Sean's M30 conversion (rust and bodge horror show pics)

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Hi Guys

I’ve had a couple of e30’s before now but both were autos and I’ve been hankering after a manual with a bit more power. I’ve done a lot of reading and decided to do the M30 conversion because it seemed the most straightforward. The M52 looks a great swap too, but harder for a novice. I’ve done basic servicing on my e30s before but nothing this involved so it’s going to be a steep learning curve. I will be asking lots of questions of the m30 heros for sure! After buying a shift linkage off Jimbob on here we got talking via PM and he suggested I should get a thread up. Jim’s been a great help and answered many questions already, thanks to a top zoner. Threads by other M30 zoners like Rav, LeeParkes, Ziggy and Bristol_Jer have been great reads. The wiki has been a great reference point which I've used a lot, if I can take any pics to add to the wiki during this build then please ask. It would be good to give something back to a resource I've found so useful. I’ll use this thread as my introduction to the zone too.

I have mainly basic tools and will be hiring the engine crane when needed.

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Ratchet set and torque wrench from Lidl believe it or not. Feels good quality.

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Two sets bought from Halfords in the sale.

I’ll be making the best of what I’ve got here and hiring or buying additional tools if needed.

So here is my rap sheet of previous e30s

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316 auto moordoor, on paper the lowest of the low e30! But it was nice looking thing which snapped up on ebay for £240 and specced up over the course of about a year. Unfortunately these sort of gems don’t come up anymore, think they have all died out.

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My 325i, had this since 2007. I’ve always thought the skirts were tech 1 and the rear bumper was zender but perhaps someone can confirm?

As you can see I have a chrome habit!


Now onto the conversion.

The donor

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Shes a lovely old barge that I bought off an old chap up in Kent. It was a long way from Wales to get it but these I haven't been seeing many M30 manuals recently so I decided to bite the bullet and buy it. Train on the way up then M25 to M4 all the way back, cruise control was very handy here. Got stuck in M25 traffic and no overheating. A good sign.

I don’t have an e30 to drop this in yet but I’m scouring Ebay, Gumtree, autotrader and the like. I would love a 2 door chromie, but a cheap touring could sway me as I wouldn’t have to convert to discs and 51mm struts at a later date. A tech II sport with a serious engine failure could be tempting too. I want ideally a non runner project car so to keep costs down. I am not going for a moordoor this time round.

To keep the conversion simple:

I want a manual, injection engine with return fuel line with the C101 round plug (montronic?), I know all these things could be changed later but I’m a novice so it adds to the complexity for me.

The body has to be in good shape. I’ve been to see a few cars and travelled a fair way but I wasn’t happy with the rust although it was described as minimal by the seller.

This one I turned down.

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I welcome Pms if anyone is selling an e30 which fits the spec.

Ok well now I’ll dive in to the mandatory ripping engine out pics. Having not down this before I made a few mistakes like putting the balance bar on the wrong way so couldn’t turn the handle when the engine tilted and forgetting the clutch line was still attached, but in the end perseverance paid off and the engine was out and I had learnt a hell of a lot.

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The car when we started

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Bonnet off, Airbox removed and exhaust manifold removed (didn’t snap any studs! :D )

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Coil removed, manifolds clear.

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This must be the power distribution block that needs a live feed referred to in the wiki.

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Couldn’t work out how this came off in the end I just pulled the engine out with the hoist and it popped off. Any clues on how to refit?

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Getting the prop shaft undone was a right pain under the car with no room to get a big wrench on there. Turns out propshaft bolts aren’t undone counter clockwise like I thought. Managed to shear one of the nuts clean off the bolt before realising this!

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Balance bar on the wrong way!

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Sorted but engine crane didn’t quite go high enough, will shorten the straps when it goes back in. Another lesson learned me thinks.

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A lot of jiggling and pushing the car and slowly by slowly it came over the slam panel.

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Not quite enough clearance with the straps as we had done them so will have to take care when it goes back in. As you can see it was pouring with rain which didn’t help the mood!

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The lump stored safe and sound, very tired and fed up by this point.
I’m collecting important bits and I'm ebaying my e34 trinkets to raise funds.

My e34 had:
Heated black leather w armrests, rear reading lights, fogs, rear parcel blind, cruise, OBC which have all been ebayed.
Work in progress is as follows

Exhaust ”“ I’m slowly putting the exhaust together as per the wiki.

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Picked up a few parts from a nice chap in Cardiff breaking a sport, got downpipes, centre silencer, prop and front springs, Thanks Anton! First thing was to chop the 325i downpipes and sand them ready for paint.

