M20B20 ECU, manifold, TB, filter - worth it?

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Fri May 07, 2010 9:20 am

Hi there

I was looking into some simple mods to my M20B20 engine. From reading the E30 wiki here the most common upgrades for this engine are ECU upgrade, inlet manifold and TB from a 2.5 engine. I was wondering what the cost of purchase and fitting was for a Speedtouch ECU for example.

Throttle body from a M20B25 was mentioned but I saw another article on here regarding the effectiveness of fitting larger throttle bodies and is it going to make that much difference to bhp?

Just wondering what kind of performance I can hope for with these basic mods and is it worth the extra £200-300 i'd pay for insurance? I love the way the car drives and the way it sounds, if it had more torque it'd be nearly perfect.

cheers :)
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:04 am

I'm thinking about this myself.
Anyone got any ideas apart from getting a proper m20 lump.
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:28 pm

320 block is better to have Gentlemen,

thats what i started with, if you tack the above items on you may see a small gain but don't expect miracles,

touringtrash- Ant of atech is right on your doorstep, well worth giving him a shout regarding options :D
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:43 pm

Been up there a few times, even dropped in for a coffee today. He's a busy guy and I'm trying to find my own feet a bit so I'm not hitting him with hundreds of pointless questions. It would do my head in after a while.
He's the one who first opened my eyes to the sensible, correct way of doing it. Its just that I've got another car and want to build a better one out of two, I know it won't be great and the money side of things won't be much in it for less horses, but this is more about me learning about whats available with these engines and a bit of trial and error so I learn myself.

320 Block? not head?
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:54 pm

Fair one dude,

320 block, bore out to 84 mm, low comp 2.5 pistons, your 2.0 con rods a 2.5 head and intake gubbins, thats less than £250 right there,
single vanos 2.8 crank £100-£200 ish probably including machining necessary.
Camshaft £250-£300 ish
Your choice of shells/gaskets
presto, circa 200hp/lbft
Build it in stages and enjoy :D
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:22 pm

goosiegander wrote:Fair one dude,

320 block, bore out to 84 mm, low comp 2.5 pistons, your 2.0 con rods a 2.5 head and intake gubbins, thats less than £250 right there,
single vanos 2.8 crank £100-£200 ish probably including machining necessary.
Camshaft £250-£300 ish
Your choice of shells/gaskets
presto, circa 200hp/lbft
Build it in stages and enjoy :D
:thumb:

Have saved that as a working guide.
Will do a thread when I get going.
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Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:07 am

goosiegander wrote:320 block is better to have Gentlemen,
I have seen no actual evidence of this.

Most powerfull M20 was a B25 block and all the ones I know of above 500hp where B25´s to begin with also.
With great challenges comes great engineering.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:39 pm

From my own perspective 320 bored to 84mm dead is better than further boring the 2.5,

Thats number one for me, plus its the original block for my car so the numbers match (not that much of the parts on the moordoor are original now lol!)

Add to that the cost of a b20 being next to its weight in scrap if not less, plus it comes with a free set of rods.

Of course if you were doing something interesting with steel liners the first point becomes mute,

Either way, still plugging the b20 as a starting point,

Of course if I am wrong i'll be happy to listen to reason dude :D
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Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Gentlemen, i have the same Questions. Its too hard here to get cranks and bits from other engines.
I have a b20 and i bought a speedtouch chip, a good ecu, a b25 tb, and a k&n panel filter.

Can i expect 15hp more? I love the b20 engine, its sound like heaven and i want to keep it.

Anybody done this?
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Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:11 am

For simplicity the main issues with the M20 engines is breathing (and before all the effin' idiots jump in I said SIMPLICITY), so anything associated with bringing in of cold fresh air and getting rid of nasty hot fumes will gain benefits.
A good exhaust and 6 branch manifold (you will find at least 5 dozen arguements over which 6 branch) will give you over 15 horses, but remember Horse Power is just a number that means little all in the real world ie. tarmac.

The biggest issue with the fresh air is down to the Air Flow Meter (AFM) which restricts the amount of air coming in. This obsticle in both senses will cost a fair bit of money to get around so maybe best to forget about that bit of kit. For reference AFM's were superceded by 'hot wire' systems that do not restrict anywhere near as much airflow.
The M20 is about grunt, well the b25 and b27 (stroked) are, the only b20 I drove made it 20 miles to my garage then got fragged.
So I know very little about them.
Head wise they are all rubbish compared to modern heads (under 10 years old), so personally I would listen to a man who spends his time in overalls :wink:

Its worth noting that
1. a good running, well maintained stock engine will be better than a pile of junk with add ons.
2. good brakes and suspension in good order make a car go faster not hp.

Well not for long :eek:

Are you located at the ISS? where is it too hard to get stuff when it comes to more power?
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Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:19 am

I live in Uruguay. There are few BMW here, and everything cost million punds. My car worth 14000 dollars. So imagine.... I can import a b25 but then again, paperwork is endless and expensive.

So i need the best advice on the b20. I have the plan to put a b23 crank when it dies, but the engine is in perfect condition and i make excellent services. Each 5000 km, i change the oil (liquimoly semi with Mo2) and every filter. I want 160/170 hp from this engine including the new crank.

You guys, seem to know this engines for good so Ill keep reading.
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Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:51 am

I may end up with a b20 soon (it depends on if I keep or sell mine) and will have a play with it keeping everything looking stock.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:56 pm

I just got myself a chrome bumper B20, a lot of bad things are said about the 320i but honestly see nothing wrong with it. if i wanted to fit a 325 tb to mine, would i need the whole inlet manifold or just the throttle body?
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:07 pm

You can modify the existing inlet manifold to suit the 325i TB:

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/inde ... conversion

I've owned a couple of L-Jetronic chromey 320i's and they weren't that awful. In fact, the first one I had, a 1984 B-reg 4-door, would do the 0-60mph dash in around 8 seconds and go on to 125mph!

The second one, a 1987 E-reg 2-door 320iSE was a bit slower for some reason - higher diff ratio, maybe?
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:08 pm

Throttle Body but you'd need to bore out the inlet of your current inlet manifold, but you can also change the whole thing... Its all on the Wiki though if you look for 320i...
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:33 pm

Thanks fellas, i'll see what my options are 8)
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