Dodgy Buyer!!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:29 am

Duke137 wrote:This is going to be one of those threads.....

ha-ha. I agree. I am just trying to get banned before 100 posts. haha

Anyway, hands up, who would buy a Tech 1 without the Log book ?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:30 am

Steve-E30 wrote:Id rather be a bitch than a conman who still feeds of his mums breast
Run along fool

he's of stocky build don't forget Steve

but he also has hair that can be pulled

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:31 am

mobster wrote:
Duke137 wrote:This is going to be one of those threads.....
ha-ha. I agree. I am just trying to get banned before 100 posts. haha

Anyway, hands up, who would buy a Tech 1 without the Log book ?

These things are never solved on threads EVER

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:32 am

Im impressed with the comeback
Cant be bothered with you either , You just aint worth it pal
Golfman , Dont forget to do a negative thread in the feedback section

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:33 am

magpie wrote:
Steve-E30 wrote:Id rather be a bitch than a conman who still feeds of his mums breast
Run along fool
he's of stocky build don't forget Steve

but he also has hair that can be pulled

A fatty in a tracky with womens hair
Classy

He`ll be on jeremy kyle next

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:38 am

Duke137 wrote:
mobster wrote:
Duke137 wrote:This is going to be one of those threads.....
ha-ha. I agree. I am just trying to get banned before 100 posts. haha

Anyway, hands up, who would buy a Tech 1 without the Log book ?
These things are never solved on threads EVER

Yea i agree with you. However, the seller is saying the VIN numbers match, the buyer is saying the VIN plate is tampered with, but what they are BOTH IN AGREEMENT OVER IS THE FACT THAT THE V5 IS NOT AVAILABLE WITH THE CAR !!!!. Sorry guys, but am i being thick and if so, please feel free to correct me, but how can anyone buy a car without a V5 !!!!!!!!!!!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:41 am

the buyer still put a bid in though

^

and getting arsie with a seller outside his house isn't a good thing.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:41 am

Sounds like you have a reputation? You even threatened to call the police and inform them of my "ringer" you dick! The vin plates haven't been tampered with, they both show the correct vin, you just wanted a tech 1 for peanuts.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:42 am

mobster wrote:
Duke137 wrote:
mobster wrote: ha-ha. I agree. I am just trying to get banned before 100 posts. haha

Anyway, hands up, who would buy a Tech 1 without the Log book ?
These things are never solved on threads EVER
Yea i agree with you. However, the seller is saying the VIN numbers match, the buyer is saying the VIN plate is tampered with, but what they are BOTH IN AGREEMENT OVER IS THE FACT THAT THE V5 IS NOT AVAILABLE WITH THE CAR !!!!. Sorry guys, but am i being thick and if so, please feel free to correct me, but how can anyone buy a car without a V5 !!!!!!!!!!!

Vin was bent as a banana, without the log book verification of it being a Sport, i think many would walk away, with all the rot was a breaker anyway, and that was not what i was after.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:44 am

Mobster, how friendly are you with this guy? Im a genuine Person with a genuine car yet your taking the side of the liar/cheat. Iv bought cars with no v5 before as it means nothing.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:45 am

golfman wrote:Sounds like you have a reputation? You even threatened to call the police and inform them of my "ringer" you dick! The vin plates haven't been tampered with, they both show the correct vin, you just wanted a tech 1 for peanuts.

Listen you fookin retard, if you would of told me u aint got the log book we both would of saved a lot of time, how the fook did it pass the MOT with Baldy tyres.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:46 am

no v5 is a great bargaining tool but some folk do get worried about it but considering the amount of E30's being nicked isint surprising.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:49 am

I'm putting e30ata in for a day while we make a collective decision based on what we see. Thanks for the heads-up messages in inbox.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:50 am

He's just text me this. . .

Uv been to the police I beat u to it u stupid dickhead, I will get my deposit back wait and see I don't need no fuckn claim court

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:51 am

golfman wrote:Mobster, how friendly are you with this guy? Im a genuine Person with a genuine car yet your taking the side of the liar/cheat. Iv bought cars with no v5 before as it means nothing.

Not everyone is you though golfman. Dont just assume that because "you" would buy a car without the correct documentation, that everyone else would or should.
This has got nothing to do with being friendly, and everything to do with doing the right thing. If you are as genuine as you say you are the, then give him back his deposit, and then get the belt out and use it until she finds the friggin V5 !!!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:56 am

golfman wrote:He's just text me this. . .

