hi guys, me and my friend are currently doing the s50 swap we started this week and we have the new engine in and and a few things plumbed up (pics to follow) im going to post my questions in here ill prob have a few so hope u guys can help!!
first question, what brake servo are you using its very tight with the inlet on and i mean tight?
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Fook me. Tight?gazatron wrote:hi guys, me and my friend are currently doing the s50 swap we started this week and we have the new engine in and and a few things plumbed up (pics to follow) im going to post my questions in here ill prob have a few so hope u guys can help!!
first question, what brake servo are you using its very tight with the inlet on and i mean tight?
You're not kidding. Good luck with the swap. There are three or four 'on the go' on here at the moment.
Get those pics up.
yeh i have been searching a few days for the answer on here but no luck
i just need to know what servo and master cylinders people used and what mods where needed as its very tight
my other questions if any one can help are the matrix pipes from the bulkhead are right up against the inlet now, how have people solved this?
what radiator setups people have used i take it they have done away with the viscous fan and gone electric? does any one have any engine bay completed pics? or any links that may be useful
i also work for a uk main bmw dealer so if any one needs any help with anything else drop me a line
i just need to know what servo and master cylinders people used and what mods where needed as its very tight
my other questions if any one can help are the matrix pipes from the bulkhead are right up against the inlet now, how have people solved this?
what radiator setups people have used i take it they have done away with the viscous fan and gone electric? does any one have any engine bay completed pics? or any links that may be useful
i also work for a uk main bmw dealer so if any one needs any help with anything else drop me a line
This may be of some help:
Golf MkII 1.3 servo (ATE item) moved over 57mm on my car
You may be able to use the thin fan from the diesel. There is some info on here somewhere.
It's all here on the zone
Golf MkII 1.3 servo (ATE item) moved over 57mm on my car
Cut the matrix pipes back to inside the car and then use some 19mm i.d. samco elbows to go through the bulkhead grommet and connect up as normal.my other questions if any one can help are the matrix pipes from the bulkhead are right up against the inlet now, how have people solved this?
You may be able to use the thin fan from the diesel. There is some info on here somewhere.
It's all here on the zone
Mk1 Golf GTi servo (basically the same as the Mk2 1.3) in the stock E30 position with modded plenum.
The clearance between the end of the M/C and intake boot isnt as close as it looks, but this has been modded again since the pic was taken.
The clearance between the end of the M/C and intake boot isnt as close as it looks, but this has been modded again since the pic was taken.
James
'91 325i Sport
'93 318i touring 16v
'91 325i Sport
'93 318i touring 16v
Mate, you need to use the search function on the site. There is everything here. You just need to look for it.
It's a bit klunky and takes some getting used to but it does work and you can find all this stuff. Take a look at my "325i restoration - the long way round" thread in this section. Most of what you need has been covered on there.
It's a bit klunky and takes some getting used to but it does work and you can find all this stuff. Take a look at my "325i restoration - the long way round" thread in this section. Most of what you need has been covered on there.
honestly i have searched this site for days now the search seems to bring up most/every posts and if u use more than one key word ur screwed!! i jus thought id start a new thread get sum pics up etc of how my conversion is goin! alot of the threads seem to go off course too sorry to be a pain
No problem. I have the E36 S50 rad for my conversion. I'm retrofitting factory aircon so will be relying upon the aircon cooling fan for the engine cooling. ian332isport has done this on his, as have others and it works.
The engine mounts of choice seem to be E28 M5 items. If you are using the 5 speed gearbox then the E30 m3 propshaft can be used without modification.
If you fit the golf servo you will still need to modify the plenum. That's why I moved mine over to avoid this.
The master cylinder is a 25mm ATE unit from Audi 200 etc. Not very easy to find although there is a guy on ebay that has some. I have his username and email somewhere if you want it.
Good luck and get some pics posted up soon.
The engine mounts of choice seem to be E28 M5 items. If you are using the 5 speed gearbox then the E30 m3 propshaft can be used without modification.
If you fit the golf servo you will still need to modify the plenum. That's why I moved mine over to avoid this.
