Has anyone had experience with these pads, i'm not sure which ones to go for.
Cheers,
Theo
Ferodo DS2500 or DS3000
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used DS2500 and hate them with passion! Didn't brake properly, cracked a disk and the pads crumbled to pieces once they gone half the thickness.
Try PAGID Blue. Yes I know much more money, but they are STOPPING the car. Or perfomance friction.
A lot of people here do like the EBC yellow.
Try PAGID Blue. Yes I know much more money, but they are STOPPING the car. Or perfomance friction.
A lot of people here do like the EBC yellow.
Interesting, the feedback from people on the ds2500 seems to vary massively, wonder if that's down to driving style or whether they just work on some cars better than others?
Performance friction seemingly don't sell pads for my caliper which uses the wilwood dynalite pad shape, who supplies Pagid pads?
Performance friction seemingly don't sell pads for my caliper which uses the wilwood dynalite pad shape, who supplies Pagid pads?
google?Theo325 wrote:Interesting, the feedback from people on the ds2500 seems to vary massively, wonder if that's down to driving style or whether they just work on some cars better than others?
Performance friction seemingly don't sell pads for my caliper which uses the wilwood dynalite pad shape, who supplies Pagid pads?
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i used DS3000 in my E30 and found them to be very good the only down side seemed to be that i could get through a set in one trackday which made them to expensive for me.
i tried the yellow stuff and just did not like them so now run redstuff all round and they seem to suit me better and work out a lot cheaper.
i tried the yellow stuff and just did not like them so now run redstuff all round and they seem to suit me better and work out a lot cheaper.
Are the 3000's more aggressive than the 2500's?
I seriously don't know how you would get through a set of 3000's if they are a harder compound than 2500's on a track day? Unless you have fat feet and have the brake on all the time you are accelerating?
I'd vote for 2500's. They stop the s13 numerous times from 120+ down to 30 in a minute and a half lap. Similar weight if not a bit heavier than your dirty.
The problem is that the pads discs and brake lines were good, but we let ourselves down with shit vauxhall brake fluid!
It boiled off then fecked the rest of the day as sessions had to be much shorter as it would boil quicker every stint.
I seriously don't know how you would get through a set of 3000's if they are a harder compound than 2500's on a track day? Unless you have fat feet and have the brake on all the time you are accelerating?
I'd vote for 2500's. They stop the s13 numerous times from 120+ down to 30 in a minute and a half lap. Similar weight if not a bit heavier than your dirty.
The problem is that the pads discs and brake lines were good, but we let ourselves down with shit vauxhall brake fluid!
It boiled off then fecked the rest of the day as sessions had to be much shorter as it would boil quicker every stint.According to my Demon Tweeks catalogue of dreams...
DS2500's have a coefficient of friction of .50 compared to the .62 of the DS3000.
That said, someone suggested that the 3000's will be harsher on discs, which I want to avoid as mine are molested corrado jobbies.
DS2500's have a coefficient of friction of .50 compared to the .62 of the DS3000.
That said, someone suggested that the 3000's will be harsher on discs, which I want to avoid as mine are molested corrado jobbies.
if you worry about that you shouldn't run these disks in the first place.Theo325 wrote:According to my Demon Tweeks catalogue of dreams...
DS2500's have a coefficient of friction of .50 compared to the .62 of the DS3000.
That said, someone suggested that the 3000's will be harsher on discs, which I want to avoid as mine are molested corrado jobbies.
We are talking brakes here, there is no "if". The 3000 seem to be much better than the 2500 from what I have heard from people using them.
But very dusty and very abrasive. Clean the dust of your body work immediately, I have seen white cars with yellow'ish fenders where the brake dust settles and little particles are burned into the paint. (all metallic based pads can do this BTW)
But as always, there is no such thing as free lunch. You want better brakes, you will have to give somewhere. Be it more expensive pads, more wear, wearing disks. In the end of the day brakes are consumables.