Uv been to the police I beat u to it u stupid dickhead, I will get my deposit back wait and see I don't need no fuckn claim court

i dont think the police will bother?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:57 am

Iv lost a week of potential sales due to this man, I also mot'ed it at his request. I am the one who has lost out here. If he was that bothered about the v5 why did he ask me what I'd take for the car knowing I couldn't find it?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:01 am

Just give him his money back mate, im with you on this but the last thing you want is trouble on your doorstep, this guy don't seem right with some of the stuff iv seen in this and other threads. Find or apply for V5 and put it back up for sale.

Your not really out of pocket, you got a years m.o.t so will attract proper non-dodgy genuine buyers, even push the price up a bit.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:10 am

+1^

if you dont want any touble just give em his money

as sunnyr83 said a years mot will attract more genuine buyers and will sell a lot quicker

Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:52 am

Fook that!
I might have know it would be him! He's full of p1ss and wind.

Keep his money! He paid a none refundable deposit to hold the car, then tried to lift your leg. This bloke is a complete turd. Ignore him, he will go away in the end, just like all bad smell's!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:20 am

Clearly, someone is telling porkies re Vin plates.
A photo of both plates, sent to someone who is beyond reproach on here, would determine which party is bending the truth.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:31 am

My 2p's worth

Taking a deposit from someone who hasn't seen the car is asking for trouble IMO.

If they want the car that badly they will make the effort to come and see it/get it and either agree a price and leave a deposit then, or come and pay you in full and drive it away.

When selling a car privately I always tell buyers that if they want to do a deal, they view the car, agree a price and drive it away - that way you don't get any of this crap.

if you take a deposit from someone who hasnt viewed the car, what happens if the following day someone rings you who could come and see it and pay you full cash asking price the same day and drive it away ? You tell him "sorry pal but I've just taken £100 off someone I've never met, whose never seen the car in the flesh but says he'll buy it next Tuesday ?"

Madness - when buying cars whoever turns up first with all the money gets the car. If you have to take a deposit from someone because they can't collect the same day then ONLY take their money once they've viewed, test driven and approved the car and you've agreed a price and timescale for collection. Simples.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:41 am

e30ata wrote: without the log book verification of it being a Sport

You supposedly know E30's ?

Since when did saying "Sport" on the logbook actually mean anything ?

Surely a £3 Mytextcheck or even a full blown £20 HPi check together with a quick call to your local dealer with the VIN before you spend any money travelling to see the car or stumping up £100 deposit would tell you exactly what it is.

Sounds to me like you prefer to try and intimidate this seller into thinking his car was dodgy to get it for a lower price with nothing of any substance to actually back it up.

***Edit - just noticed this newly MOT'd "apparently genuine" Tech 1 Sport was up for the eye watering price of £800 - whether it was or wasn't a genuine sport if all the bits were present WTF did you expect for £800 ???

***

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:42 am

Is it really that easy Rob?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:45 am

DanThe wrote:Is it really that easy Rob?

No Dan, finding someone beyond reproach on here could
be difficult.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:47 am

DanThe wrote:Is it really that easy Rob?

Yes. Although you wouldn't think it from some of the monumental feckup stories you read on here

Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:55 am

Someone help me out here please. Are we condoning the fact that a buyer should buy a car without the correct documentation, ie the V5 !!!

Maybe you folks have never been in the situation whereby you have travelled miles to pick up a car and upon arriving the car does not have its paperwork. I have and i can assure you, i will never do it again. No paperwork, no sale. It really is that simple !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:01 am

mobster wrote:Someone help me out here please. Are we condoning the fact that a buyer should buy a car without the correct documentation, ie the V5 !!!

Maybe you folks have never been in the situation whereby you have travelled miles to pick up a car and upon arriving the car does not have its paperwork. I have and i can assure you, i will never do it again. No paperwork, no sale. It really is that simple !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely not - although there are some instances of course where there could be a genuine reason why the V5 isnt present.

As for travelling miles - when you make the call to arrange to view the car is it so hard to tell the seller that if the V5 isn't present you won't be coming to see it ?

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:09 am

mobster wrote:Someone help me out here please. Are we condoning the fact that a buyer should buy a car without the correct documentation, ie the V5 !!!

Maybe you folks have never been in the situation whereby you have travelled miles to pick up a car and upon arriving the car does not have its paperwork. I have and i can assure you, i will never do it again. No paperwork, no sale. It really is that simple !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't speak for anyone else but i;m more interested in finding out
which party, seller or buyer, is lying about the Vin plates and why.

