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pacerpete wrote: Yes , both Z1s were bought primarily to turn a profit , I did keep one for about a year as it was a very nice car and I thought if I am patient a nice victim with a good profit will appear (he didn't)
The fact that I struggled to find any cashed up victims shows that you are in the tiny minority more easily impressed by suspension that is found on garden £100 E36s and aerodynamically optimised £1000 rear exhaust boxes than most of the car buying public. Do you own / are you trying to sell a Z1 ? :)


PS I have an excellent O/S headlamp assembly for one of these extremely rare ground breaking hero chariots ,if you are interested ? :D
Thats the problem, if you did your research you would know that the UK is not the place to sell a Z1 for profit, you need Mobile.de or Autoscout24.de. By keeping a small fanbase, Z1 prices do not rocket beyond a normal mans means, so we win, dealers lose, just how we like it :-)

So all the cars you have listed were not bought on account of the handling capabilities, but pose factor??

what else you Got? I'm guessing there is a huge markup to make up the loss on the cars, I don't need one but I might anyway, rescue it from an unappreciative owner :-)
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I always fancied a Z1, owning a rare bit of BMW history, member of a lucky group of owners, etc etc....but after this postingnow I'm not so sure...
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im sort of glad the deal fell through in a way as i have been watching the z1 market for over a year and they are not budging for shite.the ones i saw for sale last year are re-appearing this year so there obviously not sought after that much.ill admit i was only trying to turn a quick profit to get a bit of moosh to give to the wife so she could have a bit more time off with our baby which is due in two weeks.the z1 is still in my mates garage sitting there doing naff all and will most likely be staying there for a while.
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Sounds like your best off forgetting it mabz..shame eh?
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Z3I wrote:I always fancied a Z1, owning a rare bit of BMW history, member of a lucky group of owners, etc etc....but after this postingnow I'm not so sure...
a wise choice, it only took a few subjective biased comments to put you off, Perhaps you were never really that interested?

Ignore the above, it's an incredible car, Albeit not a perfect car, fortunately lots of scope for improvement at normal E30 prices, whilst depreciation is practically nil.
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Mabs, who is your mate, what part of the UK does he live in?
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Z3I wrote:I always fancied a Z1, owning a rare bit of BMW history, member of a lucky group of owners, etc etc....but after this postingnow I'm not so sure...
a wise choice, it only took a few subjective biased comments to put you off, Perhaps you were never really that interested?

Ignore the above, it's an incredible car, Albeit not a perfect car, fortunately lots of scope for improvement at normal E30 prices, whilst depreciation is practically nil.
I've actually been involved in BMWs for 25 years, and had a lot to do with Z1's and Z3's in the mid to late 90's with the BMW car club and Paul Drawmer, who was a very enthisiastic owner, although I never got to own one, prefering to stick to my 2002 cab instead.


I think its the elitest overtones that are putting me off! Z1's are great cars, and I'd still swap my 30k mile 325i cab for the yellow Z1 I saw back in 1991 at BMW Heathrow. But the cars don't reflect the owners sometimes, do they?
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Jetl3on wrote:Mabs, who is your mate, what part of the UK does he live in?
cambridgeshire,other details i will not put on a forum.no offence.
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Z3I wrote:Sounds like your best off forgetting it mabz..shame eh?
is a shame but its like a full time job selling niche/rare cars.something that i enjoy but in two weeks or less will have little or no time to focus 100% on.the z1 will remain there and when my friends dad decides to sell i will get first offer so we'll see
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Z3I wrote:
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Z3I wrote:I always fancied a Z1, owning a rare bit of BMW history, member of a lucky group of owners, etc etc....but after this postingnow I'm not so sure...
a wise choice, it only took a few subjective biased comments to put you off, Perhaps you were never really that interested?

Ignore the above, it's an incredible car, Albeit not a perfect car, fortunately lots of scope for improvement at normal E30 prices, whilst depreciation is practically nil.
I've actually been involved in BMWs for 25 years, and had a lot to do with Z1's and Z3's in the mid to late 90's with the BMW car club and Paul Drawmer, who was a very enthisiastic owner, although I never got to own one, prefering to stick to my 2002 cab instead.


