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[Andy325i]

cheers Ian, Those were the numbers on the ECP website. Where did you get yours from mate? ECP didn't have any anyway and GSF don't do them

[ian332isport]

cheers Ian, Those were the numbers on the ECP website. Where did you get yours from mate? ECP didn't have any anyway and GSF don't do them

I got mine from the dealer (those are the dealer prices I listed - inc VAT).

To be honest, I get most of my stuff from the dealer. It's quite rare that ECP work out cheaper once you add VAT and their rip off delivery charges (my dealer gives me at least 10% on all parts ). Possibly cheaper if you can collect, but I don't have one anywhere near me.

Cheers,

Ian.

[Andy325i]

Top Man once again Ian! Ty!

Will try them in the Morning

[ian332isport]

Top Man once again Ian! Ty!

Will try them in the Morning

The dealer probably won't have them in stock, but if you ask nicely, they can usually get them next day.

Ian.

[Andy325i]

Removed this post as it was about the Master Cylinder not the servo

[Andy325i]

To be honest, I get most of my stuff from the dealer. It's quite rare that ECP work out cheaper once you add VAT and their rip off delivery charges (my dealer gives me at least 10% on all parts ). Possibly cheaper if you can collect, but I don't have one anywhere near me.

Cheers,

Ian.

Hi Ian,

Do ECP and the Dealer charge you for delivery then?

We get both of ours delivered for free

Engine Mounts ordered, will be here tuesday

Did you change your theromostat housing from plastic to metal? Could it be done in situe?

With the hose that comes out of the back of the waterpump did you use the later one or the earlier one? I have read on the turners website you need a small metal tube to make this work.

Thermostat Housing:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/de ... 1531722531

TMS coolent hose adaptor:

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/de ... _ID=TMSCHA

Kind regards

Andy

[Andy325i]

Am I right in thinking we just use change the Master Cylinder for the Mk2 golf unit or is it the servo unit as well?

did you have to alter your pipes to fit?

[randomdave325]

just use the e30 mastercylinder on the other servo. fits ok and you know it's gonna work. just make a spacer where the rod is too short in the servo. you don't have to mess around with brake pipes/ fluid then.

[Andy325i]

Hi mate, so I need the golf Mk2 Servo and the E30 servo right?


cheers for the help dude!

Andy

[randomdave325]

pictures speak a thousand words

standard e30 325 engine bay. note servo size by heater pipes

golf servo in( note size difference by heater pipes). standard e30 master cylinder (don't look at rust lol)

car lookin scared! me looking happy behind the camera.e30 servo on the floor!

engine in. car looking happy(er)! me very happy!

note servo/ inlet manifold clearance. plenty of room. just got to work out where to put the p/s reservoir now

hope pics help

[ian332isport]

Hi Ian,

Do ECP and the Dealer charge you for delivery then?

We get both of ours delivered for free

Engine Mounts ordered, will be here tuesday

Did you change your theromostat housing from plastic to metal? Could it be done in situe?

With the hose that comes out of the back of the waterpump did you use the later one or the earlier one? I have read on the turners website you need a small metal tube to make this work.

Thermostat Housing:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/de ... 1531722531

TMS coolent hose adaptor:

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/de ... _ID=TMSCHA

Kind regards

Andy

Hi Andy,

I don't pay delivery from the dealer (I collect), but ECP charge silly amounts for even small parts. I'd rather pay a few more quid and get genuine bits, and not have to wait in for posty

I did not need to change my thermostat housing, or the pipe. Both are already aluminium on the Evo engine.

Cheers,

Ian.

[randomdave325]

i agree with ian on the genuine parts! not really that expensive and you know it's up for the job!
any chance of a pic of your manifold ian? looked at using a m3 manifold and looked way to curvy to fit?
did you have one made or just modificate it yourself?

[ian332isport]

any chance of a pic of your manifold ian? looked at using a m3 manifold and looked way to curvy to fit?
did you have one made or just modificate it yourself?

I used the original Evo manifold, but had it modified to fit the E30 shell etc.

The front half of the manifold is pretty much left alone, just the outlet pipe from the 3 to 1 collector that get's modified. It's the rear manifold that needs a lot more work to clear the steering column, bulkhead & crossmember. Unfortunatley, I don't have much info on what exactly was done. I just took it to the exhaust place and told them to make it fit. This they did, but did an absolutely horrible job on No6 header pipe. I have since taken it to BTB exhausts in Daventry to be sorted, and it's much, much better now.

No photo's unfortunately

Ian.

[randomdave325]

nice one ian. hard too take pics i'd reckon. not much room down there.
did you get any further with any pics of yours will?
i could do with knowing where your p/s reservoir, and ecu/relays are mounted. save a bit of head scratching.
tuesday is manifold day! gotta take a pic of the blues flames comin out the head first looks well phat.
loud tho. will take pics and post them as i go. hopefully be up and rockin by thursday. fully functional low geared racer.
be amusing up to a ton i reckon.

