INDIVIDUAL COIL PACKS FOR M30

[oze30]

Heya,

just wondering, If I wanted to go with 6 coil packs, what are the advantages/disadvantages of it?

How complicated would it be?

Would m50 coil packs work?

[Ant]

COP setup requires a cam position signal to phaze them correctly, and of course you'd need 6 coil driver outputs on the ECU

TBH, a wasted setup is easier to implement, and achieves the same goals.

HTH

[oze30]

COP setup requires a cam position signal to phaze them correctly, and of course you'd need 6 coil driver outputs on the ECU

TBH, a wasted setup is easier to implement, and achieves the same goals.

HTH

WTF??? that kinda made no sense to me! I need a cam sensor, and a different ecu???


What would the benefits be?

[Andy335Touring]

COP = coil on plug

Like Ant said....

TBH, a wasted setup is easier to implement, and achieves the same goals.

You can get the coil packs from V6 Omega's or Scorpio 24v.

Basically a wasted spark set up fires two cylinders at once, one ignites the fuel mixture on one piston thats comming up on the compression stroke, the other piston that is fired(sparked) is on the exhaust stroke so the spark does nothing or is wasted.

The COP set up needs the cam sensor to tell the ECU which plug needs firing at the right time.

[oze30]

right. So itd be a waste of time if I got m50 coilpacks?

What else would be needed if I get the omega or scorpio set up?

[Ant]

Ok, M30 as std has a single coil and dizzy to distribute the sparks to the correct cyls @ the correct time.

To revise this, and use the omega/wasted setup, you need an ECU ( aftermarket ) with provision for multiple coils, then you may add the coilpack setup.

no way around it dude, the stock ECU cant be modded to add the req outputs.

M5 3.8 runs COP but the cost of the parts would be telephone numbers.

[SPADGE]

Col - I have a question for you. Why do you want to run coil packs????
Its going to gain you little on your stock M30 lump

[Andy335Touring]

right. So itd be a waste of time if I got m50 coilpacks?

No real benefit, more work

What else would be needed if I get the omega or scorpio set up?

Assuming you already planned using a MS ECU nothing extra apart from the wiring and make sure the ECU is configured to run wasted spark. One positive feed and three negative ignition drivers from the ECU.

The only slight thing you will have to play with is routing the HT leeds, depending where you mount the coil pack.

[edit, too slow/making coffee]

[oze30]

Someone said that coilpacks and MS would be better on fuel?

[Andy335Touring]

Col - I have a question for you. Why do you want to run coil packs????
Its going to gain you little on your stock M30 lump

Too lose the dizzy cap/rotor arm, a bit of a weak point/old tech

[oze30]

Col - I have a question for you. Why do you want to run coil packs????
Its going to gain you little on your stock M30 lump

Too lose the dizzy cap/rotor arm, a bit of a weak point/old tech

but just thinking outside the square.. The more parts and stuff I can do here, the cheaper.. in oz, that's not possible..

[SPADGE]

Col - I have a question for you. Why do you want to run coil packs????
Its going to gain you little on your stock M30 lump

Too lose the dizzy cap/rotor arm, a bit of a weak point/old tech

Yes Andy i can see that being an advantage on perhaps a blown or high comp tuned engine but not a stock one!
I guess there would be a slight gain as the cam wouldn't have to carry the weight of turning the rotor though

Col try answering your phone for once btw

[oze30]

Who says it's not going to be forced???

[Ant]

Wasted has a few benifits, no mechanical loss on the ignition = better spark, smooth like never before was my 1st impression when I added wasted to my M20B25T

Allegedly it reduces the piston temp when dry firing and should benifit the emissions, not that thats a major consideration

Hmm, Idea, wonder if I can resubmit my car to be classified under the newer emissions regs, and get cheaper tax

[SPADGE]

Col - I have a question for you. Why do you want to run coil packs????
Its going to gain you little on your stock M30 lump

Too lose the dizzy cap/rotor arm, a bit of a weak point/old tech

but just thinking outside the square.. The more parts and stuff I can do here, the cheaper.. in oz, that's not possible..

I'll wager that car never goes from these shores

[Andy335Touring]

Do the prices on here seem good ?

Scorpio 24v coil pack for £50 plus VAT

http://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/ignitioncoil.aspx

[Andyboy]

Do the prices on here seem good ?

Scorpio 24v coil pack for £50 plus VAT

http://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/ignitioncoil.aspx

I'd want a 24v Scorpio for £50 all in. Your local branch of Council Motors should have one in stock.

As for M30 caps and rotors - I've just replaced the 263'000 miles 1989 original on my beast.

[m-dtech]

m50 has individual coil packs.

im hoping to use megasquirt on it