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M20 pipes sprayed up and ready to fit.

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M30 manifolds and downpipes were hacksawed off the donor car. Couldn’t separate the bolts holding the two together, even with plenty of WD40 and tried new nuts. I want to clean up the exhaust for paint before refitting.

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On closer inspection we saw this

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Sockets, wrenches, stud extractors (bought on an impulse) and mole grips later I gave up and popped down to our local garage.

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Couple of hours later”¦ asked if he wanted any £ and he said chuck a couple of quid in the tea kitty. Nice to have an old skool friendly mechanic nearby.

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Mated to centre silencer

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When I got the sport springs they were rusted and not at all easy on the eye. I set about sanding them down and prepping for paint.

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Ready to refit.

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Propshaft given a lick of paint, seemed like a good idea when it was out and I had black spray paint to hand.

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I think the rubber donut on my prop is past its best. I guess the sport that it came off didn’t have an easy life. Will need replacing.

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Whereas the E34 item appears to be in good nick. I need an e30 325i output flange, I believe this part number also cross references with e34 520i m50 gearbox too. PM me if you have a buggered gearbox and I can buy the flange.
I have oil all over this area, I read one of Brianmoooores posts saying it is more likely to be the input selector seal leaking that the output shaft seal as these hardly ever go. To my untrained eye the selector seal looks OK?

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Jim’s 325i linkage turned up in record time, bushes were in great condition just like he said. Cheers Jim

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Lined up next to the M30 linkage it is replacing.

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Removed these items for clean up and light restoration, the inlet manifold has a nice layer of factory yellow stuff (corrosion prevention?) so I won’t be painting the rocker cover just cleaning to bare metal and going for the retro look. I could change my mind on this as the build develops.

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Start with this and see how we get on

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Having removed the rocker cover I had a look at the valve gear and there were no broken rockers or anything obvious, the spray bar feels tight and has not come loose. Does anything here look excessively worn? I remember Jim had a good nick M30 camshaft should I need to replace this one.

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Some more pics if that helps.

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The landrover V8 mounts. These look pretty beefy to me they are 37mm thick, looking at getting some steel spacers to make up to 50mm

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Few gaskets to do. The sump is a priority as that was leaking oil badly.

Parts still needed

1. A clean e30!
2. Engine mounts
3. e28 M535i rad, pipes and T-piece (will ebay new rad)
4. M30 water pump
5. Possibly e28 fly and clutch
6. Spacers for landrover mounts
7. Lots I haven't thought of

While this was all going on the 5 was taken away. A local company from Pontypool came to collect. I was surprised how he removed the e34 but I’ll let the pics do the talking.

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Thanks for reading guys and really hope to get some feedback on my conversion as it happens. :D
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Sun May 05, 2013 5:04 pm

Frig, an E34 on a skip. you dont see that every day. Good luck with the conversion :cool:
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Sun May 05, 2013 6:31 pm

Nice to see another m30 conversion, looks like you are doing a proper job on it too :)

If you get stuck with anything then don't hesitate to send a PM over and I'll try my best to help you out.

You can also use an e36 328i propshaft, which will mean you can use the standard m30 output flange and your good condition prop donut.

Lee Parkes on here does the engine mount arms.

e28 m535 rads arent cheap new, but they fit nicely. You will also need an electric cooling fan, don't bother with the ebay cheap ones, they aren't up to the job of keeping the engine cool on a hot day. I went for a Kenlowe which works perfectly.

Love the e34 in a skip pic too by the way! :D
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Sun May 05, 2013 6:58 pm

this man is a M30 GOD !!!

Respect to you Sir

this is now my favourite thread on the zone

great to see another M30's e30, those 24v girls must be crying in their beer tonight

M30 For the WIN !!

I'm pretty thick at all this stuff but if you need anything let me know

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Sun May 05, 2013 7:10 pm

to the guys running the m30 what mpg do you get ?
would you say a well sorted m52 can give you a hard time paced wise ?
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:17 pm

If you are worried about mpg then you probably shouldn't be thinking about an m30! On paper an m52'd and m30'd e30 should be similar power wise. I've been out on trackdays with e36 328i's, pretty even on the straights but my e30 is usually a fair bit quicker through the corners :twisted:
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:24 pm

Thanks guys, appreciate the offers of help and general encouragement. Really feeling the M30 love :group:

I'm considering the 328i prop then. Could be cheaper than buying a gearbox (just for the output flange) and a new m20 donut. I'll see what comes up on the bay first.

I'm going to avoid a cheap fan, last thing I want is the engine cooking after all my hard work. Kenlowe sounds like a good shout.