The master cylinder is a 25mm ATE unit from Audi 200 etc. Not very easy to find although there is a guy on ebay that has some. I have his username and email somewhere if you want it.
Good luck and get some pics posted up soon.
gazatron
the trick is to type in your search terms
for example type 's50 electric fan' and undersneath you must select the radio box "search for all terms" and it will only give you threads that contain ALL of your search words
as the way you have been doing it is it will return ANY thread that contains 'fan' AND ANY thread that contains 'electric' AND ANY thread that contains 's50' which is about 2 million!
hope that helps with your searching
the trick is to type in your search terms
for example type 's50 electric fan' and undersneath you must select the radio box "search for all terms" and it will only give you threads that contain ALL of your search words
as the way you have been doing it is it will return ANY thread that contains 'fan' AND ANY thread that contains 'electric' AND ANY thread that contains 's50' which is about 2 million!
hope that helps with your searching
cheers mate your help is much appreciated, i have the engine in on the mounts so they are sorted done a bit of the wiring and a few other things. goin to get a m3 radiator mayb try the diesel fan or use an elecy one, the matrix is now sorted with those samco elbows.
i read on here that standard e36 m3 top and bottom rad hoses work, i dont see why not?
what about one of these master cyls what size du think? or is it just as good to use the audi one?
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ ... R74-1000RK
have you had yours running then??
i read on here that standard e36 m3 top and bottom rad hoses work, i dont see why not?
what about one of these master cyls what size du think? or is it just as good to use the audi one?
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ ... R74-1000RK
have you had yours running then??
Hi, I used the E36 M3 rad which has hole for temp switch which is wired to an E30 M3 electric fan housed on original brackets in front of the rad. I used E36 top and bottom hoses.
Keep an eye on my website www.m3touring.com as I'm updating it at the moment (when I get a spare minute!)and adding more pics.
Good luck !
Keep an eye on my website www.m3touring.com as I'm updating it at the moment (when I get a spare minute!)and adding more pics.
Good luck !
had a quick look u really do need to get updating!! like the touring tho different isnt it!
well im going to pick up the servo off a golf (polo one is smaller apparantly?) ,master cyl, e36 m3 rad, elec fan just going to use a new thermostated comp one in front of rad, e36 cooling hoses and a e30 m3 prop shaft, which just goes straight on with the e36 5speed and e30 lsd is that rite?
well im going to pick up the servo off a golf (polo one is smaller apparantly?) ,master cyl, e36 m3 rad, elec fan just going to use a new thermostated comp one in front of rad, e36 cooling hoses and a e30 m3 prop shaft, which just goes straight on with the e36 5speed and e30 lsd is that rite?
old skool just read ur restoration project, hats off to you mate. i wish my mate would let me spend that much time on the car!!
thinkin on what did you guys do about the air pump on the bottom left next to the air con compressor, has two pipe coming off it. one goes to the head turns rubber to metal the other i duno? do you still have this pump on if so where did u plum it into ??
thinkin on what did you guys do about the air pump on the bottom left next to the air con compressor, has two pipe coming off it. one goes to the head turns rubber to metal the other i duno? do you still have this pump on if so where did u plum it into ??
That's the theorye30 m3 prop shaft, which just goes straight on with the e36 5speed and e30 lsd is that rite?
You need the blanking plate and gasket from the South African spec S50. The part number for the plate is 11 72 1 402 416 referred to as a 'cover lid' in the ETK. (key no. 16) The emmissions air pump gets binned.what did you guys do about the air pump on the bottom left next to the air con compressor
The gasket is 11721318467. (key no. 17) You will also need a different 880mm belt if you are retaining the A/C, part number 11 28 1 402 334. If you're not retaining the A/C then no belt required
Where are those pics???
yeh thought it might i have seen that blanking plate when lookin through etk at work ill order that on tues no doubt it will be a ag order tho but ill stick it on a vor!!
i dont know if you will be able to answer this just from a discription but there are two hoses im a bit unsure about where they are goin to go just had a look tonite, they are inlet side one is a Y formation mainly rubber and is towads the middle of the engine just by the engine mount arm towards the back, goes downwards and is thin and the other one is a black thin diameter metal pipe goin to a rubber hose thats just infront of the arm all the inlet and things round that area are plugged in. if not ill look them up on tue to give a better discription.
