turbod 316 ?

[yamaha1]

i posted yesterday about tuning a 316 and got some good replies but looking round ive found that turboing seemt the best option has any one done this on a 316 and what turbo out of whic car would be best to go for .. here comes the noob question - where does the fule go in on the turbo ?

[maxfield]

Fuel doesn't go into the turbo...

[Alyman]

Homework:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

[DRIFTBOY]

This is an excellent source of information.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Maximum-Boost-Des ... .m20.l1116

[toby]

And I thought twin carbs would be too expensive! This is at least £1000 DIY for a turbo, plus uprated brakes etc etc

You still haven't confirmed if it's a 316 or a 316i fella

[Joshy]

Like everyone told you in the last thread, put a bigger engine in the damn thing.

Going FI on a 316 is foolish, you're going to spend far more than a swap to a 3.5l M30 or 2.5 M20 into the car, be left with something that is horribly unreliable and probably still make less power than a 2.5/3.5 engine.

[chu346]

Like everyone told you in the last thread, put a bigger engine in the damn thing.

Buy a car with the correct engine. The guys 17, nobody is going to give a decent quote for a 17yo with a modded bmw, go and get some insurance quotes for these foolish ideas you have!

[jaistanley]

Damn right. I bet a 318is with insurance will be a damn sight cheaper in the long run than a naff 316 turbo and insurance. More reliable and generally a much better prospect all round.

Or get over it, live with a smaller engine and make the chassis really nice, learn to drive properly for a couple f years and start again. I put up with slow cars for a couple of years but had a Pug 205 1.9 @ 19, then a Golf MK2 16v, then an iS by 21. Never really paid a fortune for insurance and driving a slow car for a while will do you the world of good (though it'll piss you off to be told I'm sure).

[GrindCulture]

iS is the way for a fairly cheap E30 with a bit of performance. A turbo setup will not only be expensive but you'll get raped on insurance I'm sure. Or as jai said, make it drive nicely, you'll be surprised how much further you can take a car with a nice chassis setup. Power is not the be all and end all of performance.

[Joshy]

He doesn't intend on telling his insurance. That's why he's planning on using a 316 as they are far cheaper to insure for a first driver than a 6 pot, 318iS or even a standard 318i.

If you do plan on not telling the insurance people, a swap to a bigger engine is without a doubt the best way to go. Keep EVERYTHING looking as standard as possible and do the swap well, you might just get away with it.

[chu346]

Well that's just stupid and he deserves to crash into a tree and not get paid out!

[maxfield]

Sorry, but that's wrong!

What if you knock someone over and your insurance is void!

[Turbo-Brown]

Sorry, but that's wrong!

What if you knock someone over and your insurance is void!

My understanding is that your insurance still has to pay up on the third party liability, but they'll then persue the uninsured driver to reimburse them.

If you want to mod your car, you must be prepared to pay the price of the insurance!

[Joshy]

I can't believe it has taken so long for the penny to drop for some of you . Of course I could be wrong and the guy could be planning on declaring the mods, but at 17 and as a First car, I somewhat doubt he'll be doing that (If I'm wrong, I apologize.)

To be honest though if you used your brain, kept the exterior completely standard and threw on some unsuspecting wheels, I reckon you could just about get away with it. I mean, how's the insurance adjuster going to know the nice big M30 lump in there didn't come with the car as standard ?

Granted it's "wrong", but then again, so are the prices insurance companies charge first time drivers...

[Turbo-Brown]

I reckon a fairly simple check on the engine number might reveal that the engine didn't ought to be there.

I also reckon that if you killed someone in your not-properly-insured car, they'd do a little bit of homework on what engines should and should live in an E30.

Insurance for first time drivers is high because they're a bloody high risk!

If you don't want to pay lots for insurance, buy a Ka or something or swallow the premium you get charged for a more powerful / higher risk motor and shut up about it.

[Joshy]

I reckon a fairly simple check on the engine number might reveal that the engine didn't ought to be there.

But how often do Adjusters check engine numbers? (Serious question, I've never had to deal with one myself before, I certainly know they didn't check on my mother's last car.)

