Nice E28 M5 Resto thread

[barryj]

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e28-m5 ... hd-m5.html

[Rav335uk]

Brings back happy memories

[barryj]

Did you have an M5? I would love one when I have finished the S50 E30.

[Rich_W]

I'll be honest.

I think he's doing a crap job of that "resto" hes just picking at it, that plate welded in on the front sill is awful
Clearly the car isn't on the road, and he's got access to a large amount of space. So why not do the job justice? Take out the engine and transmission and diff. Take off the suspension, take out the interior. I accept that not everyone wants to go the dipping route, but just removing all the components makes welding a hundred times easier.

What gets me is the people doing to work are allegedly professionals

if anything, I think any potential buyers will be put off




Can still see rust on the backside of the sill, so hes just painting over the problems.


Red rust proofer not covered fully.


Great idea on a freshly painted car, get these idiots to wash it!


Clearly didn't paint the whole car.



Welds clearly not ground flat before spastic application of sealant!


Hmmm nice.


Rust ignored further up inner sill.


Just remove the pedal!


ergh!

To be honest, if I was looking for a E28 m5, I'd run a mile from this "restored" car. I get that not everyone has deep pockets, but THE most important thing is to do the shell right ONCE, then do the rest as an when. Its taken since 2006 to get the car "finished"

I love the way rather than have the duplex chain mod done he decided against it. Just about sums up the way the cars been worked on. Bit more care and the car would be worth a fortune.

[Rav335uk]

Did you have an M5? I would love one when I have finished the S50 E30.

Yes mate ran it for 3 yrs, back in 1991, the good old days of cheap priced petrol and insurance, oh and when I was 21

Still miss it to this day

[bss325i]

I'll be honest.

I think he's doing a crap job of that "resto" hes just picking at it, that plate welded in on the front sill is awful

Couldn't agree with you more.

Total f@cking lash up!

A rare car like that needs a propper resto!

[SUMPCRACKER]

That is an OK resto for a 525e.
That car deserves better. Lets hope its next owner gives it a ground up resto.
It will be rotten again in a couple of years looking at that.

[barryj]

I agree about the Resto to a point but its the obvious the owner hasn't got cash to throw at it (or doesn't want to) and is doing a lot of the work himself (the garage don't seem to be involved on a normal customer/supplier basis to be fair) you could throw £20k at one for sure. He seems to want to keep it so I don't think the thread is for attracting potential buyers (agreed that it might hinder this).

A couple of the comments that you make (full respray or lack of and red oxide paint not undersealed in the wheel arch) are covered in his text if you read the whole thing. What draws me to the thread in general is its warts and all approach and the constant battle he seems to have in his head/heart about throwing money at a car that ultimately will not be worth more than about £8k.

In my opinion a full resto on one of these is a different kettle of fish to a resto on an E30 both in terms of parts availability and cost, I wouldn't want to take one on and everyones idea of saving a car isn't stripping it down to the last nut and bolt and rebuilding it.

Who says you can only own an M5 if you have the cash to undertake a ground up job?

[Rich_W]

What draws me to the thread in general is its warts and all approach and the constant battle he seems to have in his head/heart about throwing money at a car that ultimately will not be worth more than about £8k.

Who says you can only own an M5 if you have the cash to undertake a ground up job?

Fully restored to a decent conditionit would be worth a damn site more than £8K! Rarer than E30 M3's and those are £8K start for some right old heaps. Fully done I reckon excellent condition. E28 M5 somewhere between £15 and 25! Piss poor workmanship will kill the value. Good workmanship enhances the value. Simples.

I don't think anyones saying you should only own a car if you can throw £20K at it. What people are saying, is if you ARE going to restore a car and clearly he had 3 years with this one so wasn't in any hurry. Do the thing justice.

I fear for that 6 series he's bought as a new project too!

[barryj]

Like I said, I agree to a point but hey its his car and it looks like he wants to use it. There is a lot of great information on the M5 site in general a few of the threads had me reading them for
hours.

The £8k comment was because I have looked into it and lightly restored ones have changed hands for that recently, dogs for as little as £2k which when you think about the motor is a bargain.

If anything they are more Anal about the M5 than we are about Alpina's!

[cecotto479]

Fully restored to a decent condition it would be worth a damn site more than £8K! Rarer than E30 M3's and those are £8K start for some right old heaps. Fully done I reckon excellent condition. E28 M5 somewhere between £15 and 25! I fear for that 6 series he's bought as a new project too!

First of all Davidoli is a good guy. He's a genuine BMW man and specifically likes his classic Ms. Nobody will know the value of an E28 M5 better than him as he's bought and sold a few in the past year, some more than once.