i still cant get over your restoration thats awesome
i dont know if you will be able to answer this just from a discription but there are two hoses im a bit unsure about where they are goin to go just had a look tonite, they are inlet side one is a Y formation mainly rubber and is towads the middle of the engine just by the engine mount arm towards the back, goes downwards and is thin and the other one is a black thin diameter metal pipe goin to a rubber hose thats just infront of the arm all the inlet and things round that area are plugged in. if not ill look them up on tue to give a better discription.
i still cant get over your restoration thats awesome
oh ok ill look into that later tonight when its on the ramp, thanks for the info on that pipe! i need to get stuck into it to familiarise with all the pipes and plugs. is there some where in the 5 series sump it goes too i cant remember seeing anywhere but i havent looked proper yet.
got some of rest of my bits today..... mk2 golf servo, audi 200 master cyl, those 19mm elbows for the matrix, sorted air intake aswell.
bits i have ordered today......m3 rad, elec fan which ill wire upto the switch, e30 m3 prop and a few other odds n sodds. got my digi camera so ill take some pics tonight where im upto!! cheers for your help guys and i was in demon tweeks today and the guy behind the counter mentioned the zone, i said luckily im already onto it
got some of rest of my bits today..... mk2 golf servo, audi 200 master cyl, those 19mm elbows for the matrix, sorted air intake aswell.
bits i have ordered today......m3 rad, elec fan which ill wire upto the switch, e30 m3 prop and a few other odds n sodds. got my digi camera so ill take some pics tonight where im upto!! cheers for your help guys and i was in demon tweeks today and the guy behind the counter mentioned the zone, i said luckily im already onto it
is there some where in the 5 series sump it goes too i cant remember seeing anywhere but i havent looked proper yet.
Find the "M50 developments thread" = all 28 odd pages of it! It'll be a few pages back in the technical help section. (or engine swaps section, can't remember) The answer is there.
yup, E30 M3 prop fits straight on between the E36 5 Speed box and the E30 M3 Diff. You do need the larger Guibo and associated bolts.
On the sump you can drill, tap and fit the nipple from the S50 sump or do what JMC330 and I did and braize it to the dipstick tube.
On the sump you can drill, tap and fit the nipple from the S50 sump or do what JMC330 and I did and braize it to the dipstick tube.
hi guys been hard at it this weekend, this is where im upto. got the engine and box in with selctors all linked up, after we took it back out to do the servo which fits neat now, thanks for your help there!!! moved it over made the plates and modded the rear bracket!! now is it the e34 link rod you guys use i read sumthing about it one here? also done the heater matrix pipes with the elbows, radiator is in. think im goin to go the route of the e30 m3 cooling fan better mounted in a factory style!
has any one tried using a m42 dipstick tube it has an extra piece for the vent pipe, just out of curiosity?
also what gearbox cross member have you used? the e36 box didnt come with one so before i get one to try?
the m3 prop will be here this week and alot of other bits ive ordered!
sorry about the lack of pics but every time i go the unit i forget my bloody camera!! can i just put them in my photobucket album and post the links i dont know how u put them in posts?
has any one tried using a m42 dipstick tube it has an extra piece for the vent pipe, just out of curiosity?
also what gearbox cross member have you used? the e36 box didnt come with one so before i get one to try?
the m3 prop will be here this week and alot of other bits ive ordered!
sorry about the lack of pics but every time i go the unit i forget my bloody camera!! can i just put them in my photobucket album and post the links i dont know how u put them in posts?
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The E30 M3 diff is externally identical to the 325i diff, so the prop will fit just fine. You do really need the M3 ratio though, so you had best keep your eye out for one.gazatron wrote:just read ther that the e30 m3 prop fits between the e36 5 speed and a e30 m3 diff? i have a 325 sport lsd so im i shoppin for a new diff?
Ian.