Would i buy a car without a V5?, well yes, IF everything on the car checked out ok I may well do. That would include a HPI check.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:10 am

[/quote]As for travelling miles - when you make the call to arrange to view the car is it so hard to tell the seller that if the V5 isn't present you won't be coming to see it ?[/quote]

That is nonsense. Sorry, but it is the sellers responsibility to ensure "THEIR" paperwork is in order and present before the buyer sets off. The paperwork for the car is basics and if the seller cant ensure the buyer can view the documentation for the car on arrival, then god only help the rest of the transaction.

Come on guys, this is basic stuff. I can forgive the Service History, The manuals.....to some extent the MOT....but the frigging V5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:11 am

Both at fault here; if no V5 is producable, the car cannot be driven. Of course, it can be sold, but remember that a police officer can issue a producer that ALL required documents be submtted to a police station in seven days, and the V5C is one of them, so a car should (note, SHOULD) only be sold if it's being carried away on a trailer.

Considering the V5 is therefore a required document of the vehicle, just like tax, MOT and insurance, it's the seller's duty to inform any buyer that the document is not available, NOT the buyer's duty to ask. Based on that, the buyer deserves his deposit back, and there's not really any counter-argument. "I didn't know I lost it" is still your fault (or your girlfriend's).

As for the buyer; IF he lies and says the VIN plates don't match, and uses this to negotiate a deal, he is entering into a knowingly fraudulent business deal. IF he's telling the truth, and the VIN plates have been tampered with, and he STILL makes an offer, he is admitting that he recognises the illegal history of the car but is still willing to enter into an illegal business deal (that of knowlingly Handling Stolen Goods). From either perspective, neither a criminal court or a civil court will accept his claim of any wrong-doing on the other person's part.

Considering I'm 1000 miles away, I have no interest in either of these two gents OR the car. I'm therefore willing to look at photos of the two plates and verify whether they match or show any signs of tampering, so that the seller can get the car back up for sale with a clean reputation. But both parties involved need a good rap on the knuckles.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:15 am

mobster wrote:

As for travelling miles - when you make the call to arrange to view the car is it so hard to tell the seller that if the V5 isn't present you won't be coming to see it ?[/quote]

That is nonsense. Sorry, but it is the sellers responsibility to ensure "THEIR" paperwork is in order and present before the buyer sets off. The paperwork for the car is basics and if the seller cant ensure the buyer can view the documentation for the car on arrival, then god only help the rest of the transaction.

Come on guys, this is basic stuff. I can forgive the Service History, The manuals.....to some extent the MOT....but the frigging V5 !!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Yes this is true - but If I were travelling any further than 30 minutes away I would ask the seller on the phone when making the arrangements to view what paperwork he has for the car, making particular reference to the V5, current & previous MOT's, Service history and handbooks - anything else such as receipts is a bonus.

I certainly wouldnt be putting diesel in the car, buying train tickets and/or booking time off work to travel from one end of the country to another without getting verbal confirmation of what paperwork is available first !

If you assume ANYTHING when buying a secondhand car you're asking for trouble.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:49 am

I wouldnt be returning the deposit if it was me, I would be welcoming him to come and collect it if I was in your situation.

But saying that, I have dealt with Ata and he has always been a pleasue to deal with to be honest.

I'm not standing up for either side on this unless we see what Ata was saying about the vin plate... But I do think you should be taking a picture of it to either highlight Ata was trying to scam you or whether he was telling the truth and its his reputation on the line here. Even if he doesnt handle situations like this well and turns into a 12 year old with his replies.

That doesnt make him a dodgy trader just yet.

By all means, dont provide pictures, why would you to prove to a bunch of randoms on the internet? But if he was lying, you'll want to show the rest of us. If you cant show us in pictures, then i'll assume Ata wasnt in the wrong...

Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:14 am

I agree. Lets see a picture of the Vin plate and if it is straight as a nail and does not look tampered with then then it looks like you have the support of the forum, however if it looks like it has been removed and if it is as bent as Graham Norton, then boy you are going to get both barrells from this forum i assure you.

Better still, why dont you tell someone where you are. I bet someone from the zone is local and wouldnt mind a Tech 1, i for one would be interested.

The ball is in the court of the seller as far as i am concerned.

Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:22 am

Whats the asking price for the sport too by the way?