In my experience., you'll never get close to £15K for an E28 M5 at the moment, no matter good. Very, very rarely do they reach 5 figures.

I had my old one (which I paid £6000 ish for and traded for an M635 at about the same value) advertised on behalf of its new owner for £7495 for months with little response. An E30 M3 - which, as I have said for years, is half the car of an E28 M5 - would have been snapped up in days at that money.

I don't get it. The E28 M5 is a superb all round car and I'd have one over an E30 M3 in a heartbeat, but they don't get the money. Judged purely on a driving basis, it's a better car than the M635 and it rusts less, but I could have sold every M635 I have sold three or four times over.

His M635 will be an eye-opener for him. I viewed it and offered on it about 6 months or so ago. I'm sure he'll do it justice and he'll be an expert welder by the end of it.

[Karan]

thats shitty even by my standards

[barryj]

I didn't post it to start an argument just thought it was an interesting thread, he is doing a better job than I would but then I would rather pay someome I trust to do it properly. Horses for courses and all that.

[bss325i]

Interstng yes but the execution of the repairs is poor end of. Stipping the car propperly costs nothing but time and as you say he's had three years!

The icing on the cake though is the dodgey hand car wash after it had been painted!

What loon does that!

[barryj]

Got to agree on the car wash, I was thinking what a plank when I saw that! also despite reading the thread all the way through I had not picked up on how long he has had the car.

[Rich_W]

First of all Davidoli is a good guy. He's a genuine BMW man and specifically likes his classic Ms. Nobody will know the value of an E28 M5 better than him as he's bought and sold a few in the past year, some more than once.

He knows FUCK ALL about restoring though. And thats the key issue here. That car now needs it ALL doing again. Only this time properly!

His money, his car. But it would of been quicker for him to put the car in a crusher. Would of been faster and cheaper! Look at the resto threads on here. Theres a couple of M3's that got dipped. That's how you resto a classic.

You want to know the irony? Pimp my Ride and that Wheeler Dealer show do better bodywork repairs!

This car shouldn't annoy me as I have no reason to care, but its a giant f up and it does. It's put a potential classic beyond interest to all but the most determined restorer and as result in due course it will fail another MOT and be scrapped.

On Mobile.de 24,900 Eur



Even this slightly less specced car is 17,500 Eur



But hey lets just fuck up a classic car through idiocy!

EDITED TO ADD

I don't consider door alignment to be a "minor issue" when you've just completed "this lengthy restoration"

Utter TWAT!

[barryj]

You feel strongly about this don't you!!!

As for price, have a look on the M5 board there are several actual sold car threads on their rather than for sale adverts that only tell the story of what someone believes they can achieve for a car.

But hey its not worth getting your knickers in a twist about eh? lol

P.s. Thanks for reminding me about Mobile.de now I want an M5 touring again!

[Rich_W]

I just have a thing about shit workmanship on cars.

Lets face it, it takes more effort to bodge something and then cover it up than to do the job right in the first place. And if the cars worth more than a few grand to start with it just seems ludicrous to me!

[cecotto479]

TBH I got bored of Davidoli's "Diamond Diana" thread about a year ago and I haven't read it in a long time. Last I looked he was getting work done by somebody, I think, so I purposefully haven't commented on the quality of the workmanship. It was valuations that I was commenting on. I agree if you are going to do it, do it properly. The m635 in my sig was in miles better condition before I started than the White one he has bought. That'll be entertaining.

The cars may be more appreciated in Germany, but I can tell you that very, very few (2 that I know about) have changed hands for five figures in this country.

[Rich_W]

Maybe none of the cars in the UK are worth it as they are heaps. ;)

Shame, as this one could have been one of the few. Saying that, as you know, projects normally cost more than the value afterwards. But you should do cars like this for the experience of the project. Not necessarily to make money.

He hasn't even waxoiled it yet?

[cecotto479]

Look for threads on Number 9. It was a car that should have been special. Munich Legends sold one - 40000 miles - for a rumored £15000 last year. There are some superb E28 M5s in the UK, it's just that, like most good M635s and E30 M3s they are in the hands of long term owners and don't appear for sale.

[richard-the-nutter]

i agree thats not a resto. calling that a bodge for mot is a compliment on such a car

[SUMPCRACKER]

At the end of it he will have an M5 he can USE!! that wont owe him silly money. This would suit an M535i better but its up to him.

Ive had far more enjoyment out of useable cars than the headache you get from minters.

I dont agree with the way it has been done but its his car not mine.

[pacerpete]

David is indeed a nice guy. Shame about this sorry turd. As a tired 200 000 mile + turd it was never going to be worth a lot what ever was done to it and should have been avoided. Alas with his carefully documented 'restoration' it is worth even less !
On a positive note it has a lovely ECU served by moi !