So, now I've polished it all up... what do I do to keep it?

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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:40 pm

Folks,
For the people bored enough to read my Turd Polishing thread you'll know that I've clayed and 3 stepped my car. Now its a week and 900 miles later and its looking a bit grubby again.

Its still shinier than it ever was.. but has bird poo and dust/mud on it. Do I start again with the polishes and work my way back up to wax? Do I use a car wash and then go straight to wax?

Please tell me I don't have to spend 8 hours a week polishing now that I've started? :D
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:44 pm

wax it, wax it, wax it.

simple, then wash the lose grime off the wax.

next time you want to clean the car you just need to wash it then protect it with wax.

wax is just a sacrificial barrier to protect your paint.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:58 pm

A CAR WASH :eek:

Wash the car with a decent shampoo that wont strip the wax, then add another layer of polish/wax
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:04 pm

Wash first else you'll etch the paint trying to wax it while dirty :eek:
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:12 pm

sorry didn't realise it was dirty, wash it first then wax the clean surface.

and a proper polish will be abrasive so will remove a wax layer. Washing will also remove most if not all of a wax layer. So next time you clean (and then of you wish polish) your car, you will need to add wax again.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:31 pm

Good car shampoo will not strip anything off the paint work. After zaino'ing my car i can wash/dry it and it will look just as good as it did when it was first polished.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:46 pm

polished or waxed? two different things, I never said you had to polish it again I said you would have to wax it again, wax is just a sacraficial layer to protect the rest of the cars surface.
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:50 pm

In my case its polish but before i used zaino i used zymol which contains wax. When the car was washed with zymol shampoo it would still shine like it had just been applied
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:58 pm

taken from autopia and detailingworld.co.uk

http://www.guidetodetailing.com/article ... rticleId=9
Regardless of how gentle your car shampoo is, or when you last waxed your car, driving and washing deplete the wax or sealant protection you've applied to your car. For this reason, I like to use a quick detailing spray on my car after washing. A good detailing spray renews the just waxed shine and extends the life of your wax or sealant.
I will repeat a point I made earlier on another thread, polishes are abbrassive they remove oxidisation/swirls/surface defects by removing very small very fine layers of the laquer surface of the paint, they WILL remove wax and they will remove some of the top layer to the paint (which is not neccessarily actually paint). Polishes should also be removed after use so they don't keep removing layers, therefore polish does not build up.

Wax dulls and wears even over a period of days, washing the car will also strip the wax layer, maybe not all but some of it and possibly all of it, you just can't tell.

your comment is confused a good shampoo won't strip anything off the paint, but the wax layer is not part of the paint and I never said it was. I'll see if I can find a picture of the layers to describe what I'm hashing an explanation of!
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:26 pm

I'll see if I can find a picture of the layers to describe what I'm hashing an explanation of!
No need, i understand what your saying. As i dont use waxes any more iv never really bothered getting into the science of how they work.

Zaino is the only polish i know anything about, but im sure all their products are totally non abrasive apart from one. Also, you say polish should not be layered, but this is encouraged by zaino (and C76JON). Im confused now!
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:08 am

Don't worry there are some polishes out there that are protectants, in which case the really arn't a polish at all.
Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.

If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:

"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."
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"To make smooth and glossy by friction."

waxes protect the finish left;

Paint protection products (waxes by any other name), whether they are based on natural ingredients or synthetic ingredients (or a blend of both) provide a protective film, or Sacrificial Barrier (as mentioned above) against Mother Nature and other detrimental or corrosive substances. Without this sacrificial barrier, your finish is susceptible to attack at any time, as harmful or corrosive substances come into direct contact with the surface.

If a product is labeled a polish, but in fact is used to protect, then you know it's a wax or a paint protectant and not an actual polish in the true sense of the definition of the word. The inability of a company to correctly label their products should be a clear warning that calls into skepticism any of their claims, not to mention the quality of their products as well as their credibility.
I have to point out I don't fully believe the last part about quality, but rather think its probably some marketing guff which is why many companies mis-label the products. I highly rate zaino myself.
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Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:08 pm

zaino is a sealant
it is not a polish
for something to polish it has to be abrasive in some way

z-pc is abrasive and theefore classed as polish
so is z-aio

i think th reason some makers label as polish is because of the publics perceptions and to some extent lack of knowledge

people refer to anything that they use on cars paint as polish.therefore when they go looking in halfords for "polish" unless it says it on the bottle they kinda wont buy it

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:48 pm

Soooo, what I should be doing is pretty much what I did to get it shiny in the first place but I won't need to go as hard on the polishing bit because its already nice and smooth?
Wash (two buckets method), polish any bits that have suffered since the last session and then wax the whole lot once its nice and shiny?

Cheers, and thanks for humouring me - I'm sure this should be easy!!!
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