B3 3.2 Touring its suddenly getting old

[Kos]

No, your opinion was to remove the Alpina engine and put a 2.8 in it while rebuilding the Alpina engine which was madness!

i said that's a better option than fucking about pulling heads on and off

my words were

**** pulling a head off later down the line and replacing it with a re worked head. build the engine once and put it in when the time is right

and

while it is 800 quid, its also the right thing to do

Yes, people were contributing including myself until you piped up and shot my (wise) idea down.......

i dont believe in doing a job twice. a dealer tech knows that ;)

What skills are they, how to clean a car?

yep and civil avaition, sporting shooting, automotive photography, internet arguments

Whats this dealer syndrome/attitude noise you're on about? Yes i know im not perfect but i don't talk shit or try to make out im something im not.

you make out you are right all the time

How on earth do you KNOW that that the gear box will be fine with fresh oil?!

and how do you know its not ?

yes they fail, but the vast majority are fine arent they? of the 100's of thousands in cars, only a small percentage fail

if this happens it happens, regardless of what head/engine is in there. he will have to fix it and spend more money, its that simple
so, by that logic fix the obvious fault now, do it the right way and move forward.

[bss325i]

No, your opinion was to remove the Alpina engine and put a 2.8 in it while rebuilding the Alpina engine which was madness!

i said that's a better option than ******* about pulling heads on and off

my words were

**** pulling a head off later down the line and replacing it with a re worked head. build the engine once and put it in when the time is right

and

while it is 800 quid, its also the right thing to do

But its not a better thing to do and the £800 might be needed else where. This is meant to be a daily so needs be up and running soon, the previous daily the silver 328i is no more.

Yes, people were contributing including myself until you piped up and shot my (wise) idea down.......

i dont believe in doing a job twice. a dealer tech knows that ;)

So removing the Alpina engine to fit a 2.8 then removing the 2.8 to put the Alpina engine back like you suggested isnt doing it twice?

What skills are they, how to clean a car?

yep and civil avaition, sporting shooting, automotive photography, internet arguments

What relevance do they have to this thread apart from the internet arguments which you're not to hot at?

Whats this dealer syndrome/attitude noise you're on about? Yes i know im not perfect but i don't talk shit or try to make out im something im not.

you make out you are right all the time

But i am!:D

How on earth do you KNOW that that the gear box will be fine with fresh oil?!

and how do you know its not ?

I dont, but thats not to say there isnt a chance that it is, and believe me there is

yes they fail, but the vast majority are fine arent they? of the 100's of thousands in cars, only a small percentage fail

You obviously aren't aware of how common it is and not just in high mileage either.

if this happens it happens, regardless of what head/engine is in there. he will have to fix it and spend more money, its that simple

Yes, he will have to fix it regardless but instead of spunking £800 on a head, he needs to know if its toast or not. The car is meant to be a daily and needs to be up an running asap.

so, by that logic fix the obvious fault now, do it the right way and move forward.

Logic would dictate that you fix the apparent problem (and he would by using a standard head) but the logical route is not always the most economical of practical route to take.

The bottom line is that this car is meant to be a daily so needs to be up and running asap.
It also a high mileage car which isn't of huge value and is very unlikely to be anytime soon.
Throwing £800 at a worked head without vetting the car properly or even worse, taking a backward and long step by fitting a 2.8 is unwise and anyone who has half a clue will agree.

[e30topless]

f*ck me this thread got boring check out all the quoting !!

my opinion, not that it matters, try get the Pina head fixed and tested if that's not possible go with the replacement ? spunking 800 sheets on a reworked head seems a bit OTT IMO

check out the price of this spare donk
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ALPINA-B10-Motor ... 35b1845987

[Kos]

But its not a better thing to do and the £800 might be needed else where. This is meant to be a daily so needs be up and running soon, the previous daily the silver 328i is no more.


So removing the Alpina engine to fit a 2.8 then removing the 2.8 to put the Alpina engine back like you suggested isnt doing it twice?