Haha Jim I wouldn't say that but cheers :D

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Just cleaned up the rocker and oil filter housing for now. Sprayed the rocker mount to see how it would come out, its quite bright. Think I'll keep it the rest looking used for now, can always paint it later.
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:31 pm

its not much i'm worried about mpg just curious .
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:39 pm

Osamam3 wrote:its not much i'm worried about mpg just curious .
To be fair, for daily driving the m30 probably isn't too bad if you aren't too heavy with your right foot, it has loads of torque so you don't need to rev it that hard to make decent progress
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:43 pm

sounds like a cool set up .
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:45 pm

i haven't seen a e34 535 for sale in a while i guess donors are hard to find now .
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:50 pm

Osamam3 wrote:i haven't seen a e34 535 for sale in a while i guess donors are hard to find now .
They don't come up as often anymore, one here:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-BMW-535- ... 3381f28805
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:01 pm

Sean, your cam shaft looked fine to me. I'll hold on to the spare one i have in case anyone needs it, it's not worth anything anyway. I had it on ebay for 19.99 and it didn't sell !!

Would it be really cheeky if i asked you a favour? when you get your engine mount spacers made up, could you get an extra pair done for me also please? Happy to cover costs of course and an extra £10 for the trouble if you could?

That would be really apprecaited if you didn't mind

thanks
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:08 pm

No problem at all Jim. It might not be until I get the engine mounting arms then I can work out the best way to do it.
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:18 pm

that would be fab, thanks :D The rate you're going that donk will be in next week :D
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:32 pm

This thread is good readin' ! Need popcorn now and more pics.!!!
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much better than sunday night tv :)
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:41 pm

For spacers, have a look on ebay for aluminium offcuts in the correct thickness. Get yourself a cheap bi-metal holesaw and you're sorted :)
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Mon May 13, 2013 12:12 am

Osamam3 wrote:to the guys running the m30 what mpg do you get ?
would you say a well sorted m52 can give you a hard time paced wise ?
For a daily id pick an M30, i was using my M52 this weekend and it just felt limp and really had to wail it to get any power, M30 the power is there all the time!
M52's are good if you can keep them in the power band.


To the OP, Cracking thread. 8)
Cypriotgeeza wrote:I done both my mates in my old 318is
felt so proud,even tried it with a E30 325i and got put in my place.. :o:
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Update time:

I've been away for a couple of weeks but still managed to order some parts and they were all waiting for me when I got back.

So viscous fan came off and alternator belt changed

New belt and spare

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Old belt about to come off

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New belt on

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One less thing to worry about breaking when it's fitted

I had ordered some 318is rear springs to go with my sport fronts. So the car will end up -15mm at the front and -17mm at the rear.

These were rusty so they were cleaned up and painted, I did the engine mounts at the same time (Thanks for those Lee :cool: )

Quick run over the springs with a wire wheel to remove the rust

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In primer

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With a little bit of help from Mr Blue

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Engine mounts all done

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And mocked up lees mount with the landrover rubber mounts. Quick question, the holes in the mounts are m12 size and the original bolts are m 8 ish, if these were bolted up there would be a fair bit of play. What have you M30 chaps done here?

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I will be using spacers to raise the engine up on the V8 mounts, I tried one 13mm spacer cut out of ali and like Jim couldnt get the nut on. The bolt on the V8 mount is 20mm in length, I'm thinking a 5mm spacers at each end could work. Failing that, I'll buy some M20 rubbers.

Now time to do a job that had been bugging me for a while, the gearbox had a large oil leak, from the output flange seal. To remove the flange and get to the seal you need a 32mm deep thin walled socket, which I had to order.

Not much space to work with, but you can see the oily mess that I wanted sorted

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Coming off

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New seal around £5 from GSF

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The old seal was in poor shape and little wonder so oil was leaking.

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Tried to remove as much of the old seal as possible before fitting

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New seal fits very snug against the flange and then the flange is bolted up. Will have to check the torque setting on this and set it correctly.

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After doing this I removed six remaining exhaust manifold studs from the head. The idea was to order new studs that were less corroded and lube them properly with HT paste, then there would be less risk of snapping studs and stripping threads.

But one of the studs didn't come out clean, it slightly damaged the thread on the way out. The thread is not completely stripped and I can screw a stud in, but won't go in as easily as the others. I'm worried I'm further marring up the thread as it goes back in.

I'm annoyed as this was exactly what I was trying to avoid. What should I do about this? Just screw the stud in and leave it or get it repaired?
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Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:59 pm

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TOP WORK !!!

nice work getting that output flange off mate, I know a few zoners who never managed to do that.

