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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:27 am

tourerti wrote:We can agree too 20hp gain if you allow the usage of 102 octane fuel as bmw did in there claims.
No.... Ebay ad claims 25 Bhp gains WITH NO MENTION OF 102 OCTANE FUEL..

Ebay ad claims " Giving gains of over 25Bhp." "apposed to our rating of 95 - 98 octane."

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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:32 am

Every car tuner and manufacturer do this.
ChippedUK is no different.
Your losers trying to back out, ChippedUK will stick to the claims and prove it if anyone is willing to come to the plate, stop the chit chat, grow balls and come back.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:34 am

kam - you are talking to a con-man, you will never get an honest or staright forward response. He wont even stick to what he originally promised to do and keeps skirting around the issue. Its clear for all to see, except tourerti himself, that this is all a pile of wank. I personally can't stand conmen, misrepresentation and false advertising and to be honest think that this guy should be told to sling his hook by the mods, as he's just winding people up.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:39 am

Jay has stuck to his agreement, he will provide a chip to give 15hp in the rev range, this is what me and the bloke agreed too.
Nothing has changed, this is still on the table, he even said no chip can give more than 6 or 8 % gains and 15hp is well over that.
You people are looking at what you want.
Jay doesnt need to do this, 95% of you are tight and wouldnt spend a penny on your car so he is not after your business.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:40 am

tourerti wrote:Every car tuner and manufacturer do this.
ChippedUK is no different.
Your losers trying to back out, ChippedUK will stick to the claims and
Making False claims.

I was looking at buying a chip for my 325i.
I am just going by what is advertised on ebay.......

ARE THE CLAIMS TRUE ? (as stated in the ad) or are they just made up like every other car tuner ?
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:43 am

tourerti wrote:Jay has stuck to his agreement, he will provide a chip to give 15hp in the rev range, this is what me and the bloke agreed too.
Nothing has changed, this is still on the table, he even said no chip can give more than 6 or 8 % gains and 15hp is well over that.
You people are looking at what you want.
Jay doesnt need to do this, 95% of you are tight and wouldnt spend a penny on your car so he is not after your business.
I think you are missing the point. Jay is/You are bing asked to prove his/your calims as stated in the ad. whats wrong with that ?
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:43 am

There is not a single lie in any of the adverts, if you think otherwise you have a civil duty to contact trading standards who can check chippeduk out.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:46 am

tourerti wrote:There is not a single lie in any of the adverts, if you think otherwise you have a civil duty to contact trading standards who can check chippeduk out.
So what is wrong with agreeing to 20 Bhp then ? Which is lower than what the advert states.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:48 am

This can be agreed too if we use 102 octane fuel, I am asking for nothing more than any other car company on the plannet does, nothing else.
Lets be honest, at every rolling road event organised by this and every other bmw forum who`s chips and maps have given the top power gains?
Are you all forgetting this.
This is fact, you all know it so whats the score.
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BOOOOOOORING!!!!!

I don't know Jay or his history, but i see his name crop up from time to time on the zone, usually in a negative context. If he's prepared to put his neck on the line then people should give him the chance to see it through before all the mud slinging starts. It seems alot of people contributing to this thread have some kind of grudge with Jay, justified or not i don't know, but surely these comments are better saved for after the test? And let's face it, if the chip does "only" increase power by 15 or 17hp, that's pretty good isn't it? Whatever this guy has done in the past i think he at least deserves a chance to showcase his product. If it fails miserably THEN get the knives out.
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agreed, get on with it.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:51 am

tourerti wrote:This can be agreed too if we use 102 octane fuel,
NO FECKING 102 OCTANE FUEL !!!!!!!

The claims on Ebay are based on 95 - 98 Octane fuel.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:55 am

If you can see any poijnt where jay says gains are 25hp using 95-98 ron then fine, he will be in the wrong but it doesnt say that.
Grow balls and come back.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:01 pm

tourerti wrote:If you can see any poijnt where jay says gains are 25hp using 95-98 ron then fine, he will be in the wrong but it doesnt say that.
Grow balls and come back.
OK, here is the text from the Ebay ad.

