F10 520d

[daimlerman]

Does the 120d and 320d use the same chocolate engine as the OP's 520d?

[bss325i]

Yes, all BMW's with the 2.0d built from late 2007 use it. The N47 engine.

That's A LOT of BMW's!

To to be fair, its this engines Achilles heel as the rest of it is superb!

Such a shame to be let down by a simple yet crucial part of sub standard quality.

To be fair, I've yet to hear of anything built after 2011 breaking a chain but the I've been out the network for 8 months now.

They revised the part numbers of all the accociated parts so hopefully latter built engines or ones repaired using the revised parts should not suffer from it again.

[daimlerman]

So post '11 cars should be OK then?
It's the older tackle that's most at risk?

Is there an engine number onwards for us to look out for?

I guess that this engine is a similar issue to the alloy block bore liner problems in the past.

[bss325i]

Well there is no defined date or engine number as such for when all the revised parts were fitted from. but the did revise the guides again in Dec 12.

A read of the most up to date PUMA measure (BMW technical information) will reveal more information.

The only definitive date for anything is that cars built from jan 09 had the improved crank so cars from this date onward do not need a complete strip down to repair, in fact the repair can be done with the engine in situe and without removing the head.

This is of course if the chain has not snapped and is at the point of being noisy.
Also the N47 engine was not just fitted to the *20d models, but also the *16d, *18d and *23d models.

Coincidentally my best mate a literally just taken delivery of a 63 plate F10 520d M sport plus. A very nice car it is too with very good spec.

[Andyboy]

They were revised again in 2013, and again for one of the rails earlier this year - around February time there were no new rails available anywhere for around three weeks. My mate at Sytners is now repairing previously repaired cars that had new bits 2 years ago.

[bss325i]

Not good is it!

I had an E82 in bits during Christmas 2012 and had to wait a month then for the latest rubber coated rails.

Do you know when they were revised in 2013? As that may have been the revision i was waiting for then when the parts turned up in jan 2013.

[afromaan]

Right. They are now asking for 1200 to strip the engine. Still at 50% parts goodwill. The dealership are changing the goal posts every few days. Been quoted a full rebuild from an Indy at around 2k. If they wanna charge 1200 to strip and full diagnostic then I feel like going the other route. What I don't understand is that customer services say that they can't offer anything more until they know the full damage. They originally were saying they just want to know if the chain was broken. They guy at dealership says that the chain is damaged but the engine is turning. What ever that means. What shall I do. Anyone able to put in good words without it messing up any chances of any good news.

[ross_jsy]

Have you contacted BMW UK yet?

[afromaan]

Yes they say that they have been told it's a chain but before they will say anything more about goodwill they want the dealer to fully strip it and that we have to pay for that. And that will not refund any diagnostic cost. Originally they said they just want to know if the chain was damaged or not.

[Brianmoooore]

It's important that you realise that any help with repair costs that BMW offer is not from " the goodness of their heart", but because of their awareness of UK and EU legislation.

The following is a summary of part of the UK Sale of Goods act 1979 and subsequent relevant legislation: " For up to six years after purchase (five years from discovery in Scotland) purchasers can demand damages (which a court would equate to the cost of a repair or replacement).

Ӣ A purchaser who is a consumer, i.e. is not buying in the course of a business, can alternatively request a repair or replacement.

Ӣ If repair and replacement are not possible or too costly, then the consumer can seek a partial refund, if they have had some benefit from the good, or a full refund if the fault/s have meant they have enjoyed no benefit

Ӣ In general, the onus is on all purchasers to prove the goods did not conform to contract (e.g. was inherently faulty) and should have reasonably lasted until this point in time (i.e. perishable goods do not last for six years).

Ӣ If a consumer chooses to request a repair or replacement, then for the first six months after purchase it will be for the retailer to prove the goods did conform to contract (e.g. were not inherently faulty)

Ӣ After six months and until the end of the six years, it is for the consumer to prove the lack of conformity."

You will need to have very deep pockets to launch legal action against BMW using this act, since the details are far from black and white, but you can at least ensure that they know that you are aware of this legislation.

[afromaan]

So I've emails the MD and all sorts. Basically they want me to pay 1200 to asses the damage and then they might re think their offer of 50% off parts. I can't afford 1200 as it is never mind the bill after that. I've been quoted 2k rebuild. Should I do that. Can anyone recommend anyone in birmingham. Any help welcome.

[afromaan]

Paid 2150 for a rebuild no help from bmw. Need to think about selling or keeping the car. Anyone talk to me about driving one of these which has been rebuilt. Is it likely to go pop again?

[afromaan]

Paid 2150 for a rebuild no help from bmw. Need to think about selling or keeping the car. Anyone talk to me about driving one of these which has been rebuilt. Is it likely to go pop again?