[6potWil6pot]

I havent used the car during the day since i last posted so cant get a pic
I should be using it tommo tho so i'll grab a pic then!
ECU is mouted with cable ties where the E30 one is meant to go, under the steering column, the ps resoviour is where it normally is i "think" i havnt noticed.

[Brianmoooore]

Just moved my steering resevoir around the front of the strut turret a bit.
ECU position depends on what loom you're using, but with an E34 loom it can fit on the front battery tray, along with the three relays, and in a suitable enclosure of course.

[randomdave325]

Just moved my steering resevoir around the front of the strut turret a bit.
ECU position depends on what loom you're using, but with an E34 loom it can fit on the front battery tray, along with the three relays, and in a suitable enclosure of course

using the e34 loom and it all kinda fit there quite nicely. have to find a nice watertight box then i reckon.

the ps reservior is where it normally is i "think" i havnt noticed.

it must of moved as is where the air hose to the maf is . if you check pics above you can see how tight it is. while you're there with your camera m8
gonna go with your e28 diff idea brian. just change the output flanges and the back cover yeah? fritz bitz is only up the road and that is an 80's bm graveyard. should be no shortage of e28 bits there. rich up there is sound as foook! so shouldn't cost 2 much (hopefully). be easier than trying to find an e30 item i reckon. rich drove my h26 shortly before i raped it. said it reminded him of an e21. the ultimate compliment from him.
it was quick tho. got absolutly wasted by it earlier when i was in my m8's standard sport. the car it's in looks identical to mine (other than the is splitter) bit freaky really. i'm dropping 17bhp with this conversion(h26 was 207 on the rollers, 157 at the wheels. m50 is about 190. but will tell you for sure when it's on the rollers friday. have a graph comparison).
just make me more determined. more scope for modifying on the m50. m20 had not a lot left to give.

[Brianmoooore]

Diff mod is very simple. Just lever the flanges ouwards and they unclip. Rear cover is a straight swap.
You can fit new oil seals and cover gasket as well if you want to be fussy.

[Karan]

looking good there mate!!!

great to see it come together isnt it!

best of luck with the niggly bits left

[randomdave325]

Diff mod is very simple. Just lever the flanges ouwards and they unclip. Rear cover is a straight swap.
You can fit new oil seals and cover gasket as well if you want to be fussy.

thats the plan then. sweet as. cheers m8

looking good there mate!!!

great to see it come together isnt it!

best of luck with the niggly bits left

hiya karan. how u doin. yeah m8 is goin well so far. i love it when a plan comes together. how your m5 creation goin? i'm stonkin around in a e34 535 manual atm. (for sale for a conversion Ԛ£400 if anyone wants it. blatent plug. sorry) it is the ultimate drift machine. due to the longer wheelbase and lsd i reckon. you can just hang it for ever ( well till it runs out of fuel lol) hope you've been abusing your 5 before it gets raped. the m5 must be hours of fun( if a little juicey). is the lump in yet? or are you still playing in it?

[6potWil6pot]

Another pic of the Manifold and Brake servo setup, got them just now.[/list]

[Karan]

my m5 before i stripped it was a seriously easy car to drive..... arse out at 90mph in the wet forst time i drove it.... easier to drift than an e30 could ever be.. but ultimately less agile and more obese....lol

mines comin along nicely.... bit of a setback with having to fork put for a genuine e28 rad and thermostat housing but other than that im on track... but im at uni with exams currently happeningso getting going again in jjune to be honest.... should be done by end of july....

heres a link to the progress http://www.e30zone.co.uk/modules.php?na ... pic&t=6382

[randomdave325]

nice one will. thanks

[randomdave325]

mines comin along nicely.... bit of a setback with having to fork put for a genuine e28 rad and thermostat housing but other than that im on track... but im at uni with exams currently happeningso getting going again in jjune to be honest.... should be done by end of july....

looking good tho m8. will be an animal. be more of a problem trying to keep it straight at 90 in the rain i reckon. wicked. bloody rad, electric fans etc init. having fun and games with that as some one nicked my e34 one from the scrappy and i have to find another one now. i've got an e36 one but they are different and the e34 one will drop straight in. might just use the e30 one for the time being. i'm gonna wire the fan to the a/c switch in the dash. haven't got a/c but i like the cool blue colour they light up. instead of a/c it would be more e/c. if you get what i mean

[Andy325i]

Hi guys, how are we all doing?

Here are my latest developments:

The 320i engine is Sold so will be removing it over the next couple of days

The 525i engine is ready to come out, will do tommorrow.

My E28 M5 Engine Mounts should be here tommorrow from the stealers.

Here is my B28:



If anyone can answer any of the following I would be most greatful

1)What Gearbox Mounts are best to use? and with which Crossmember?