I think its the elitest overtones that are putting me off! Z1's are great cars, and I'd still swap my 30k mile 325i cab for the yellow Z1 I saw back in 1991 at BMW Heathrow. But the cars don't reflect the owners sometimes, do they?
you know Paul Drawmer? Well in that case, I take it all back. Paul is a top bloke and you need no other reference where Z1 is concerned.

If you want more Informed details on the pros and cons of a Z1, don't come to an E30 forum :-)
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Jetl3on wrote:Mabs, who is your mate, what part of the UK does he live in?
cambridgeshire,other details i will not put on a forum.no offence.
have no fear, I have no interest in the car, I may know him.
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pacerpete wrote: Yes , both Z1s were bought primarily to turn a profit , I did keep one for about a year as it was a very nice car and I thought if I am patient a nice victim with a good profit will appear (he didn't)
The fact that I struggled to find any cashed up victims shows that you are in the tiny minority more easily impressed by suspension that is found on garden £100 E36s and aerodynamically optimised £1000 rear exhaust boxes than most of the car buying public. Do you own / are you trying to sell a Z1 ? :)


PS I have an excellent O/S headlamp assembly for one of these extremely rare ground breaking hero chariots ,if you are interested ? :D
Thats the problem, if you did your research you would know that the UK is not the place to sell a Z1 for profit, you need Mobile.de or Autoscout24.de. By keeping a small fanbase, Z1 prices do not rocket beyond a normal mans means, so we win, dealers lose, just how we like it :-)

So all the cars you have listed were not bought on account of the handling capabilities, but pose factor??

what else you Got? I'm guessing there is a huge markup to make up the loss on the cars, I don't need one but I might anyway, rescue it from an unappreciative owner :-)
Just to confirm, I was doing my 'research' and putting my hand in my pocket back in the mid late 90s whilst you were undoubtably jizzing over brochures :)

Unlike most Z1 paedos, I have no interest in driving around looking like a gaylord with my doors dropped or 'posing' in any other car, for that matter.
I appreciate innovative engineering and rarity and I love cars ,especially oddball interesting ones, even better if after the novelty has worn off , I can make a profit. being a mere mortal who works for a living ,I need to finance my illness some how :)

For many years I have been importing /exporting cars so my opinions/views of market forces and niches is fairly well researched, thats why I know that Z1 values are going nowhere fast. 8000 cars is a lot, even if they are all wrapped in cotton wool .

So, what colour is yours and do you want to buy my headlight ? :)
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pacerpete wrote: Unlike most Z1 paedos, I have no interest in driving around looking like a gaylord with my doors dropped or 'posing' in any other car, for that matter.
Peter. I still want one. Does that make me a bad person?
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I'm looking for RHD for a client, if someone knows one pls let me know.
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Francisco wrote:I'm looking for RHD for a client, if someone knows one pls let me know.
only one big problem,they dont exist dude.
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Francisco wrote:I'm looking for RHD for a client, if someone knows one pls let me know.
only one big problem,they dont exist dude.
Not strictly true. There are no RHD Z1's as much as there are no RHD M3 e30's...

There are a few on BMW Car Club GB and in this case they converted by Griffin Motorsport.
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pacerpete wrote: Yes , both Z1s were bought primarily to turn a profit , I did keep one for about a year as it was a very nice car and I thought if I am patient a nice victim with a good profit will appear (he didn't)
The fact that I struggled to find any cashed up victims shows that you are in the tiny minority more easily impressed by suspension that is found on garden £100 E36s and aerodynamically optimised £1000 rear exhaust boxes than most of the car buying public. Do you own / are you trying to sell a Z1 ? :)


PS I have an excellent O/S headlamp assembly for one of these extremely rare ground breaking hero chariots ,if you are interested ? :D
Thats the problem, if you did your research you would know that the UK is not the place to sell a Z1 for profit, you need Mobile.de or Autoscout24.de. By keeping a small fanbase, Z1 prices do not rocket beyond a normal mans means, so we win, dealers lose, just how we like it :-)

