Points for stretched tyres..

[pukar]

" police offica nuh give me produca " smiley culture

[verde]

Good point brian, still I believe stretched tyres ( within reason ) are safer than bald ones

Haha pukar knows the score " everytime me drive me car police stop me superstar..."

[Kos]

how can it go through an mot but you can get points and fines , does that not defeat the purpose of a mot?

The mot is very missunderstood in my opinion. Without going too far into it, it just means your car met some basic minimum safety criteria on the day.

There are many reasons why your car may be illegal under road traffic laws which are nothing to do with an mot. Window tinting is a prime example of this.

However there is a specific law on relation to window tints. A car can fail an MOT if the tester believes that a certain aspect of it is unsafe and an incorrectly mounted tyre ie a stretch is OTT.

Unfortunatly some police use the FM rule. If they see someting and think "FUK ME" it must be illegal

I'm not one to argue with the police but if they try to book me for somthing I know is legal I'll argue it and take it to court

I've won a few cases representing my self on matters like this the main one being for having nitrous oxide 13 years ago. Its up to then to prove it illegal and I'm breaking the law.

[e30mtech]

still its a sad day that the police put so much effort into fucking motorists for stupid reasons yet cant catch a rapist, paedo, murderer, terrorist, drug dealer etc etc (even when they know where i live lol)

half the town here could point you in the direction of the local smack heads and dealers but for some reason the fuzz dont know! but i can be arrested for a 50 quid fine i not paid!

however hating on the police is a bit stupid, as soon as your robbed, raped or murderd (lol) who is the first person you phone?

[Kos]

The MOT test only covers a very limited number of points, and is more concerned with the deterioration of standard parts fitted to the vehicle, rather than illegal modifications that have been deliberately made.

What is illegal about stretch's ?

As I said its down to whats the tester and police think is un safe or an incorrectly mounted tyre. It's a personal opinion, not law.

If I get a letter from Toyo saint their T1r tyre in 195 45 15 size is fine to be mounted on a 9j rim then it simply is and theres nothing to persue until it a law is passed with guidlines.

[leeparkes]

Most folk will shit themself and pay the fine so the goverment wins, only a handfull will know the law and have the balls to take it further.
I sometimes love getting pulled over.

[kangman]

F*CK ME, I PREDICT A RIOT!! A lot of testosterone flying around on this topic, so we agree MOTs are a load of bollox, Police are useless and are trained bullies until the day we need them but then still prove to be useless, and that e30mtech is a rapist, paedo, murderer, terrorist, drug dealer (his words)

This is the reason i started this topic link below, Kos is that your red 6series on AB25?

http://autobahn25.com/forums/index.php? ... hed-tyres/

[Green]

I can see this has pretty much been covered but I would like to clarify MOT's by what was once told to me by an ex-traffic cop of many years to now solicitor that specialises in Motor offences (talk about both sides of the coin!)

An MOT is only to say that the car is within VOSA's standard of a pass for the time it is spent on the ramps and being tested, as soon as it rolls out it's up to the law to decide if it's roadworthy or not.

For example from personal experience; a insecure battery didn't even show up on my MOT but when I pulled I was informed that it's dangerous and one of the main causes of car fires. This can then be rewarded with 3 points + fine.

The example the solicitor gave me was that if a car went through with a bit of fluid around a rear brake leaking out but the brakes passed the brake test the overall MOT would've been a pass. Roll out the garage and get pulled by cops, they have the power to de-assemble your rear brake to check if the brake cylinder is leaking and do you for defective brakes.

This is all relative to when I was told this a couple of years back in case anything has moved on!

Basically the MOT is to look at your car and say "Yes that's satisfactory for a pass" but the police can investigate further to de-assemble your car (At the roadside!) to assess if it's dangerous.


Back on the stretch topic though... I know it's illegal in Ireland, I recall hearing some lads at ED38 had their car taken away cause of stretch as it's seen as unsafe, perhaps someone can shine light on Ireland's take on stretch.

[Kos]

F*CK ME, I PREDICT A RIOT!! A lot of testosterone flying around on this topic, so we agree MOTs are a load of bollox, Police are useless and are trained bullies until the day we need them but then still prove to be useless, and that e30mtech is a rapist, paedo, murderer, terrorist, drug dealer (his words)

This is the reason i started this topic link below, Kos is that your red 6series on AB25?

http://autobahn25.com/forums/index.php? ... hed-tyres/

MOT's are not a load of bollocks, they do serve a purpose and its a good thing we have them.

and yes thats my e24

[kangman]

I meant MOTs are a load of bollox when it comes down to tyre stretch! No ones none the wiser about tyre stretch until the day you get pulled and get fined along with 3 points.
Same with HIDs, Window tinting, number plate spacing/font etc...