The bottom line is that this car is meant to be a daily so needs to be up and running asap.
It also a high mileage car which isn't of huge value and is very unlikely to be anytime soon.
Throwing £800 at a worked head without vetting the car properly or even worse, taking a backward and long step by fitting a 2.8 is unwise and anyone who has half a clue will agree.

but its the right thing to do, thats more important than whats better in the short term

short term he can use the e30 touring

if he wants to go semi resto and be ultra picky and fully vet the car. the engine idea was another option. not the best, but neither was bolting a stock head on to a car that may have block issues and box issues

the value of the car will be higher this way, because if its up an running, do you really see simon taking time out to pull it apart later to put in a re worked alpina spec head ? no, and it wont be right and come sale time........... it will be less powerful and noticeable to a possible buyer who knows what they are looking at/for

will you get every penny back you have spent on your sport ? no, but why do you do it and in that manor , ie everything to be as close to perfect ? for the love and because its rhight

as stated before, i'm not the most skilled with a spanner but i know a few things about cars. and yes i can clean them, your previous post implies i know nothing, which is not quite the case. so for some fun i throw in some other skilzzzz that i have.

you know as much as i do this is and always has been the right option, but you are so intent on 'winning' you are now condoning and justifying a bodge which is against your own principles and hight standards lol



i win

[DanThe]

Bitch fest!

Steve that is stupid, there is a 3.4 donk for 3k on UK ebay

Let me know what this ike chap charges for the replica Si

[bss325i]

but its the right thing to do, thats more important than whats better in the short term

short term he can use the e30 touring

if he wants to go semi resto and be ultra picky and fully vet the car. the engine idea was another option. not the best, but neither was bolting a stock head on to a car that may have block issues and box issues

He needs to vet the car before throwing large sums of money at it and a few evenings work and £100 will reveal all.

the value of the car will be higher this way, because if its up an running, do you really see simon taking time out to pull it apart later to put in a re worked alpina spec head ? no,

Yes i do see him doing it because Simon is a very sick puppy that has got the tinkering bug bad hence why he keeps deviating from more pressing matters like the 2dr. Once thats finnished an that will be very soon, he will be up for some more spannering.

and it wont be right and come sale time........... it will be less powerful and noticeable to a possible buyer who knows what they are looking at/for

Simon wont be selling this anytime soon.

will you get every penny back you have spent on your sport ? no, but why do you do it and in that manor , ie everything to be as close to perfect ? for the love and because its rhight

I will never sell my sport so the sums are irrelevant.

as stated before, i'm not the most skilled with a spanner but i know a few things about cars. and yes i can clean them, your previous post implies i know nothing, which is not quite the case. so for some fun i throw in some other skilzzzz that i have.

you know as much as i do this is and always has been the right option, but you are so intent on 'winning' you are now condoning and justifying a bodge which is against your own principles and hight standards lol[/quite]

Yes, putting the original or exact copy of the Alpina head is the right thing to do in the long term but by carrying out the "bodge" of which its not, will get the car up and running cheap to suss out whats good or bad about the rest of the car.

I never said bolt a standard head on and leave it on!

i win

Who's trying to "win" now but if you want me to stoop to those levels then i win because Simon has listened to me and taken the sensible option so there is nothing more to discuss.

The end.

[Kos]

Yes, putting the original or exact copy of the Alpina head is the right thing to do

so ........




bye

[bss325i]

Lol!

You didn't quote the who thing though so you Fail.

[Simon13]

holy sh!t.

[Kos]

i think you'll find that you have just failed

Lol!

You didn't quote the who thing though so you Fail.

read the small print at the bottom

Yes, putting the original or exact copy of the Alpina head is the right thing to do in the long term

yes life is long term, so short term decisions are ill advised, as per your poster

so this

But its not a better thing to do and the £800 might be needed else where. This is meant to be a daily so needs be up and running soon, the previous daily the silver 328i is no more.

means the short term goal is incorrect



fail/win/loose

who cares, you are arguing with yourself now

[Demlotcrew]

I think you are mad Simon, I would just get the head repaired, There is no way Ike can replicate what Alpina have done exactly for a lot less than £800 and still make a profit, unless he charges minimum wage.

