M20B25 into 318is in a weekend (Pics added).

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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:30 pm

Woohoo. Who said I'd never get round to anything E30?????

My Silver (minty) 325i has finally relinquished it's grip on the strangled 2.5 auto engine and it has been fitted into my poor, old, tired and dirty 318iS.

It all started at the end of the weekend of Easter. I had managed to get the M20 out a while ago so first had to remove the Auto transmission and fit the spigot bearing. This was a Euro Car Parts part and fitted perfectly with a little persuasion with a â€Ëatappy-stick'. The switching auto box is absolutely sweet as a nut if anyone is interested, the 325i has only done 65,000 very careful miles since 1988. PM me.

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I managed to pick up a manual gearbox, flywheel, clutch and prop from a zoner (Kevo) a while back with a mind to this conversion so I thought I had all of the parts required. It turns out that the prop I had was a 325i one but must have been from an early model (it also came with an old style shifter stick) as the prop centre bearing wouldn't fit into the 318iS shell. To overcome this I had to fit a replacement bearing and support from a 1990 325i; also from ECP. This was easy enough. I used the “spline grippy thingâ€a from the iS as it was in much better condition, and cleaned all of the splines and greased before re-assembly. A lot of groans and clonks come from seized prop splines as far as I can see, they need to slide when in operation. I made sure it doesn't go out of balance by marking it with a tip-ex pen before splitting.

We had taken the silver 325i's engine and auto box out from underneath (see my other post about progress on the S50 swap) but partly this was because the auto-box is big and I'd need the access to the engine bay for the S50 swap; and partly because I wanted to see if it was any easier. It isn't. A load leveller, engine crane and top access is the way forward!

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The 1.8 engine came out with no dramas at all, only the huge amounts of oil vapour of 200,000 miles of ragging making a right mess bothered us. Likewise, fitting the 2.5 engine from above was very little drama. I dragged the engine on our rubbish stoney driveway, and lifted it. It was then a matter of rolling the car back and forth, moving the load leveller's pivot point and the crane up and down. Lining up the engine mounts required one heavy mate and a bit of luck. He pogo'd on the half suspended engine and I popped the nuts on when they happened upon the studs. Was a bit of a laugh!

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One thing worth noting: The 318iS radiator I took out was exactly the same size/capacity as the 325i auto, only had the handy expansion tank on the side. I would definately have used it but for the fact mine was shot to hell. The 325i one was mint. As it is I had to make brackets to hold the 325i expansion tank. They aren;t pretty, big or cleer but the car runs so I'm happy. Plus you can;t really tell a five year old made them....

The clutch caused a few dramas.. The slave cylinder WOULD NOT bleed! Ended up bleeding each pipe individually and poking the bleed hole out to release the crud that was blocking it. Drama over after at least a wasted hour and brake fluid down my arm and into my armpit. YUK. It was all black and ancient too.

I had concerns about the wiring. On the auto, cranking is prevented when not in park or neutral and I had worries about this affecting the engine after conversion. Ian kindly looked at the wiring diagrams and assured me the cut off is part of the car loom and the engine loom from an auto should be the same as a manual. I was also relieved when the loom for the alarm, which runs through the same grommet as the engine loom, didn't splice into anywhere but under the dash. This meant I didn't have to cut or join a single wire to fit the engine.

When I first connected the battery and turned the key: NOTHING, no cranking or life signs at all.. I thought I was going to have to sulk for days but when I came back later, and tried it without thinking, it started up without even cranking! Brrrmmmm……. WOW! I had forgotten to blip the alarm/immobiliser! DOH! It's OK, the neighbours are used to my foul mouth!

Whilst there, I changed my tired steering rack, column and power steering pipes/pump for the silver cars one. Down from 200,000 miles to 65,000 for the lot of them. Unfortunately the geometry was WAY WAY WAY off, due to the lowering and the M3 suspension and I couldn't get the track rods loose with my tools. It's a nightmare as I had to leave the car in Essex and borrow mum's Corrado.

Right: If you are reading this and there aren't any photo's, it's because I haven't put them on yet. I assure you I will, I bought a shiny new Nokia N95 and the novelty of a 5 megapixel camera phone hasn't worn off yet! I shall post today or this eve (I have loads of work to do her at, err, work).