"We have worked for months on this chip and to be honest were about to give in but after months of hard work we finally have a chip for the E30 318iS giving gains of over 25hp !!!!!!

No one else in the UK sells a chip in the same league as this and remember when buying from outside of the UK that American and Euro 318iS chips DO NOT WORK in the UK !"


"Q, Why buy from us when others on ebay are sometimes cheaper ?

A, We have a proven record, we have been tested in various magazines and online forums and have ALWAYS proven power gains comming top in many shootout`s, also, you have to remember that when buying from outside the UK that the chips are not designed for your fuel type, chips from the USA, Asia and many Euro states (who copy USA chips are for the lower octane rating of 87 - 92 ron fuel as apposed to our rating of 95 - 98 octane.
This of course doesnt effect our foreign buyers as we do chips for all regions so if your in the USA we can offer chips for the lower octane at no extra charge."

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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:03 pm

Yes, because in the UK only 95-98 octane is availible at the pump.
If it said you will get 25hp from 95-98 octane then fine.
Your just clutching at straws.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:09 pm

Lord i cant even be bothered to read this anymore. Kos if Jay is saying he can get the claimed figure from just a chip, does it really matter what type of pertrol he uses? He can fart in his bloody tank for all i care, but the point is that chip would still have to be preety good to give 15 to 17bhp doesn't it?

I dont know J personally, but i bought a chip from him for my 325 before and whilst i dont know what type of figures my car was running, it did feel a lot faster and smoother, so i cant say he's a con man. At the end of the day, the man is willing to put his reputation on the line here, so i think you should either accept his challange or just let things go. I've heard good and bad things about chipped uk, but fcuk i could tell you bad things about BMW themselves and how they ripped me off Ԛ£1k to fix my roof and the fcuker still didnt work, but we dont start a thread bashing them every 5 minutes do we?. The point i'm trying to make is that every trader hes it's satisfied and unsatisfied customers, but that dont mean everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and start chatting crap they know nothing about. I can understand Mfree and a couple of others here having an issue with J cause they think rightly or wrongly that he's fcuked up their engine, but the rest of the folks here are just s@it stiring and i think is disgraceful personally. J dont post here slagging us off, so lets leave the man alone to run his business without a slanging match every 5 minutes. We have Ant our resident well respected chip supplier here. People can go to him if they want and that should be that. Mods i think you should consider locking this thread cause it would just become like the Mfree thread and go on and on with accusations and stuff. Now lets all take a chill pill and have a group hug :group: :wink:
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:13 pm

tourerti wrote:Yes, because in the UK only 95-98 octane is availible at the pump.
If it said you will get 25hp from 95-98 octane then fine.
Your just clutching at straws.
You make me larfffff...

It states in the advert that they are programmed/mapped for 95-98 Octane, nowhere in the advert is 102 Octane mentioned, not even a get out clause in small print at the bottom saying " Gains claimed are using 102 Octane fuel "

I dont have anything yourself or Jay, as i have never met you or jay, but you are digging a hole for yourself, If the gains were gotten using 102 Octane Fuel, THEN WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE ADVERT ?.

I would be quite happy to see this, max +25bhp using 102, max +20Bhp using 95-98.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:16 pm

bootyman wrote:Lord i cant even be bothered to read this anymore. Kos if Jay is saying he can get the claimed figure from just a chip, does it really matter what type of pertrol he uses? He can fart in his bloody tank for all i care, but the point is that chip would still have to be preety good to give 15 to 17bhp doesn't it?