Looking at the front of your engine it looks like you have the air con pulley still on. I think this might touch your radiator, it certainly will be really really close. It's quite easy to remove it if you use an angle grinder with a cutting disc down the middle of the V.


Not sure if you have seen yet mate but when you fit that passenger side engine mount, you will need to do some "adjustment" to the large bracket which holds the intake manifold up, fairly easy work with a grinder mate.

I ended up getting the burton engine mounts, they were about £20 but i'm really pleased with them. Lee is looking at getting some mega large washers to go on top of them between the rubber and the engine mount to even the load of the mount on the rubber.

Hope you don't mind me mentioning it might be worth giving that CPS a good clean with white spirit and a toothbrush whilst the lump is out. I have a spare one if you ever have any problems with yours.

Hope you don't mind me mentioning those things, obviously i'm a complete failure at this stuff anyway as I can't get mine finished off :(

Keep the updates and pics coming, its great to see another M30 e30 in the making.

Sorry, one last thing I remember now, I found it made the installation job miles easier if the power steering pump was removed as this is the bit that sticks out the front the most, especially if the pulley on the front of it.

Legend :D
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Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:25 pm

Good progress.
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Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:37 pm

Brilliant work! Any joy in finding a solid e30 yet?
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Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:13 pm

Thanks lads, the support really helps keep you going 8)

Jim, I've no power at my lock up but a hack saw should see that air con pulley removed :D . I'll have a look at the bracket and I can pull that off and take it up the house to grind. The CPS = crank position sensor I'm guessing? The power steering pump comes off easy so I'll whip that off before she goes in. Good idea.

Cheers for all the comments

Rav, cheers mate, appreciated :cool:

Willnz, I'm going to order the selector shaft seal when I next go to the dealer. Its cheap and def worth me doing.

Mcbonio, I've been to visit four cars now, a 316i 2door, a 316c 4 door, a 316i tourer, and a 320i 2door. All were not quite right (some had big holes in). I've missed out on a chromie 325i 2 door manual, it sold the day before. Ideally I would have a 325i 2 door with manual box to make the conversion... in calypso, malachite or lazer... for £500 :P

I don't mind the wait, I really want the right car, and the right car will come along at the right price. Until then, I've got to get parts and sort out bits n pieces and I've got my 325i OEM homo special to keep me amused winkeye

The ebay, gumtree search goes on...

By the way

How much do you you M30 heads want this lump...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-ALPINA-73 ... 1e7bbc708b

:drool:
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:36 am

Wow, I do want that Alpina. Might get a bid in and see how it goes.
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:41 am

Got a lot of bubbling going on though... I bet its a rotten inside.! :eek:
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:04 pm

I would give the engine a good clean too, before putting it into the bay. :D
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:09 pm

Haha I will be giving the engine a good scrub before she goes back in.

Today I took a hack saw to the aircon pulley (no power in the lock up)

Which went from this..

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Bit of elbow grease

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Shaved about 10mm which will come in handy because I will be using the e34 rad to start with. I'll file the rough edges down for neatness.

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Side profile much improved.

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The two parts fall away just like the wiki says

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:D

So yesterday I had managed to foul my thread removing an exhaust manifold stud, I wanted this sorted.

I decided to tap the head and clean up the thread. I was a bit worried I would make things worse but you only learn by doing. Who dares wins right winkeye

So this was the thread to start with

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Got a set of taps and dyes from Lidl

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Screwed a manifold nut onto my tap to check the size

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Then screwed the stud back into the previously tapped nut, it fitted no problems so I knew I was good to go on the head.

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Started spraying WD40 into the hole to clear out any crap

Inserted the tap and screwed using just fingers to start with

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Then a bit more leverage, lubed this with gearbox oil to help cut.

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Haven't got a close up of the newly tapped threads but stud now goes in nice and tight, pleased that potentially big problem was sorted so quickly.

Luckily for me a mechanic who lives just by my lockup was on hand to show me how to do this, he also said the gearbox seal wasn't fitted properly. So flange came off again and the remains of the old seal (in this pic)

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was removed and new seal seated correctly.

Before

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After

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The flange was tightened up good.

Really grateful for a bit of advice from the local chap here.

Next job was getting the inlet manifold bracket modified to accept the new mounts.

Off with the E34 engine mounts

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lined up the mounts with the inlet bracket

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now I'll be drilling an 8mm hole in the bracket to accept the bolt further up

That's all for now, :woohoo:
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:44 pm

why so much effort on the pully. just remove the whole pully then 4 sharpe whacks on the rivitos/wealds and its a clean brake, and thats to look at to fella.
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Quick update from me, haven't been able to do any M30 stuff for a while but I have picked up a suitable recipient for the lump.

