1 series - true successor to E30?

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Wed May 30, 2007 10:11 pm

Andyboy wrote:I've no respect for any of the Italian stuff anymore, it's just cheap crap wrapped up in a pretty looking shell. Time was when an Italian car was a crap body containing some really sophisticated mechanicals, when run of the mill Fiats and Alfas had twin cam engines and five speed boxes, five link rear axles and Lancias had all alloy V4 motors.
Mirrafiori sport, Alfa GTV6....great cars. Lots of Italian spirit.....but terrible bodywork. Do you remember the Fiat Strada Abarth 130TC?? 60 in under 8 secs. GTi Killer in it's hey day :D
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:13 pm

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Andyboy wrote:I've no respect for any of the Italian stuff anymore, it's just cheap crap wrapped up in a pretty looking shell. Time was when an Italian car was a crap body containing some really sophisticated mechanicals, when run of the mill Fiats and Alfas had twin cam engines and five speed boxes, five link rear axles and Lancias had all alloy V4 motors.
Mirrafiori sport, Alfa GTV6....great cars. Lots of Italian spirit.....but terrible bodywork. Do you remember the Fiat Strada Abarth 130TC?? 60 in under 8 secs. GTi Killer in it's hey day :D
Arbarth ruled. Wasn't the lada a Ruski Strada?
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:19 pm

Not to sure about the lada bit. But remember my Brother and I taking an Abarth out on a test run a long time ago. Frightening.
The sound of that engine.
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:33 pm

The Strada 130TC was indeed a weapon. So was the SuperMirafiori 2000TC, the 124 Special T (the Lada 1200 shape) which was Escort sized with the 1600 twin cam and 5 speed box. 1956 Alfa Giulietta Ti had the all alloy 1300 twink with 40DCOE's and five gears when BMW were making bubble cars and dreadful shite like the 502.
I think the last interesting Fiats were the Tipo 16v and Uno Turbo. Both flawed but bollocking good fun.
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:39 pm

I had a MK2 Uno Turbo. Rapid machine, but unreliable
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:41 pm

blatantarrogance wrote: Wasn't the lada a Ruski Strada?
Not quite. Fiat always sold off it's obsolete models to others. The Fiat 600 was made by Steyr (now onwed by BMW) for example. The Fiat 124 was the single round headlight 1300cc saloon from 1966 and the 125 was the four headlight version with longer front and rear ends plus the twin cam engine. The Lada 1200/1300 was the Russian 124 but with the Ruski's own engine (which was quite good) and the 1500/1600 was the 124 Special T shell with four headlamps. To really comploicate things there was the Polski Fiat (Later the FSO - 'For Suckers Only) which was a Polish built 125 with the single cam Fiat engine. Fiat made a fortune out of these things as they were all licenced.

The FSO Polonez was a fucking awful abortion the Poles knocked together on a 125 floorpan. Only the Polish could create a car as bad as that.
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Wed May 30, 2007 10:49 pm

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This is the first Lada 1200, @1974. Nice.
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Hmmm, the Lada 1600. Peachy.
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And the Polski Fiat 125p which the Polacks started making in '67, the same year as the Torinese original. Desirable.

So Nathan - you are now an Eastern European/Communist Bloc Fiat knock off expert! :D
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Wed May 30, 2007 11:23 pm

Andyboy wrote:
As for Fords - these days they're every bit as reliable as a German car. Well, made in Cologne, they would be. winkeye The current Focus isn't as sharp looking as the old one but it's still a formidable bit of kit and the TDCi is very good.
Couldn't have put it better! The 2000 on Mondeo's are also just as good and what people forget or dont even know is that Ford of europe is essentialy England and Germanys Ford companys combined since the 70's.
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Thu May 31, 2007 1:25 pm

i dont give a sh1t, i'd still never drive a Ford!!!

who is Douglas Bader?!?!?! :( :o:
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Jhonno wrote:5 series is a great looking car!! Aggressive as hell front end, with Xenons and the angles eyes and sport kit.. (its the e60 btw, e90/91/92 is the new 3 series.
and the e93 is the Cab ?
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stuartgallafant wrote:i dont give a sh1t, i'd still never drive a Ford!!!

who is Douglas Bader?!?!?! :( :o:
Bader was an English hero.

Flew Spits or Hurricanes in WW2. Lost both legs in a flying accident (I think prior to WW2). Eventually learned to walk again on prosthetics, then went straight back into the cockpit.

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Andyboy wrote:Image
This is the first Lada 1200, @1974. Nice.
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Hmmm, the Lada 1600. Peachy.
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And the Polski Fiat 125p which the Polacks started making in '67, the same year as the Torinese original. Desirable.

So Nathan - you are now an Eastern European/Communist Bloc Fiat knock off expert! :D
Sort the images mate.

So is that why lotus put a twin cam Fiat lump into the lada they tuned for Top Gear??

I want a lada drift weapon.
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Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:57 pm

I liked the 120d sport my friend had from the stealers, loadsa torque and fun with out the traction control on, but its no e30. I like tho looks of the 2door and the cab 1series, if they make it< but id never buy one its just as though bmw have lost what they started for and are now just run by accountants as are so many companies now a days... :?
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Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:38 pm

Hamster likes the new 3 door version! He's given it a glowing review in today's Daily Mirror.
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Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:48 pm

Who gets the 1 series? is a pointless car made to "fill a mysterious gap in a badge market" if u think about it is a 2 seater estate, not a hatch not a 2+2 or coupe is a estate that may seem spacious if your a dwarf :cry:
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Convertible version gets slated for looks too
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:03 pm

I'm busy pricing-up 1 series. Why? Becuase I have a short drive and a garage that has loads of stuff in such that an E30 just fits. I realise that a current 3 is better value but I wouldn't consider one. 1) they aren't funky enough 2) they are too common (esp as I'd have a rep spec for my budget) 3) I'll have one of those when I'm older and need back seats.
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Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:27 pm

johnna wrote:A 1 series five door looks very much like a touring to me.

plus 1's are about as aerodynamic as a brick... just like the e30!
Not true! The 1 series cuts through the air very nicely.

The best 1 i have driven was a 120d, haven't driven a 6 pot unfortunately. The handling is sublime, direct nicely weighted steering, feels perfectly balanced as you'd expect. It was quick too, they're even quicker now with 180 bhp ish. As said the 116i sewing machine is a complete waste of money. Higher spec models make more sense, and I bet the 135 coupe is a great drive. The only real issue i have with the 1 is its poor practicality.
It may not have the raw feel of the e30 but what mainstream car does nowadays.
My dad is about to order a 118d M sport as a company car after not being too impressed with the 123d (lets face it its still a diesel). The co2 emissions are very low on all 1 series but the 118d is the lowest. He said he'd rather save the money on co2 tax every month and spend it on our e30 track machine. :D
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Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:29 pm

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Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:56 pm

I'm going to get flamed to **** for this, but I reckon the 3-door 130i is the true successor to the Scimitar GTE! :lol:
3 litres, 6 cylinders, RWD, no room in the back and consequently no more practical than a 2-seater. But for 2 people, a great tourer (no - I didn't mean Touring).
Hopefully the 130i doesn't have the factory-fitted water ingress that the Scimmy did.

It's never really occurred to me before, but a 130i 3-door would probably put an end to my lust for another Scimmy.
This is why I no longer drive an E30......

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