So all the cars you have listed were not bought on account of the handling capabilities, but pose factor??

what else you Got? I'm guessing there is a huge markup to make up the loss on the cars, I don't need one but I might anyway, rescue it from an unappreciative owner :-)
Just to confirm, I was doing my 'research' and putting my hand in my pocket back in the mid late 90s whilst you were undoubtably jizzing over brochures :)

Unlike most Z1 paedos, I have no interest in driving around looking like a gaylord with my doors dropped or 'posing' in any other car, for that matter.
I appreciate innovative engineering and rarity and I love cars ,especially oddball interesting ones, even better if after the novelty has worn off , I can make a profit. being a mere mortal who works for a living ,I need to finance my illness some how :)

For many years I have been importing /exporting cars so my opinions/views of market forces and niches is fairly well researched, thats why I know that Z1 values are going nowhere fast. 8000 cars is a lot, even if they are all wrapped in cotton wool .

So, what colour is yours and do you want to buy my headlight ? :)
Hahaha I see you take every opportunity to remind me of your credentials in the motor trade and throw in a little sarcasm to vent your obvious dislike of the car and their owners, thats a shame.
If you have been in the trade for that long sir, then its time to consider you have either lost touch or lost `your` touch.
I just hope the people reading this are intelligent enough to see that your one dimentional comments are out of date and ill-informed.

Mine is Green/Lemon Combo, I am interested if the price is right....?

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pacerpete wrote:I know all about Z1s,I have owned 2 , I was distinctly underwhelmed and struggled to sell either at a profit, granted that was 10 years ago.
I have owned 5 E34 M5 tourings, 4 Sport Evolutions, 3 E28 M5s, 6 E30 M3 convertibles ,2 Alpina B10 Biturbos and alas,just 1 Alpina B6s. They are all genuinely rare cars that are also useable.

If I wanted an impractical plastic 1 trick pony, I would buy a TVR griffith and spend the large amount of change on AA membership and lots of petrol :D
impressive but does not Change the fact you don't know any Z1 owners. you may have purchased 2 for profit but that's not the same as ownership in the context we are discussing.
The Z1 is far more than a one trick pony which you would know if you look beyond the resale value, It sounds like your judging the car purely on what you lost rather than constructive comments such as the innovative Z axle, found on later Z and BMW models, aluminium monocoque shell, weight distribution, vario paintwork, multi layer plastic body panels, rear diffuser, handling and the unbelievable sliding doors , still unrivalled to this day, technology all before it's time and still a head turner next to most supercars, one of the few cars I have seen that few people criticise, apart from guys looking for a quick profit.
And for all that, the Z1 was still a failure. It failed because despite all the technology, it wasn't really that great - capable but lacking a certain something. Yes, I've driven one.
The Z1's main problem is one of image. Thinking back to when they were new, my Mum would have driven one, but my Dad? Never!
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I like them but they are gay - a paradox I know.

Andyboy/Pete, to say it was unusable and not that awesome technically is to miss the point. It's a car that BMW never usually made/make to this day. Every now and again they make a weirdo car that just has that something, 8-Series, Z1 and Z8. It's cool in an unquantifiable way. More than the sum of it's parts.

The Z3 is a disgusting homo-kart (not the breadvan variant tho). The Z4M (Coupe!) will be my next target for sure - my current fave BMW.
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pacerpete wrote:I know all about Z1s,I have owned 2 , I was distinctly underwhelmed and struggled to sell either at a profit, granted that was 10 years ago.
I have owned 5 E34 M5 tourings, 4 Sport Evolutions, 3 E28 M5s, 6 E30 M3 convertibles ,2 Alpina B10 Biturbos and alas,just 1 Alpina B6s. They are all genuinely rare cars that are also useable.

