Alpina B10 Bi turbo, this car is haunting me 11/2/15

[Andyboy]

E46 diffs do so much work they rip the back ends apart, FACT!

I've heard they split in half right down the middle and fall in half.

[bss325i]

Piloting an E34 in the bends is akin to steering the good ship SS great Briton in a gale force sea storm.

[pony]

i'm not locking horns. Just jesting, would be nice to have a drag race up santa pod just to pit such cars and see whats what. There won't be anyone else bringing one along to give some ********* up there but there will be 100 e46 m3's

Soni come to guildford next thurs and we can see how epic the lack of turbo lag is. I'll take you out. Its no flatter than any other m-power engine at low RPMS tbh in my experience bar say the V8 M5. Which gets up and goes in any gear at any rpm.

The e46 was geared up to keep it infront of the e36 version. 3.64 vs 3.23. Due to the weight gain the car has over the e36 and the fact bmw could only squeeze 20 odd more ponies out of the old S50 donk.

Ok deal take me for a ride in your Alpina

[pony]

E46 diffs do so much work they rip the back ends apart, FACT!

I've heard they split in half right down the middle and fall in half.

Yeah and what engine beat the 996 flat sixes and 360 Modena engines in the International Engine of the Year Awards 3-4 litre category in 2001 - 2006 ....

Which m3 did BMW Car mag say is the best BMW ever ? Which is the best road going version ? Yes same power and mass but there is an improvement in steering and brakes. And what is Evo's opinion ? Have u ever owned a M3 CS ?

The car I had the most ever adrenaline rush in was actually when I was a passenger in 2001 in my school friend's dad 911 Turbo (964) 3.3 litre. I think the E46 M3 according to the numbers is quicker 0-100 but when the turbo kicked in really did feel like a roller coaster. I was raving about it for weeks and the E46 M3 Coupe had just come out. Was at the time the fastest I car I ever sat in. I have had a ride in or driven cars with more bhp but that gave the biggest thrill for me when the turbo kicked in hence the adrenaline was so exciting

[pony]

Sounds like an E46 Mtree driver innit

Done many track days or 1/4 mile runs with your turd pony?

No I have not

Never even done a launch on it

[dave525]

this is starting to look like zone gold I once read some stats on the internet that one car is faster than another too

[pacerpete]

Its a knucklefest !

[Andyboy]

E46 diffs do so much work they rip the back ends apart, FACT!

I've heard they split in half right down the middle and fall in half.

Yeah and what engine beat the 996 flat sixes and 360 Modena engines in the International Engine of the Year Awards 3-4 litre category in 2001 - 2006 ....

Which m3 did BMW Car mag say is the best BMW ever ? Which is the best road going version ? Yes same power and mass but there is an improvement in steering and brakes. And what is Evo's opinion ? Have u ever owned a M3 CS ?

The car I had the most ever adrenaline rush in was actually when I was a passenger in 2001 in my school friend's dad 911 Turbo (964) 3.3 litre. I think the E46 M3 according to the numbers is quicker 0-100 but when the turbo kicked in really did feel like a roller coaster. I was raving about it for weeks and the E46 M3 Coupe had just come out. Was at the time the fastest I car I ever sat in. I have had a ride in or driven cars with more bhp but that gave the biggest thrill for me when the turbo kicked in hence the adrenaline was so exciting

Given that the 996 engine is the most unreliable, poorly developed piece of junk Porsche have ever made , that is what is known as damning with faint praise.
The S54 is a very good engine. It's powerful, reliable and good on fuel. But it doesn't have two turbos and thus the sheer thrust that onlt a turbo engine can give. You've not driven one so you don 't understand but a 964 turbo is an education.
Not owned a CS but it's only s regular M3 with some bits on, unlike a CSL.

[Simon13]

I managed a spec check on this just out of interest yesterday

So its comes up as a bi turbo on bmws system with lots of warning! like alpinas do

built 8th sept 92 it was PDI'd by alpina themselves in oct 92.

Supplied new to Niederlassung of Stuttgart bm dealer in 21st jan 94! So it sat around somewhere for some time? Maybe at Alpina themselves as i guess it was still recession time? i was only 10 so can't remember as well as some here might!

Running in service wasn't done until may 95 with nearly 6000kmh on it

Anyhow heres what was ticked

nation version germany/austria 535i saloon diamond black

Limited slip diff LSD

Automatic stability control ASC

Self leveling suspension SLS

leather steering wheel

deleted model lettering

shadow line

windscreen, green tint upper strip

electric sunroof

rear sun blinds and lateral

warning triangle and first aid kit

head rests rear mechanicall adjustable

headlamp washer system intensive cleaning

headlight vertical aim control

automatic air flow control

automatic air conditioning

interior light package

Radio bavaria electronic CD II - if that was a CD player its missing!

HiFi speaker system

Alpina without registration document

Alpina engine-oil cooler

special equipment BMW individual - not sure whats on there for this?



Theres no mention of cruise control or the recaro interior? must be the individual bits as i've not seen a bi turbo with out cruise control
reinforced power supply - whats that?

[bss325i]

Reinforced power supply will be bigger alternator.

[DanThe]

Is it just an alternator Barry as ive seen E34 diagrams showing an extra battery in the LH side of the boot

Why would you buy a motor like this and not take it for its running in service until 6000km?

[pacerpete]

I have seen Biturbos with the extra battery but I am pretty certain this one hasn't , or did I chaw it ?

[anothere21323i]

Supplied new to Niederlassung of Stuttgart bm dealer in 21st jan 94! So it sat around somewhere for some time? Maybe at Alpina themselves as i guess it was still recession time? i was only 10 so can't remember as well as some here might!