I dont know J personally, but i bought a chip from him for my 325 before and whilst i dont know what type of figures my car was running, it did feel a lot faster and smoother, so i cant say he's a con man. At the end of the day, the man is willing to put his reputation on the line here, so i think you should either accept his challange or just let things go. I've heard good and bad things about chipped uk, but fcuk i could tell you bad things about BMW themselves and how they ripped me off Ԛ£1k to fix my roof and the fcuker still didnt work, but we dont start a thread bashing them every 5 minutes do we?. The point i'm trying to make is that every trader hes it's satisfied and unsatisfied customers, but that dont mean everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and start chatting crap they know nothing about. I can understand Mfree and a couple of others here having an issue with J cause they think rightly or wrongly that he's fcuked up their engine, but the rest of the folks here are just s@it stiring and i think is disgraceful personally. J dont post here slagging us off, so lets leave the man alone to run his business without a slanging match every 5 minutes. We have Ant our resident well respected chip supplier here. People can go to him if they want and that should be that. Mods i think you should consider locking this thread cause it would just become like the Mfree thread and go on and on with accusations and stuff. Now lets all take a chill pill and have a group hug :group: :wink:
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:19 pm

bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, bluff, .................sorry. must have a nervous twitch or something.

must be the symtoms again, im alergic to bullshit you see. :)

jay, call yourself a bussiness man? your farting around on forums like this most of the day. :roll:

hes like a snake really. notice how hes slivering around the questions. but hes a transparent snake at that.

loving all the reverse psychology hes giving out. possibly been reading books.

come on whens this RR thing then. im sure this kos bloke wont back down. so 25bhp with normal fuel yes? this will be great. i think jays sweating like a peadophile in mothercare. :)
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:48 pm

kam-325i wrote:
tourerti wrote:remember when buying from outside of the UK that American and Euro 318iS chips DO NOT WORK in the UK !"[/b]

"Q, Why buy from us when others on ebay are sometimes cheaper ?

A, We have a proven record, we have been tested in various magazines and online forums and have ALWAYS proven power gains comming top in many shootout`s, also, you have to remember that when buying from outside the UK that the chips are not designed for your fuel type, chips from the USA, Asia and many Euro states (who copy USA chips are for the lower octane rating of 87 - 92 ron fuel as apposed to our rating of 95 - 98 octane.
This of course doesnt effect our foreign buyers as we do chips for all regions so if your in the USA we can offer chips for the lower octane at no extra charge."
Errr... fuel in the USA is described in terms of its Pump Octane which is the average of its RON (Research Octane Number) and MON (Motor Octane Number)
Care to explain why a chip from another country will not work? I've heard rumours of a BMW motorsport chip for the iS in germany, anyone know anything about this?

Anyway can we just forget this whole silly money/15vs20vs25bhp/95vs98vs102RON thing and just try a before and after with a chip on a std 318is running 95RON fuel at a rolling road day?
I'm sure if the chip works and the gains are reasonable that will satisfy most people
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:53 pm

I would agree with you, What are the real gains using everyday joe bloggs petrol....
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:23 pm

Your own mod used one as do many others here and only goos stories about them are told, real terms power gains on like for like fuel is around the 17hp mark.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:34 pm

tourerti wrote:Your own mod used one as do many others here and only goos stories about them are told, real terms power gains on like for like fuel is around the 17hp mark.
Cheers, just what i wanted know, real figures. whats wrong with putting that in the advert...? A true and honest figure.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:47 pm

tourerti wrote:why are you hiding behind a hidden username then ?
I wouldnt for the life of me even think about a child molester in a kids store so how come you did ?
being sick is ok, people can live with the fact you have a warped mind, water off a ducks back my friend
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jay, i thought you would have a sence of humour considering your such a joke yourself.

although i would call you more of a rapist when it comes to your dealings. are you into anal sex?? i think you are because to tend shaft a percentage of your "customers".

like i said. im not out to destroy your "bussiness" as ive heard a few good things from word of mouth with regards to your chips, but inturn i have heard bad things about them. you say you havent fucced anyone over but what about my mate? he bought a chip from you about 2 years back. it took you months to send him the chip, and even then it was the wrong one!. he then contacted you for you to again piss him about for even longer. he got bored, and then hes -Ԛ£50 out of pocket. great customer service mate.

ok, water under the bridge etc, but theres still alot of people talking even now.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:02 pm

Sorry folks, we are soooooooooooo way off topic here now, all slanging matches may continue via the PM function, this thread has run its course.

we will re-open if all non related posts are removed by those that posted them.