If I wanted an impractical plastic 1 trick pony, I would buy a TVR griffith and spend the large amount of change on AA membership and lots of petrol :D
impressive but does not Change the fact you don't know any Z1 owners. you may have purchased 2 for profit but that's not the same as ownership in the context we are discussing.
The Z1 is far more than a one trick pony which you would know if you look beyond the resale value, It sounds like your judging the car purely on what you lost rather than constructive comments such as the innovative Z axle, found on later Z and BMW models, aluminium monocoque shell, weight distribution, vario paintwork, multi layer plastic body panels, rear diffuser, handling and the unbelievable sliding doors , still unrivalled to this day, technology all before it's time and still a head turner next to most supercars, one of the few cars I have seen that few people criticise, apart from guys looking for a quick profit.
And for all that, the Z1 was still a failure. It failed because despite all the technology, it wasn't really that great - capable but lacking a certain something. Yes, I've driven one.
The Z1's main problem is one of image. Thinking back to when they were new, my Mum would have driven one, but my Dad? Never!
Thats you, Pacerpete and your dad, I make that 3 against.
As you have not added any specifics, (`something` does not explain very much) its hardly a failure.
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Give the Z4M a swerve, and get the 3.0Si Coupe. Not as fast in a straight line, but a much nicer car. The Z4M is just hard work.

The Z1 was an interesting idea, and has far more credibility than the weirdo crap they make now (X1, X6, 5GT) but they just never did it for me. Put it this way - park a Z1 next to an Inca orange 3.0CSL and which would make you say 'F*CK ME!! I WANT THAT!!!".
















Z1 is the incorrect answer.
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Royalratch wrote:I like them but they are gay - a paradox I know.

Andyboy/Pete, to say it was unusable and not that awesome technically is to miss the point. It's a car that BMW never usually made/make to this day. Every now and again they make a weirdo car that just has that something, 8-Series, Z1 and Z8. It's cool in an unquantifiable way. More than the sum of it's parts.
Exactly.
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Andyboy wrote:Give the Z4M a swerve, and get the 3.0Si Coupe. Not as fast in a straight line, but a much nicer car. The Z4M is just hard work.

The Z1 was an interesting idea, and has far more credibility than the weirdo crap they make now (X1, X6, 5GT) but they just never did it for me. Put it this way - park a Z1 next to an Inca orange 3.0CSL and which would make you say 'F*CK ME!! I WANT THAT!!!".


Z1 is the incorrect answer.
If you were asking the general public, the Z1 will win, the doors will attract more interest and it looks like a newer car.

To petrolheads, the CSL, as they know its pedigree, what lies underneath.
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Mr jet bmw stuggled to sell the last few thousand Z1's :? after forcasting demand that wasn't there
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Simon13 wrote:Mr jet bmw stuggled to sell the last few thousand Z1's :? after forcasting demand that wasn't there
most likely because of the £37.400 price tag!!!!
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Jetl3on wrote: impressive but does not Change the fact you don't know any Z1 owners. you may have purchased 2 for profit but that's not the same as ownership in the context we are discussing.
The Z1 is far more than a one trick pony which you would know if you look beyond the resale value, It sounds like your judging the car purely on what you lost rather than constructive comments such as the innovative Z axle, found on later Z and BMW models, aluminium monocoque shell, weight distribution, vario paintwork, multi layer plastic body panels, rear diffuser, handling and the unbelievable sliding doors , still unrivalled to this day, technology all before it's time and still a head turner next to most supercars, one of the few cars I have seen that few people criticise, apart from guys looking for a quick profit.
And for all that, the Z1 was still a failure. It failed because despite all the technology, it wasn't really that great - capable but lacking a certain something. Yes, I've driven one.
The Z1's main problem is one of image. Thinking back to when they were new, my Mum would have driven one, but my Dad? Never!
Thats you, Pacerpete and your dad, I make that 3 against.
As you have not added any specifics, (`something` does not explain very much) its hardly a failure.
You forgot every buyer who plumped for a 911 Convertible, TVR, 328GTS......... :D

I like cars, but the Z1 was never something I ever wanted to own. If we're talking specifics, the laughable lack of performance is as good a starting place as any. Spending Porsche money and only getting 325i performance is a joke. My Dad's 964 Carrera 4 didb't cost a great deal more, yet the Z1 pilot wouldn't even see which way it went. The Z1 looked odd, and it was slow. What exactly was the point of it?
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Andyboy wrote:Give the Z4M a swerve, and get the 3.0Si Coupe. Not as fast in a straight line, but a much nicer car. The Z4M is just hard work.

