M30 conversion related ABS problem now sussed!

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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:37 am

i'm starting a seperate thread as even though it makes me look like a total plank, i reckon others may be in the same situation i was and it is a definate safety issue! as far as i know, this will apply to all facelift E30's with late M30 engines fitted. eg, the easy straight plug-in ones...

just before the M30 conversion, my ABS packed up. it had never had a indicator bulb so i'm not sure as to the original problem. i then installed the M30B35 lump (1988 E32 auto into 1990 E30 manual) but didn't sort the ABS out before taking the car off the road for financial reasons. the wiring was done according to the wiring info i found on here and in various other places on the net. this involves getting the windows / blower to work with the doors shut, then the econometer working. no mention of ABS...

a year or so later, i revisited the problem, fitted a bulb and this was always on, not going out once the engine was started. also, the ABS would allow locking of the wheels on a test drive. i found one faulty wheel speed sensor (1k Ohm as per spec ok but no signal when driving) which was replaced. out of desperation i also replaced both the pump and ECU which may have also sorted another fault but i suspect these were in fact ok. after this, the light was exactly the same! :?

the cause...
on the E32 loom in my car (not sure about others yet, please post your findings) the main DME relay powers the ABS ECU via one of the red / blue wires on the 8 pin connector near the relays (in that ECU enclosure thingy on the E32 iirc). this wiring is then built into the car side of the loom. the other red / blue wire powers the engine ECU.

On the standard E30, the DME relay is on the nearside inner wing, near the PAS reservoir. this powers the ABS ECU via pin 20 of the C101 plug. a red / yellow wire on the car side, not sure about the colour within the engine loom.

add them together and there is no power to the ABS ecu (pin 1, red / yellow) but it still lights the fault bulb. this was the major failing in my search as i assumed it must have power to light the bulb. wrong! :o:

the fix:
either run a wire from the red / blue wire on the DME relay to pin 20 of the engine side of the C101 or what i'll be doing is to remove the red / yellow wire from the car side of the C101 and extend across to the DME relay within the car. this will keep the wiring neater in the engine bay.
hopefully if like me you're experienced at car fragging, you kept the other half of the 8 pin connector which makes a neat place to fit the new loom to. winkeye

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DME relay on my car - others may have them on the bulkhead or near the battery position... it's the white one of the 2.
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the red / blue wires mentioned. one goes to the engine ecu, the other to an empty 8 pin connector
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the other gubbins in the area. there should be 2 relays, a 2 pin connector, 2 off 4 pin connectors and the 8 pin connector. none of the connectors are used on mine.
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my test lead 8O
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note - this is not the way to finally modify the wiring!!!!!!!


how many other M30's are out there with no ABS?
hopefully anyone who did the job properly and worked out the wiring will have had no problems, but i was lazy and took it as read that it would work!


thanks go to everyone who helped me fruitlessly faultfind my ABS and mainly to andy335touring for pointing this out originally and brianmooooooore for being an all-knowing oracle as usual! more beers added to the IOU list gents!

the final thing to do is test the system but this wil have to wait til i have a diff! :cry:
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:08 pm

all finally sorted now.

a point to note, when powering the ABS ECU, do not cut the red / yellow wire. on the car side this runs from pin 1 of the ABS ECU to the ABS pmp then back up to pin 20 of the C101.

in the end i spliced the positive extended red / blue wire into the red / yellow within the ABS ECU connector. i also pulled (and heatshrink sleeved) the brown / yellow wire out of pin 20 of the engine side of the C101 as though i don't have details for what it does, it surely shoudn't be connected to the ABS power!

i must get some proper pinouts for the E32 loom one day! :D
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:04 pm

So you basically cut pin 20 from the c101, and joined the red/blue to pin 1 of the ABS ecu?

I think my loom (E34) doesnt have the 8 pin connector, can I just splice into that wire and run a length to pin 1?

Will have to give this a try tomorrow. I can't do elecs.. Im colourblind and tend to fry things.. like batteries and servo motors (RC cars!)
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:11 pm

ABS = :gay: :giggle:
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:52 pm

Theo325 wrote:ABS = :gay: :giggle:
would have been handy on the ring ey mate? !!!! winkeye winkeye winkeye :tongue: :flipbird: :D
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:55 pm

oze30 wrote:So you basically cut pin 20 from the c101, and joined the red/blue to pin 1 of the ABS ecu?

I think my loom (E34) doesnt have the 8 pin connector, can I just splice into that wire and run a length to pin 1?

Will have to give this a try tomorrow. I can't do elecs.. Im colourblind and tend to fry things.. like batteries and servo motors (RC cars!)
that's about it yes. a lot of different ways of doing it though but in essence that's it. i didn't cut the wire off, just pilled the pin out and insulated it. then i can go back and fiddle later once i realise what else i've killed off!

have a look for that plug, it may be there... the only spare plugs in that whole area of the loom are the ones shown. i'd be interested to see if this is a E32 donor only problem though. keep us posted :D
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:58 pm

no probs. will try it tomorrow or so.

Thanks again!
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:12 am

I'll have to test mine tomorrow! 8O

I'm not sure my feable brakes are capable of locking a wheel anyway though! :cry:
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:12 am

Gareth i did point out many months ago, when having problems with the abs on my first conversion, that there was a seperate plug bridging the engine loom from the e34/e32 to the car/abs loom :? I was told at that time that it should make no odds once fitted to the e30 :? I guessed it may be important and you have just confirmed that 8)
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Post Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:46 am

gareth wrote:i must get some proper pinouts for the E32 loom one day! :D
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Post Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:45 am

hehe! i suspect there are a fair few of us on here who are keeping quiet out of shame!!!! i personally am not fussed and it's a safelt issue that the zone massive should be aware off and a vital addition to the "to-do" list for a M30 swap. i bet as a result, a few more 335i's will have working abs soon! :D

spadge, having tinkered with a few, is the wired the same as the E32?

ian, cheers for that, i'll have a good rummage through tomorrow :D
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Post Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:47 pm

uh-oh... i may have spoken too soon in my case. my ABS light works like it should (for the first time ever) but if i drive down the road, i can still lock up. :cry: :cry: :cry: the ABS doesn't try to do anything and the light stays out.

any ideas?

could the soft pedal (air in there still) cause this?
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