Either way, the car (regardless of mileage) is ruined with anything but the original head. I dont know why you wont listen to people who actually know what they are advising you of.

[bss325i]

Its a 190k turd for f*ck sakes, not a matching numbers sport evo.

[Demlotcrew]

Still an Alpina Barry, one of 5. That makes it much rarer than any of your turds.

[bss325i]

i think you'll find that you have just failed

Kos, your are becoming boring now.

Simon has MADE the RIGHT decision for NOW.

[bss325i]

Still an Alpina Barry, one of 5. That makes it much rarer than any of your turds.

Maybe but what exactly have my turds got to do with it Andrew?

[Demlotcrew]

Still an Alpina Barry, one of 5. That makes it much rarer than any of your turds.

Maybe but what exactly have my turds got to do with it Andrew?

Barry, if you had something special you might have a different view on the matter, thats what.

[E30BeemerLad]

Saucer of milk for Andrew

[bss325i]

Still an Alpina Barry, one of 5. That makes it much rarer than any of your turds.

Maybe but what exactly have my turds got to do with it Andrew?

Barry, if you had something special you might have a different view on the matter, thats what.

Jeez, for the millionth time im not saying bolt a standard head and leave it at that. Get it running for a low cost and reassess.

You must have forgot but i have been down a similar route with my old E46 B3S! Which was equally as special and much more valuable.

[Dezzy]

Saucer of milk for Andrew

Gayness of this magnitude making you uncomfortable too mate? From someone who should know better too

[Demlotcrew]

Barry, from what Simon has said, the car is in exceptional condition for its mileage and age, no electrical faults, amazing body work, no rust and clean interior, all the reasons to keep the car original and fix the cracked head and start putting it back to former glory.

[Andyboy]

There will be nothing wrong with the box. These are the ZF 5HP18 with proper cast/forged brake drums and not the pressed steel shit used on later 19/24 units. Nothing wrong with lifetime oil either so don't worry too much about changing it. These boxes can do over 300'000 miles without any attention.

[e30topless]

Still an Alpina Barry, one of 5. That makes it much rarer than any of your turds.

i totally agree, maybe one day when E36's are valuable this will be a fine chariot if it retains all it's features,

with hindsight I'm sure Si would love to have the original head for the C2 regardless if it needed a repair ?

[Demlotcrew]

You must have forgot but i have been down a similar route with my old E46 B3S! Which was equally as special and much more valuable.

I haven't, that was a nice car, did you replace the Crank with a 2.8, re-assessed the gearbox with it running and then rebuilt it with the Alpina crank?

[Kos]

Jeez, for the millionth time im not saying bolt a standard head and leave it at that. Get it running for a low cost and reassess.

You must have forgot but i have been down a similar route with my old E46 B3S! Which was equally as special and much more valuable.

remind me baz, what was actually wrong with the B3s and how much of it did you re build/replace ?

[bss325i]

Barry, from what Simon has said, the car is in exceptional condition for its mileage and age, no electrical faults, amazing body work, no rust and clean interior, all the reasons to keep the car original and fix the cracked head and start putting it back to former glory.

Yes, it does appear to be in good condition cosmetically but a full inspection is still needed and reassessment of its mechanical condition when it is driveable.

For the twelftyith millionth time, the original head spec can be sorted later on down the line once all other areas are known to be good.

He's made his decision so there is no more to discuss.

[bss325i]

Jeez, for the millionth time im not saying bolt a standard head and leave it at that. Get it running for a low cost and reassess.

You must have forgot but i have been down a similar route with my old E46 B3S! Which was equally as special and much more valuable.

remind me baz, what was actually wrong with the B3s and how much of it did you re build/replace ?

Bottom end knock, engine was rebuilt after i knew the rest of the car was sound.

[Kos]

Jeez, for the millionth time im not saying bolt a standard head and leave it at that. Get it running for a low cost and reassess.

You must have forgot but i have been down a similar route with my old E46 B3S! Which was equally as special and much more valuable.

remind me baz, what was actually wrong with the B3s and how much of it did you re build/replace ?