I started a topic 'its 2012 are HIDs banned yet?', asking whether they were legal to use in an e30 and all i got was people saying how much they hate HIDs and the rest telling me to fit them and change to normal bulbs before the MOT.
I get alot of police checks around my area so i dont want to get pulled and get slapped with a hefty fine and 6 POINTS because of some silly £30 bulbs and a bit of rubber stretch.

MOTs are good and do serve a purpose, but everyone knows some one who can get certain things overlooked in an MOT, like my mate who reckons he does his emissions test on another scooby cus his ones got a straight through exhaust or something along them lines.

[verde]

Mots are great they separate us from the usa where aslong as it has four wheels its good to go. The problem is ur being told by one party ur legal and good to go but not by another. I just with grrrmachine and briannoores assistance fixed my speedo which I didnt need for my mot but I bet if I got pulled theyd try fine me for.

This whole stretching mallarky I hope is enforced fairly ie remembee that stance cocks celica? That should be illegal. But dont come down on the drift/euro lads rolling a little angle on the sidewall. Il definately be taking them to court if they try to fine me

[bhups]

Kangman - your stretch isnt that bad at all so i think you will be fine.

I think the people that get targeted are the ones that run 195s on a 8j - 9j rim.

Bhups that you from AB25?
thats my rears there 9.5 on 215s and my fronts are 8.5 on 195s

Yeah it is.

8.5 with 195's is a bit excessive, i would've gone with 205's minimum.

[Morat]

If I get a letter from Toyo saint their T1r tyre in 195 45 15 size is fine to be mounted on a 9j rim then it simply is and theres nothing to persue until it a law is passed with guidlines.

That is true, and I'd be interested to hear a tyre manufacturer's opinion on stretched tyres. I suspect they'd be very wary of sending you a letter unless their testing already covered stretched tyres.

[Morat]

Driving Licence Offence
-Construction & Use Offences
-CU30: Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) 3points

Interesting that the final (s) is in brackets - I know someone who was pulled with 4 bald tyres and got 12 (well deserved) points in one go. Instant ban and a nice little fine to go with it.

[scjimbo]

Driving Licence Offence
-Construction & Use Offences
-CU30: Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) 3points

There is one thing I would add to this guys.

Its the same as when they are bald. (i.e.) 3 points per tyre.

[scjimbo]

Also the gents in white hats have the power to simply condemn the car off the road if they deem it to be un-roadworthy.

[Kos]

Driving Licence Offence
-Construction & Use Offences
-CU30: Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) 3points

There is one thing I would add to this guys.

Its the same as when they are bald. (i.e.) 3 points per tyre.

a bald tyre is a defective tyre. a tyre with a bulge in the side wall is defective.

[DanThe]

Jus look at thes bad bwoys, tha street cred is sick brev

[Nobby_N]

I love the stretch look, would not wanna drive far or hard on them though!

[DanThe]

Yeah I bet its right up your street, where are the pics of your turd anyway?

[Kos]

If I get a letter from Toyo saint their T1r tyre in 195 45 15 size is fine to be mounted on a 9j rim then it simply is and theres nothing to persue until it a law is passed with guidlines.

That is true, and I'd be interested to hear a tyre manufacturer's opinion on stretched tyres. I suspect they'd be very wary of sending you a letter unless their testing already covered stretched tyres.

i 195 on a 9j is a bot much as is a 205.
but here's a guide for BF goodridge

http://www.motormavens.com/wp-content/u ... Page-2.jpg

a 205/40 on an 8J is acceptable, and that's a mild stretch

toyo list all their specs on line as well, its not juts about the width, the side wall is important as well

eg, a 195 55 can go on to a rim from 5.5" to 7" wide. 6" is the recommended width

but a 195 45 can go on to a rim from 6" to 7.5" and 6.5" being the recommended width

thats for T1R's

http://www.toyo.co.uk/tire/pattern/proxes-t1-r

[Zerotonine]

I really do not understand the whole 'stretched tyres' fad. In my opinion it looks fooking stupid. Why would anyone want to decrease the car's 'footprint', leave the wheel more exposed to kerb damage and, to repeat myself again, make the car look shyte?
I wouldn't care one jot if the car's owner says it is safe, if it is beyond the manufacturers recommendations, it fails and you plough into me with my kids in the car, I would f u c king bury you.

But that is just my opinion.

[Morat]

If I get a letter from Toyo saint their T1r tyre in 195 45 15 size is fine to be mounted on a 9j rim then it simply is and theres nothing to persue until it a law is passed with guidlines.