Lastly: A massive thanks to my mate Shaun (in the pics), and to Ian for the help with the wiring panic.

Jai
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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:11 pm

Well done Jai!

Awesome work in a weekend, you make it sound so easy :D

I managed to swap the PAS rack out of my M40 at the weekend, so I had power steering fliud in my armpits also :cool: Also managed to snap a screwdriver in my hand which decide to use my hand as a replacement handle, blood everywhere! Ow well all in the name of e30's.

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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:02 pm

Well it was sposed to be a weekend. :o:

Turned out more like two, though had we got up at a reasonable time we could have done it in one! My fault, the girlfriend came to my mums and we either did what couples do all night (row that is!) or I was entertaining her. God bless her she can make tea fast enough for even Shaun and I whilst working on cars! (the caffeine got to him in the end and he couldn;t get out of the loo!!)

I got lucky, I normally knee cap myself or something but this time only have the obligatory scraped knuckles and oily fingernails. :cool:

I couldn't drive it much (dangerous toe out, was making a squealing noise in a straight line!!!) but with the 4.1 LSD it hauls ass!

Looking forward to seeing what the weight difference makes exactly. I'm going from an electric handling 318is to a 325i essentially. Good for direct comparison. Will need some 6 pot front springs now though.

Pics to follow this eve, I think I'll stich them into the above thread.

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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:48 pm

Good work Jai 8)

Sounds like my M40 to M20 conversion on my touring which was also done in a weekend - after a few weeks wait cause of the broken fingers (prop bolt curse strikes again :roll: ).

Nothing wrong with some homemade brackets for the expansion tank etc, my tank and AFM are held on by some big meccano :D

It must be fun to drive with the 4.10 diff :D , probably not so good on fuel though :(
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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:48 pm

Cheers guys. Looking forward to driving it and getting the arse out a bit. The iS just didn't have the torque after the tyres and suspension were replaced! :cry:

I'll probably seek out a lower ratio lsd for the fuel economy. The auto would be revving quite low at 80 and the obc reported over 35 to the gallon. The engine is in great nick so hopefully it won't be too bad. Trouble is i might like the acceleration too much :P

I'll boot up the laptop and add the photos in a bit. Being a geek and adding this on my new toy:the n95. It's the tits!

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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:57 am

cuts and bruises - definitly an e30 curse.....just like today when mr pillar drill decided to eat my index finger when i was making my engine mounts. Every time i even go near the car i hurt myself!Oh well.

Awesome transplant by the way, bet its rapid with that diff! Good work mate, Alex
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Post Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:24 pm

Unfortunately I dont know...

My mum had the tracking done this morning because she needs a car to go to Nan's in (I have hers up here in Banbury and Cov atm) so she has the joy of 2.5 rightness!

My E30 hasn't damaged me too much yet. My old Golf was the source of a few trips to matrons office; somehow I managed to smash (luckily not literally) my knee cap removing a bush the council way (with a claw hammer!) and I dropped it on my ribs till a friend noticed my legs flailing and lifted the jack back up.

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Post Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:26 pm

Pics added Y'al...

Taken with my N95. It's a coooool gadget. I rescaled them to a sensible resolution for forums.

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Post Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:20 pm

I know what you mean about the fun with that diff. When I dropped the 525e engine into my tourer I left the original 320 diff in place. Smoked tyres in 1st and 2nd, and didn't need to drop down from 5th on the motorways when overtaking.

Fuel prices meant that I eventually slipped a 325 diff in and life is much calmer now :?
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Post Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:18 pm

nice job mate i did the same thing but i took out an m10 engine the only thing my taco doesn't work. did you have the same problem if so what did you do to fix it.

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Post Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:52 pm

Did the tacho read way too high for you? Reading 9000 when it should be 6000 for instance, then cutting out.

If so, do what I did. Take off the plastic trim around your clocks and you'll see a white plug in module to the bottom right corner. Swap this for one from a 325i. It's called the coding plug.

If you have a dead tacho it might be because of the differences between the early M10 loom and the loom of the engine you installed. Ask one of the guys, Ian332iSport is a wiring genius and loads of others here know more about E30's than I do about everything else in the world.

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