The Z1 was an interesting idea, and has far more credibility than the weirdo crap they make now (X1, X6, 5GT) but they just never did it for me. Put it this way - park a Z1 next to an Inca orange 3.0CSL and which would make you say 'F*CK ME!! I WANT THAT!!!".


Z1 is the incorrect answer.
If you were asking the general public, the Z1 will win, the doors will attract more interest and it looks like a newer car.

To petrolheads, the CSL, as they know its pedigree, what lies underneath.
You're kidding yourself! No self respecting bloke would choose what is really a German Hi Tech Triumph Spitfire over a CSL!
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Separated at birth?

The BMW Z1

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and the Reliant SS-1

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Shurely Shome Mishtake?
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Christ, the Z1 actually makes the SS-1 look good!
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Simon13 wrote:Mr jet bmw stuggled to sell the last few thousand Z1's :? after forcasting demand that wasn't there
Yes indeed, but nothing to do with the car, you may recall there was a major financial crisis in 1989, which coincided with the release of the Z1.
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Morat wrote:Separated at birth?

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Oh God no! The Z1 might have been effeminate, but at least it was good looking. The Scumitar was bloody awful - although it did drive very well.

The best sports car of that era - having driven them extensively when new (I used to sell them), was the the FWD Lotus Elan. Ignore all the nonsense about fwd - they were an absolute benchmark in car handling and the way they used go......
They were remarkably reliable as well, a Lotus first!
Again though, they were just too expensive although still over £10'000 cheaper than the Z1. What scuppered it was the Mazda MX5.
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Andyboy wrote:Give the Z4M a swerve, and get the 3.0Si Coupe. Not as fast in a straight line, but a much nicer car. The Z4M is just hard work.

The Z1 was an interesting idea, and has far more credibility than the weirdo crap they make now (X1, X6, 5GT) but they just never did it for me. Put it this way - park a Z1 next to an Inca orange 3.0CSL and which would make you say 'F*CK ME!! I WANT THAT!!!".


Z1 is the incorrect answer.
If you were asking the general public, the Z1 will win, the doors will attract more interest and it looks like a newer car.

To petrolheads, the CSL, as they know its pedigree, what lies underneath.
You're kidding yourself! No self respecting bloke would choose what is really a German Hi Tech Triumph Spitfire over a CSL!
You are wrongly assuming everyone is as knowledgeable as you are.
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So, the Z1 only appeals to people who don't know what they are talking about?
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Sorry jet but no red blooded male would pick a Z1 over a CSL.

Please note I don't include hair dressers in that statement.
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Morat wrote:Separated at birth?

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Oh God no! The Z1 might have been effeminate, but at least it was good looking. The Scumitar was bloody awful - although it did drive very well.

The best sports car of that era - having driven them extensively when new (I used to sell them), was the the FWD Lotus Elan. Ignore all the nonsense about fwd - they were an absolute benchmark in car handling and the way they used go......
They were remarkably reliable as well, a Lotus first!
Again though, they were just too expensive although still over £10'000 cheaper than the Z1. What scuppered it was the Mazda MX5.
Interesting, you called it reliable whilst failing to mention the poor quality interior, plasticky bits falling off and the fact many of its parts can be found on a Vauxhall or was it Ford? (more subjective and biased comments??)

The Lotus Elan is a fantastic little car, but 20years on, where are they now, selling for 3K on ebay.
Now go check the classifieds for a high mileage Z1, 20years on and still bulletproof, rustproof, and prices stabilised at 15-22K for the past 10years.
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