That is true, and I'd be interested to hear a tyre manufacturer's opinion on stretched tyres. I suspect they'd be very wary of sending you a letter unless their testing already covered stretched tyres.

i 195 on a 9j is a bot much as is a 205.
but here's a guide for BF goodridge

http://www.motormavens.com/wp-content/u ... Page-2.jpg

a 205/40 on an 8J is acceptable, and that's a mild stretch

toyo list all their specs on line as well, its not juts about the width, the side wall is important as well

eg, a 195 55 can go on to a rim from 5.5" to 7" wide. 6" is the recommended width

but a 195 45 can go on to a rim from 6" to 7.5" and 6.5" being the recommended width

thats for T1R's

http://www.toyo.co.uk/tire/pattern/proxes-t1-* I tried to use text speak but the text speak filter stopped me *

OK, so seeing as 195mm is 7.67 inches - that's really no stretch at all, surely? (looking at the Toyos)

Looking at the Goodrich numbers, 255 is recommend at 10" rim width max - and 255m is 10.03 inches.

It looks like the manufacturers recommend that the tyres be wider than the wheels, even at max rim width (based on my limited sample of a limited sample at least).

In your example (205/40 on 8J) 205mm is 8.07 inches. For that to be a stretch, what am I missing? Is the side wall outside the tread width measurement? Is it the amount that the bead is tucked inwards at the inside of the carcass?

[scjimbo]

Driving Licence Offence
-Construction & Use Offences
-CU30: Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) 3points

There is one thing I would add to this guys.

Its the same as when they are bald. (i.e.) 3 points per tyre.

a bald tyre is a defective tyre. a tyre with a bulge in the side wall is defective.

Sorry kos, I was only making the point its 3 points per tyre. Defective tyre basically comes down to anything that is away from the norm.

[Sjoerd320i]

You said stretch?

Here are my wheels.

8.5j fronts with 205/40's



And the rears 10j with 215/40

[aaronsmart]

There is nothing in the MOT handbook that covers tyre size or strech ect, i know this because when i had my old Leon MOT'd me and the guy doing it went through the book to see weather its mentioned or not. The only things are that the tyre must have the correct tread, in the correct rotation and the sprey patter must be within the arches (this is where strech tyres came from in germany)

But on the law side of things if they deem it unsafe or illegal then... gutted. take the risk and don't moan when you get caught.

[adit]

I really do not understand the whole 'stretched tyres' fad. In my opinion it looks ********* stupid. Why would anyone want to decrease the car's 'footprint', leave the wheel more exposed to kerb damage and, to repeat myself again, make the car look shyte?
I wouldn't care one jot if the car's owner says it is safe, if it is beyond the manufacturers recommendations, it fails and you plough into me with my kids in the car, I would f u c king bury you.

But that is just my opinion.

...oh no it's not!

[Kos]

OK, so seeing as 195mm is 7.67 inches - that's really no stretch at all, surely? (looking at the Toyos)

Looking at the Goodrich numbers, 255 is recommend at 10" rim width max - and 255m is 10.03 inches.

It looks like the manufacturers recommend that the tyres be wider than the wheels, even at max rim width (based on my limited sample of a limited sample at least).

In your example (205/40 on 8J) 205mm is 8.07 inches. For that to be a stretch, what am I missing? Is the side wall outside the tread width measurement? Is it the amount that the bead is tucked inwards at the inside of the carcass?

this may help





so, even though a 205 is just over 8" wide and a rim is measured at 8" wide, the over all width is nearer 8.5"

now depending on the brand of tyre, profile and if it has a rim protector it will stretch in different ways

some tyres have a square shoulder, some are more curved etc

for the record all falkens tyres, dunlop SP9000's stretch the best

[suchy]

Jus look at thes bad bwoys, tha street cred is sick brev

So much fail

[kangman]

This is the poor guys wheel and tyre set up who received the points and fine. To me the stretch isnt that bad at all

[suchy]

That's not even too ridiculous!! I would have contested that as spray of tyres seems within arch, and tyre does not stick out. Wheels do though which is a sticking point.
Must have been very unlucky

[Grrrmachine]

Wheels out of the arches and clear "bulging of the sidewall". Any copper driving behind that would have seen the poke and thought "fuck me, that can't be right" (as someone else already commented).

Your mate was lucky with only 3 points, to be honest.

[Kos]

Wheels out of the arches and clear "bulging of the sidewall". Any copper driving behind that would have seen the poke and thought "**** me, that can't be right" (as someone else already commented).

Your mate was lucky with only 3 points, to be honest.

you got to love the police and the FM law lol

if they were falkens they would have mounted better, budget tyres for you

[pacerpete]

This is the poor guys wheel and tyre set up who received the points and fine. To me the stretch isnt that bad at all

And there was me thinking he would have a new set of Bridgestones or Michelins...............


Those pics say all that need to be said about these sad gape/stance/stretch c0cks

[DanThe]

155 stretch and 8 inches of poke here on ebay for the phat crew to roll with - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 500wt_1364