becoming increasingly expensive due to its rareity, so I'm opting to use a more mundane E32 735i MC and servo instead. This master cylinder is still 25mm, so should improve the feeling to near stock level

Parts

  • E32 735i Servo, Master Cylinder and Reservoir

Tools

  • 3/8 socket set
  • 11mm brake pipe spanner or combination if you don’t have one
  • Screwdrivers
  • Electric drill and bits up to 12mm
  • Carbide burrs
  • Grinder and discs
  • Tap and die set (M10x1.5)
  • Cutting oil (wd40)
  • Rags for keeping stuff clean
  • Some washers

Procedure

Open the bonnet and look at the rear of the engine bay on UK nearside to see the servo setup. To gain access to it, undo the air intake boot by loosening the two jubilee clips and the ICV.

Undo the two brake pipes coming out of the MC with your 11mm spanner. Catch any fluid in a rag or bucket as fluid will pour out the MC and pipes, and it will eat through your paintwork.

Remove the MC from the servo by undoing the two 13mm nuts (some people may not need to remove this from servo but I found with the space left by the M20 it looked easier)

Inside the car slide the passenger seat all the way back or remove completely if you want even more space (4x17mm)

Remove the glove box using the two screws mounted to the bulkhead. Be prepared to find signs of Rust in your bulkhead.

You will now see the brake clevis and mechanism to turn the movement through 90 degrees.

E32MasterCylinder002.jpg

Take the pin out of the clevis by removing the clip, but keep your hand round it as it will want to fire off somewhere and not want to be found. Then slide the pin out and keep it all safe.

Following the push rod towards the bulkhead you will see a big black plate with four 13mm nuts.

Go back to engine bay side and pull the servo free from bulkhead and remove from the bay. Admire your gaping hole and repair any rust while this is out

E32MasterCylinder003.jpg

Get the E32 servo and remove the spacer as this hinders clearance with the M20 intake boot.

You’ll now see that there are only two studs to mount to the bulkhead, this is fine and it’s not exactly heavy. These two studs don’t fit in the standard holes so you can either drill some new ones a bit further over or open up the holes already there. I chose to do the latter. Using a carbide burr I slotted the holes roughly 8mm towards the center

E32MasterCylinder004.jpg

Test fit regularly to make sure that everything lines up.

E32MasterCylinder005.jpg

With the servo test-fitted, look inside at where it bolts and you’ll see that the push rod is far too long and needs shortening a lot, and subsequent re-threading. Remove the servo again and look at the rod; its a lot fatter than the thread and will need grinding down so that the die wont get stuck and snap something.

E32MasterCylinder006.jpg

30 seconds with a grinder and the shaft will be small enough to work with. Now wind on the die and spray plenty of WD40 at the teeth as you start to make the new thread:

E32MasterCylinder007.jpg

I won't go into technique but If you’ve never tapped anything before then you're best learning before doing this as if you get it wrong it means buying a new servo.

Thread it as far as you can. Hold the rod in a pair of mole grips clamped into a vice to stop the shaft spinning instead of cutting.

Once it's threaded it's time to take it back to the car to see how much it needs shortening. Test fit it, compare it to the clevis inside the car, then cut off the excess. Make sure your die is wound on past where your cutting before you cut it, as this allows you to clean the start of the thread after cutting it.

E32MasterCylinder008.jpg

The clevis should now thread nicely onto the shortened rod. If all is well you won't need to remove it again, so add a washer and bolt the servo to the bulkhead.

E32MasterCylinder009.jpg

The clevis can be adjusted to suit the brake mech and can also be adjusted to take any slack out of it

Leave the glovebox out for now until it's all done as you may need to adjust little bits

Grab your new matching MC. Bench bleed it by filling the reservoir of suitable DOT-rated fluid.

E32MasterCylinder001.jpg

Keeping the holes plugged with rags or your fingers, install the MC to the servo and quickly put the brake hard lines in. You will need to bend them to fit as the MC is now further away from the bulkhead, but its not hard or too far to bend them (if you're really picky then make new ones but I'm on a budget).

E32MasterCylinder010.jpg

Bleed all the brakes, starting from the furthest away from MC, so OSR NSR OSF NSF.

Take if for a GENTLE test drive.

If there is any slack in the pedal then the clevis/brake rod can be adjusted.

Once all is well and no leaks have appeared then install your glovebox and hopefully you’ll have more braking assistace to match any caliper upgrade you’ve done.

E32MasterCylinder011.jpg