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It's a 320ise, had MOT and local to me. It was a bargain and as such is not without problems. To get the bad things out of the way it needs the factory lifting pads welded, both front shocks replacing, fuel tank leaks and windscreen wipers don't return to the start position.

On the plus side it's got the right number of doors and a nice hue. A combination of it being an SE from factory and the previous owner adding a few bits mean it's laden with trinkets but unfortunately the factory HLWW has been removed. The car isn't perfect by any means but I'll be concentrating on getting the car through an MOT, slowly restoring the look to standard, then on with the M30.

It has INTRA alloys (never heard of them before), a full powerflow system (320i/325i) and unknown -60mm springs that will be removed and put up for sale to fund the repairs. Any ideas on value of these parts? If that doesn't raise enough funds I may flog the Tech 1 spoiler as I have one of those already.

Not sure what these wheels are worth? Wrapped in good proxies?
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:42 pm

very very nice donor car indeed :D good buy :D

the windscreen wiper is the metal disc in the motor assembely, it rusts and the spring contacts therefore don't make. You can easily remove it and clean up the disc or just replace the unit with a known good one.

The factory jacking points are a fairly easy fix. When all the carpet and seats are out and all the old underseal is removed from the outside, welding in new metal is straight forward.

I've done both these on my tech1 thread if you want to see some pics.

The fuel tank leak, i'd start first by checking out the fuel filler pipe, the metal one and the rubber hose connection. If the leak is coming from the actual tank then replacement is possible.

Its a great car though and will be an excellent donor car.

Might be worth looking about for a set of 325i struts and f+r brakes, easy and cheap enough to get.

If its 60mm dropped all round the front might drop a little more with the M30 installed. I got round this by fitting standard 325 springs which made the ride height better but the car does feel a bit less stiff - all depends on how you intend to drive it i suppose.

The exhaust is perfect and will go staright onto your m30 down pipes just like Lee did in his thread.

Not sure about the value of the wheels, they are very nice though so worth quite a lot i would think.

Keep us posted with the pics, really enjoying reading this thread.

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Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:39 pm

Thanks Jim, you're a font of useful e30 knowledge 8) ! Congrats on the MOT on your fine chariot BTW

Now I've got the car and I know what I'm working with I can make some plans.

It will be raised up to -17mm and -15mm with the M-tech springs I have already. -60mm is too low for me and that's before the M30 drops the front some more.

The shocks will be changed when I upgrade to 51mm struts so I wasn't too bothered about them. Do you know if some bilstein kits (B6, B8?) come with the 51mm strut housing or are they second hand only?

The tank starts leaking after about 15l have gone in so I'll be keeping an eye on the ECP/GSF sales to get a fresh one. The powerflow wouldn't be my first choice as it's a bit louder than standard but it's not a priority to change this.

I have got a 325i gearbox coming so the flange will be donated from that to mate up with my 325i prop I already have. I could bought a 328i prop but the box was free, and you can't say fairer than that. Thanks to BazPatto on here.

The steering wheel is in poor state so it will be replaced with a tech 1. Tech 2 is correct for the year but the prices are now eyewatering and I have several tech 1s lying around. The interior needs tidying up, but I have all the trim pieces from my red e30.

The tech 1 spoiler will be coming off and so will the wheels. Might sell the tech 1 or horde it! I have free heckspoiler (thanks verde) that will be replacing it. Wheels will be bbs or bottletop for a sleeper look, this will be complimented with a 316i badge haha.

I will check your thread tech 1 thread for some tips.

Here's some more pics to appease you mate

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This last pic is shiny! I've not had an E30 with metallic paint before and you wouldve had to polish the hell out of chromie LapisBlau or Karmitrot to get that reflection winkeye
jimbom30cab
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Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:01 pm

How's it going Sean, had time to do much recently?
griff87
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:35 pm

Unfortunately no, I have been flat out with work so the car has had to take a back seat. I've ordered this:

http://www.sgs-engineering.com/garage-e ... gine-crane

but still waiting for next day delivery a week later :x

Got a few other tools and bits and bobs, sorted out a fan to work with the e34 rad. I've had a look at the wiring diagram on your thread with the various relays etc. I think I got my head round that.

Cleared out my lock-up and stripped the E30 I bought of its trinkets to raise funds for the essentials the E30 needs. Will put up a parts for sale thread and update this thread with lots of pics when I've done something to the car.

I keep looking at your engine bay and wishing mine was that clean! :)
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