[yamaha1]

thats alot of replies - i just really wanted an e30 for the 80's style and the rwdness im probly gonna look at a 316 as i dnt want to rap myslef around a tree thanks and make it as light as poss , when you say chassis mods what do you mean ?/

[maxfield]

Suspension/Steering/Brakes

Believe me with a good handling and stopping car, you will have much more fun!

[Joshy]

Suspension/Steering/Brakes

Believe me with a good handling and stopping car, you will have much more fun!

But doing the suspension, steering and brakes is still going to drive his premiums quite a bit isn't it?

[maxfield]

Depends if you tell them, they would be less concerned about those upgrades than giving the engine more power.

[yamaha1]

i understand suspension and brakes but what would i need to do with the steering ? ive been told that when there fullly striped lowered and wider wheels they feel like go carts lol

[maxfield]

Quicker rack, E30 rack is dreadfully slow!

Striped on a properly sorted suspension, not just cut springs....

And it's not all about wide wheels. Probably create more understeer.

[yamaha1]

surley if you have a wider track there will be less body roll and the car will be more stable ?

[maxfield]

Maybe but I would of thought it would encourage more understeer. Probably wrong though.

[yamaha1]

im not sure i would prefer oversteer though right so how does this sound

e30 316 carbed/316i

bigger carbs if its a carbed 1 - chiped if injection

4-2-1 exhaust to straight 2.5 inch ( get it done cheap)

completly striped

bucket seats

borbets - if i can find some second hand

sorted steering brakes n suspension ?

[yamaha1]

oh and i lighter fly wheel - been told its better for making it drift a bit (more revvy)

[maxfield]

Suspension is depending on how much you want to spend.

Brakes, just some decent pads, discs and fluid and it will be sorted in a stripped out car.

[maxfield]

No point in the flywheel unless you're doing a clutch change IMO.

Highly inflated tyres is all you need

[yamaha1]

cool cool
wot about the stuff engine wise thort about getting a cage aswell - also cheap been 17 and an idiot i probly will crash

[maxfield]

No point in fettling with the engine, won't gain enough power to even worth thinking about.

Cage would be pretty pointless IMO.

As you say you're 17 (Me too) you're in experienced and there's quite a high chance of an accident. Sometimes the back end lets go at an unexpected moment.

[yamaha1]

still thinkin of the 4-2-1 to striaght thru just because of the noise and backfire - gay i know but hey , yeh thats why i want to learnt to drift it a little so when it does let go i have a chance of bringin her back - which 316 would you recomend >

[pacerpete]

Just what the world needs, more driftc0cks !

[yamaha1]

take it ur a wine dine and shine - well i dont have a problem with that - only wanna play about drift not majorly sideways on blind bends

[GrindCulture]

still thinkin of the 4-2-1 to striaght thru just because of the noise and backfire - gay i know but hey , yeh thats why i want to learnt to drift it a little so when it does let go i have a chance of bringin her back - which 316 would you recomend >

If you decide to go against the stripping it out bit, go for a touring, it's great for going camping and stuff with mates and they don't feel like big cars.

[Joshy]

im not sure i would prefer oversteer though right so how does this sound

e30 316 carbed/316i

bigger carbs if its a carbed 1 - chiped if injection

4-2-1 exhaust to straight 2.5 inch ( get it done cheap)

completly striped

bucket seats

borbets - if i can find some second hand

sorted steering brakes n suspension ?

If/when you do need to claim, you're insurance adjuster is going to laugh if your face if he comes to see your e30 that they have on their system as being completely standard has been stripped with bucket seats, a cage, is wearing borbets and has a nice exhaust

If you want any chance of your £1,000+ insurance policy to actually cover you in the event of an accident, you can't be doing obvious modifications like stripping or bucket seats, hell, I've heard in many cases of insurance companies not paying out because someone changed the alloys to something non standard., you're going to have no change if you're going to try and pull off some of the modifications you've mentioned

Also, have you ever been in a stripped out car on the road? Hell, have you ever driven a car before? Why are you so obsessed with making your car go faster? Do you actually have any proper experience of a quick car?

And for the third and finial time, DO NOT BOTHER MODIFYING THE 316 LUMP. It's a huge waste of time, money and insurance premiums.

Just what the world needs, more driftc0cks !

I do hope you're joking.