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This thread re-opened as requested via PMs, any further ventures off topic will result in the thread being deleted !

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:15 pm

right lads, this is back open again but lets keep it clean please

toretti/jay you pm'd me

98 octane and we'll se what you can do with a plug in chip you advertise on e-bay. no money, no bollocks

lets just see what it can do

we'll let the zone decide what they want

just for the record

YOU CLAIM 25HP NOT STATING FUEL REQUIERMENTS, WE HAVE 98 OCTANE AVAILABLE

if you do not do what you claim its bye bye
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:34 pm

Excellent!

Noble's rolling road seem to read quite acurately and consistently. is it possible to go there?
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:46 pm

Just to let you know that Jay has agreed to chip my 325i (standard as far as I know) on Friday...Prior to which, on Weds (tomorrow) I am getting a power run done at Redline Tuning in Iver (cos I know that they are good and they are local to me). This will provide a baseline against which to measure the improvements.

Following the work, I'm gonna give the car a blast from Bromsgrove to Manchester and back to Reading...That should be enough to get an idea of the subjective value of the chip (as opposed to the quantifiable increase..or not...of the power of the modification)...

Then on Monday, or as soon as practicable, Redline will re-test the car on a power run...

I'll write up the findings next week

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:02 pm

redlines RR aint too good, john who runs it is very good at setting up carbs. personally i'd use power engineering in uxbridge. 5 mins from redline.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:10 pm

JAY
ARE WE ON OR WHAT, YOU BRING A CHIP DOWN I PUT SOME SUPERUNLEADED IN MY CAR AND DO A 2 POWER RUNS, BEFORE AND AFTER.
NO MONEY MO BULLSHIT

INDEPENDANT ROLLING ROAD, JOHN NOBLE SOUNDS GOOD BUT YOU PAY FOR THE USE OF IT AS ITS YOU WHO NEED TO CLEAR YOU NAME. IF YOU GET THE 20hp I'LL PAY FOR THE LOT. CHIP AND ROLLERS COST FOR 2 POWER RUNS.

HOWEVER REMEMER CAR MUST STILL BE SMOOH AND DRIVABLE WITH A DECENT MAX HP GAIN TO OF 12-15 HP AND NOT GO OTT ON EMISIONS, MUST BE ABLE TO BE MOT PASSABLE
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:53 pm

Kos wrote:redlines RR aint too good, john who runs it is very good at setting up carbs. personally i'd use power engineering in uxbridge. 5 mins from redline.
fair enuff...you have your criteria, etc....But Redline have always been briliiant in setting up all my racing cars and they've done a few of people I know, too, including a fairly wild Escort RS.

I am only aiming to get a baseline figure to compare against...

I'm interested in how much extra power and driveability Jays chip will produce..bearing in mind my car is standard and I use it as an everyday driver. So the end result needs to be driveable first with power gains second.

I know Redline, they are 10mins drive from where I work, so John can do the runs in my lunch breaks...
Never used power engineering is all....

I'm interested in the result without all the bullshit posturing....
My car runs on normal unleaded and I assume (and hope) it will continue to do so.
I have no agenda, either way...If it is good and produces any sort of quantifiable increase in power or torque, I'll say so....If it is a dog to drive and the power is unchanged, you'll all be the first to know....

I contacted Jat after Tourerti posted the thread mentioned in my previous post as I have been interested in having a chip fitted but have been put off by all the bullshit stuff recently....

Obviously I am hoping it is worthwhile as I'm devoting Ԛ£40 in RR fees and a day of my time, plus fuel, to get the job done...But I'm also prepared for the whole affair to be a waste of effort and money...But it will be for Jay, too, and I'm sure, as a businessman, he will not want that!
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:04 pm

Kos wrote:redlines RR aint too good, john who runs it is very good at setting up carbs. personally i'd use power engineering in uxbridge. 5 mins from redline.
Doesn't really matter for a comparison. THe actual figures might be wrong but the difference between them will be the same % wise.
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Kos wrote: Doesn't really matter for a comparison. THe actual figures might be wrong but the difference between them will be the same % wise.


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