Niederlassung means registered office/branch/establishment (in BMW context in Germany it means the state or regional HQ - for your car it'll most likely be Baden Wurtemburg) and is not the name of a dealer so it's more likely that the car was registered to BMW themselves. So possibly your car was a company car or a demonstrator originally before being retailed?

[Andyboy]

Niederlassung is what the big dealers in each city are called. They are all owned by BMW AG. From here there are normally several smaller privately or dealer chain satellite dealerships.

[Simon13]

Who knows? It wasn't in germany long really, and theres a few early services done in stuttgart and then its all UK history.



So today being to cold for brickwork meant i could have a bit of time for some B10 tinkering





Another arse end shot but theres some rust around where the boot spoiler mounts








spoiler off, rust is localised nothing nasty, but more to the point i think it looks 100 times better without the rude boy spoiler which i guess helps on the autobahn 170mph








A good wash, some new numberplates. The old sytner plates can go up on the hall of fame in the garage









the door strikers on this side needed some adjustment as the rear door looked not shut properly! So this in turn ment the front one was a bit out. You can kind of see it looks straight now, much better in the flesh









The ultimate in discretion for the uber saloon


tempting to remove alpina script also. I think i'll get another boot lid with no holes in it

[Simon13]

518i badge?

[Nobby_N]

Yes to the badge and also yes too losing the spoiler! Epic win

[Blitz]

Now thats a sleeper. I remember there was a diamond black M30 530i with no spoiler in my local scrap yard.

[e30topless]

was the spoiler an aftermarket thing ?

[Simon13]

they all had the boot spoilers from what i've seen. It really heavy like the hartge e30 ones!

Mo grab the lid if it isn't fooked? same drill as before

[Kedge]

That looks a proper sleeper now!

[pony]

I think a 520 or 525 badge would suit well as shows has 6 cylinders but is a base model

Looks good

[Andyboy]

Adding a badge from a lower model just looks crap. Plain boot with no model inscription is the way to go, with just the grille badge.

[Rosc0PColtrane]

I think a 520 or 525 badge would suit well as shows has 6 cylinders but is a base model

Looks good

That is so gay.

[pony]

I think a 520 or 525 badge would suit well as shows has 6 cylinders but is a base model

Looks good

That is so gay.

Explain ?

[Blitz]

they all had the boot spoilers from what i've seen. It really heavy like the hartge e30 ones!

Mo grab the lid if it isn't fooked? same drill as before

Sorry its gone, went to China I guess. No one touches the E34's in my scrap yard. Theres a 535i sport with leather, cruise and OBC. Nobody has touched it expect me.

[Speedtouch]

I like the Alpina badge - why not distinguish it as something a bit special, rather than some anonymous plain-Jane luxo-barge?

[DanThe]

I think a 520 or 525 badge would suit well as shows has 6 cylinders but is a base model

Looks good

That is so gay.

Explain ?

He will look like an eastern european builder with chawed number plates

[staley_turbo]

Call me a chav - but I like the spoiler.

[Splondike]

If it was mine I would stump up the cash for the proper badging and let everyone know what it is Also stripe up the bugger as well I prefer the look without the spoiler, but if it was originally specced I would be inclined to keep it that way. Anyway it's your beasty so get it how you want it Si !

[Simon13]

choices, choices! i'd prefer it myself as more plain jane at the moment. What people don't know won't hurt them kind of thing

[Speedtouch]

True - there is something to had about a stealth bomber!

[Simon13]

Had to be done, phoned Charlie at Surrey Rolling Road on friday, he said pop down between 11-1 today. He literally stopped a renault clio RR day to put this on he has a bi turbo in bits but its a long story. Said they've never had one on the dyno before. Anyhow its always nice to know and see what the score is, so heres the graphs.






Its running lean, not sure why at this moment in time. But 346bhp isn't bad going but the 400lbs is noice! This was on max boost. Min boost was 287bhp and 330lbs. Basically theres more power in it once it fueling properly. Not far off the factory figures either. Just need to work out why its running lean




Then at last a chance to get her on the ramp, wheels off for a good poke around lets see what needs doing!





Henry and Barry are photo shy





These need taking off and replating in the stock zinc/passivate. Very impressive brakes these have. Really work well






oh dear, the only real oil leak to be fair. Spotted this the other week. Lots of new SLS bits fitted. Lots of bespoke alpina bits too around the diff






Can you see the pipe in the valance, they run all the way to the diff. Keeps it cool when your doing 170mph down the autobahn for hours and hours







Turbos, theres a blow here on front turbo we think. This won't be helping the lean mixture. I'll probably start there along with possibly getting the injectors cleaned and looking for any leaks on the inlet side of things.

Could be AFM? Looking on the Alpina ETK it uses a MAF from a 3.6 european spec M5. I thought yes BMW part no listed at first! not a short alpina one. On alpina etk if its a stock BMW part fitted its an 11 digit part, no. If its an alpina only part its a short 7 digit no. with 91 47 added on the start and these no.s usually mean lots of money! Alas M-power part isn't really any cheaper! Its location is right next to turbos so its getting lots of heat all the time


Also to add to bills of owning such a car. In 5th gear on m-way today, max boost foot planted revs got to 3000rpm and the clutch slipped Time to start the monies £££

[e30topless]

Si, the blow will probably be on the rear manifold, the Bi is well known for going there, IIRC it's not a cheap fix but worthwhile doing, interesting to see they use a MAF ?

nice to see she's making good power