Bottom end knock, engine was rebuilt after i knew the rest of the car was sound.

could you not have changed the shells and then re assessed it later rather than pulling the engine out and pulling the head off and the internals out etc


no, you didnt , you did it the correct way the 1st time which is what we are suggesting simon does now, but you think he is better off fitting a stock 2.8 head on as a stop gap and then re assess

[e30topless]

For the twelftyith millionth time, the original head spec can be sorted later on down the line once all other areas are known to be good

and at the same time he gets a daily back on the road which makes total sense

[bss325i]

could you not have changed the shells and then re assessed it later rather than pulling the engine out and pulling the head off and the internals out etc

no, you didnt , you did it the correct way the 1st time which is what we are suggesting simon does now, but you think he is better off fitting a stock 2.8 head on as a stop gap and then re assess

Changing shells was not an option as i knew from experience that there would be debris in various other parts of the engine, this was confirmed by removing the oil filter so a complete strip down and rebuild was the ONLY option.

The crank also needed to be reground.

Yes, i know he is better of spending £100 or there abouts and a relatively small amount of time to find out whats what.

Much more sensible than fitting a 2.8 engine only to have to swap it again or spunk £800 on a head only to find that the box is f*cked and that requires more time and money to fix.

We can keep going round and round in circles but the fact is his mind is made up.

[bss325i]

If you're going to pick trivial holes like that then what about your lack of capitals at the beginning of sentences so you've just made your self look even more stupid by highlighting a typo.

[bss325i]

If you're going to pick trivial holes like that then what about your lack of capitals at the beginning of sentences so you've just made your self look even more stupid by highlighting a typo.

grammar barry..........

as for lack of capitals, i cant be ****** to use the shift button nor can half the forum

That's a poor excuse for lazy grammar and it makes you a hypocrite (and lame) for picking out a spelling mistake.

Oh, and im not wearing blinkers, i just know what the sensible thing is to do.

I can keep going Kos.....

i know you can keep going, thats the fun part.

so, so far i'm think and stupid, anything else constructive you'd like to add ?

While we are on the subject, spelling mistake lol! ^^^

seriously, you are blinkered. you fight your own shadow and contradict your own work ethic which makes you a hypocrite.

how is it sensible to do a job twice ? its not. if this was your car, would you slap on a 2.8 head ? No, you'd buy a new alpina head if you could.

I'm not contradicting any work ethic, i'm suggesting a sensible route to take which may not conform to a perfect world scenario, its conforming to a real world scenario in that things cost money and things take time.

If i was in the exact same situation as simon i would have had it up an running by now with a stock 2.8 head, not "slapped" on then seeing whats what, enjoying a nice daily and finishing off the 2dr then when thats complete an im bored, come back to the B3 and do it some justice.

You make out like changing a head is some major task, its minor league in the grand scheme of things.

I'm far from blinkered on this subject as from years of messing about with cars in my spare time and doing it as a full time job, i know what its a realistic proposition and what could be and expensive mistake.

Bye Kos.

TBC no doubt!

Unless you just admit that im right and you're wrong and we can move on.

[Kos]

4 and a half pages of Barry and Kos arguing...

personally I think this thread should be cleaned up..

No way!

Leave the two zone post whores to it!

Simon,it's your car,your choice.

Post whore , moi ?

You need to look at your post count and joining date , or is it obscured by green dulux? ;)

[daimlerman]

4 and a half pages of Barry and Kos arguing...

personally I think this thread should be cleaned up..

No way!

Leave the two zone post whores to it!

Simon,it's your car,your choice.

Post whore , moi ?

You need to look at your post count and joining date , or is it obscured by green dulux? ;)

Kos,

At least my posts are,in the main,usefull input to other zoner's.

Yours,well,just review the last few pages on this topic alone!

[DanThe]

Lifetime oil after only 3,000 miles!

[B7]

Lifetime oil after only 3,000 miles!

To be fair dan, if that was after an oil change, that would be mixed with a fair bit of old from the torque converter etc. I considered this when barry did my lifetime change. Should I do it again after say 10k and use the first lot as a flush?