They're not meant to last forever.
As Uwe says you can't have great brakes for nothing. I have used both 2500's and 3000's and a few others. I quite liked the 2500's as they didn't seem to trash the disks quite as quickly. However, they don't stop as well as 3000's. 3000's are very abrasive and the dust is brutal, it will destroy paintwork if it's not cleaned off. I now run Pagid Blue's with AP's and they are fantastic and do last a long time. They are excellent pads, but pricey.
My opinion is based on someone who both the 2500 and the 3000's on the same car so it should pretty accurate. Uwe is spot on (as usual) and the DS3000's are a great pad but shouldn't be used on the road, mind you after using on the track wash the wheels and bodywork ASAP. They take ultimate punishment with little complaint. On the road I use the DS2500 which is what they were designed to, very dusty but OK on the paintwork, excelent bite from cold, almost no squeel and handle ultimate punishment on the road and some trak work if on lightweight cars or tracks light on the brakes. I use BBK on the front so the 3000's are good for several trackday but for those of you on regular set ups use the DS300o endurance compound for extended life.
my m3 came with some ds2500s, the previous owner liked them a lot, and did a lot of spirited road driving and a couple of trackdays. they lasted well and resisted fade well too, but they are a fast road / trackday pad, not a serious regular trackday pad. can be a little squely at low speed, but would definately use them again.
also used them in the porsche 4pots on my lancia, and found exactly the same as in the m3. a great allround pad. infact, in the lancia i couldnt get them to fade at all, even when using left foot braking to build the boost, and abusing them as much as i could.
also used them in the porsche 4pots on my lancia, and found exactly the same as in the m3. a great allround pad. infact, in the lancia i couldnt get them to fade at all, even when using left foot braking to build the boost, and abusing them as much as i could.
cheers,
harry
harry
Have to say that fade has never been an issue with any of the decent pads I have used, even with the old sliding calipers. DS2500/3000, Mintex F4r (By the way, they are good but Pagid price),Pagid Blues, but I do have ducts and proper backing plates which I am sure helps plus decent fluid. I run SRF and people moan about the cost, but then I think back to the amount of times I have had fluid problems.............never.
I do not question your judgement about the DS2500's but once you have tried a set of Pagid BLUE you will not look back. I have given a used set to a friend who drives his M3 on a lot of trackdays and does hundreds of laps on the ring per year. After the first day out on Pagids he was on the phone to order another set.harry_p wrote:my m3 came with some ds2500s, the previous owner liked them a lot, and did a lot of spirited road driving and a couple of trackdays. they lasted well and resisted fade well too, but they are a fast road / trackday pad, not a serious regular trackday pad. can be a little squely at low speed, but would definately use them again.
also used them in the porsche 4pots on my lancia, and found exactly the same as in the m3. a great allround pad. infact, in the lancia i couldnt get them to fade at all, even when using left foot braking to build the boost, and abusing them as much as i could.
The trouble with peoples recommendation about what pad to use is that it doens't give any sort of reliable comparison data.
A brake pad is designed to work at a specific heat range. Have you ever measured how hot your pads/disk are/get? the only person I know who has done this is Lancelot!
It depends on so many factors. Ducting, tyres, weight of the car, weather, and mostly driving/braking style. What works fine for some, might be completly out of order for others.
If yur are happy with the DS2500 then they obviously suit your application.
PS there is a little kit of heat sensitive paints one can put on the disk. they will tell you afterwards what heat range you have. (...but £50!!)
www.equipetorino.it for Ferodo Pads 
But you need to know the pads part no. in order to search for them.
But you need to know the pads part no. in order to search for them.
I have 3000's on the I.S and love em to bits, they stop the car spot on, and only ever locked em up once, when a swede in a 997 decided to brake half way round hatzenbach. With the low weight of the car and lack of power, thye dont get a massive amount of use on the ring, I think they only get stood on properly 10 times if that