2)I am using the M52 Gearbox, what prop can I use? E30 M3 rings a bell, thought someone said but can't find it

3)Will the E36 rad hoses fit if I use the E30 320 radiator?

4)What throttle cable do I need?

5)How much is the sump gasket from the stealers?

6)Is it a gasket or rubber "O" ring in the oil pump pick up?

7)Does anyone have a spare ICV for an M50 or know where I can get one cheap?

8)What ratio is the 320i diff?

9)How do I have to modify the Exhaust manifold? Is it just the rear one that needs modifing? Is it made of normal steel? I.e. can I cut and weld it?



Once again thanx for any help guys


How about when we are all done we have a 24v (and 32v!!!!) Meet somewhere?

[Jhonno]

1)What Gearbox Mounts are best to use? and with which Crossmember?

2)I am using the M52 Gearbox, what prop can I use? E30 M3 rings a bell, thought someone said but can't find it

325i standard with the m52 box

M3 prop

[Andy325i]

1)What Gearbox Mounts are best to use? and with which Crossmember?

2)I am using the M52 Gearbox, what prop can I use? E30 M3 rings a bell, thought someone said but can't find it

325i standard with the m52 box


M3 prop

Is that E30 325i mounts dude?

Which bits of the E30 M3 Prop?

[Jhonno]

yeah and all of it

[Andy325i]

cheers mate! Have you started yours yet?

[6potWil6pot]

Just thinking, can you get an E36 rack into an E30 multi valve engine bay? Im just wondering about the manifold clearance issues...

[Jhonno]

cheers mate! Have you started yours yet?

not yet.. still looking for a suitable engine!! I've kinda starter it in a way as i gotta do a manual conversion as well so im doing that n also dropping in an m20 2.5 for now... Hope for the m50/52 to be in by July depending on how much other bits cost

[Karan]

Just thinking, can you get an E36 rack into an E30 multi valve engine bay? Im just wondering about the manifold clearance issues...

having seen ure engine bay many times wil.... i think u should be ok wiht ure current manifold mods..

or u could just buy a focus diesel with a quicker rack but is wrong wheel drive LOL

[6potWil6pot]

Actually my eyes are on something else wrong wheel drive, something slightly more sporty...
We'll see anyway, got the bonnet redone and the viscous off today. Much better for it!

[Toby_Unna]

i think i might know what car you mean Will

still FWD wrongness tho

get a mk1 mr2 7700rpm!

[randomdave325]

hello people. been a busy couple days. i'll tell it in pictures and some of you might find it useful. for the lack of manifold. i used a 96 e36 manifold. with the downpipe flange cut of the front half fits no problem but the rear still is in the way of the steering.

e36 96 rear manifold (downpipe flange removed)

i cut about this much (don't measure anything sorry)out of the pipes.
a rough guide is go straight from the back of the plug as you can

you are left with this

clean everything(v important) around where you are about to weld and tack it back together straight

refit on the head and check for clearance. unfortunately. it not quite as easy as this. i had to tilt it more in towards the block so marked roughly 5 mm off the bottom and polished it with a grinder and flapwheel at an angle down to it. tack it back on and try again. on the 2nd attempt looks like this. had no time to take pics as was kinda busy

when it was ready to weld i bolted it to an e34 cast manifold so it wouldn't warp the flange. it would have been annoying to get it all together and not fit the head

i was left with this.

and this.

which fits ok.

this does not? it works but would intrested to hear how other people overcame this. i used e36 gearlinkage as e30 and e34 did not fit at all. still looks a bit short tho. i fully abused it and it seemed up for it. see how it goes init

i didn't know you needed a m3 prop. (until i read it just then ) so instead amassed a collection of props and went on a mission. from the left.
e36 318 front half, e36 donut. e36 318 with an e36 centre bearing(too long). e36 325 (with e30 centre bearing). e36 325 (flange too big). e30 325. ( too small and the spline is on the opposite end to the later ones).

e30 centre bearing (right) working backwards but the right way(if that makes sense)

to mount the bearing you have to make the metal dust seal smaller to fit without hitting the rubber but still being a dust seal(will make sence if you see it) should look like this.

right. from the front. e36 318 donut and front half of prop, e30 center bearing. e36 325 rear half. still not 100% till it runs but fits and looks ok note. do not buy an e34 rad for Ԛ£40 quid as it won't fit

use an e36 325 one instead. you need to remove the n/s radiator mount and use 2 o/s ones instead.it just clips in as if bmw must have known

i'n using a citroen zx (don't laugh) electric fan as it looks like it likes it there and is up for the job.

and finally. the standard e30 servo up against the porsche 944 one. the important bit is the rod in the middle is the same length as the e30. where the golf one isn't. i'm gonna run the golf one as i have suggested it and see how it goes.

all of this is rolling development i'll know for sure when it's finished if it all works. but this took me 2 days. so gives you an idea of what you're up against and hopefully save some time. i still don't know if it's all gonna work but hopefully be mobile on friday all being