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yeh i will keep my eye out, im helping a guy fully restore a e30 m3 evo 2 at the mo and he is well connected, thats sum project he has going there ordered all brake pipes and fuel tank today for him. he is renewing EVERYTHING except parts you cant get any more like grey carpet and parcel shelve etc, also i know the chief parts guy for the car club well i spoke to him today.....got a m3 prop for 80 quid with all bearings n bolts etc which aint too bad saves a job!!
IAN332 could i be very cheeky and get you to email me me the wiring sheet you have to connect the e36 engine loom to the e30 internal loom through the c101 reading previous posts u are the guy to ask.
the engine is out of a 94 m3 and the e30 is a 325 88 face lift model. i have wired most of it up already but want to double check, do you need the colours on the e30 side and e36 side because ill get them tonight if u do? cheers mate
defo taking my camera tonight come hell or high water even god himself wont stop me, but im sure he will have a go!!!
IAN332 could i be very cheeky and get you to email me me the wiring sheet you have to connect the e36 engine loom to the e30 internal loom through the c101 reading previous posts u are the guy to ask.
the engine is out of a 94 m3 and the e30 is a 325 88 face lift model. i have wired most of it up already but want to double check, do you need the colours on the e30 side and e36 side because ill get them tonight if u do? cheers mate
defo taking my camera tonight come hell or high water even god himself wont stop me, but im sure he will have a go!!!
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I tend not to give out generic conversion charts. BMW made too many small changes between models/years that you risk having problems if you use someone elses wiring chart.gazatron wrote:IAN332 could i be very cheeky and get you to email me me the wiring sheet you have to connect the e36 engine loom to the e30 internal loom through the c101 reading previous posts u are the guy to ask.
the engine is out of a 94 m3 and the e30 is a 325 88 face lift model. i have wired most of it up already but want to double check, do you need the colours on the e30 side and e36 side because ill get them tonight if u do? cheers mate
If you can let me know the wire colour/pin numbers in the S50 engine connector, and the same for the E30 body connector, I'll do you a chart. I probably do have a suitable wiring chart for that engine car combo, but like to check first. I think I've had a 100% sucess rate so far
Ian.
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Ian332, heres the wires i have on the e36 engine loom and e30 body loom
e36 pin/colours e30 pin/colours
1. blank 1. blue
2. red/yellow 2. blue/black
3. blank 3. blank
4. black/blue 4. brown/purple
5. black/white 5. brown/black
6. purple/white 6. green/yellow
7. green 7. green
8. grey 8. yellow/white
9. brown/red 9. black
10. blue/yellow 10. purple/green
11. brown/yellow 11. white/blue
12. brown/pink 12. blank
13. green/purple 13. purple/red (thicker)
14. black/white 14. blue/yellow
15. green/black 15. black/green
16. yellow/white 16. blank
17. purple/white 17. blank
18. black/yellow 18. black/yellow
19. white/green 19. blank
20. black 20. brown
21. green (fat)
22. green/white
23. brown/green
24. white/black
25. blue
any help you can give is much appriciated ian i feel abit of an arse taking up your time!!!!!
heres some pics of the car just starting to do the body work so the tec bumpers and side moulds are off nw too the last few pics are my other cars couldnt help me self!!!
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e301.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... us/e30.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e302.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e304.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e305.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e306.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e307.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... us/bm5.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... ulsar3.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... ulsar6.jpg
e36 pin/colours e30 pin/colours
1. blank 1. blue
2. red/yellow 2. blue/black
3. blank 3. blank
4. black/blue 4. brown/purple
5. black/white 5. brown/black
6. purple/white 6. green/yellow
7. green 7. green
8. grey 8. yellow/white
9. brown/red 9. black
10. blue/yellow 10. purple/green
11. brown/yellow 11. white/blue
12. brown/pink 12. blank
13. green/purple 13. purple/red (thicker)
14. black/white 14. blue/yellow
15. green/black 15. black/green
16. yellow/white 16. blank
17. purple/white 17. blank
18. black/yellow 18. black/yellow
19. white/green 19. blank
20. black 20. brown
21. green (fat)
22. green/white
23. brown/green
24. white/black
25. blue
any help you can give is much appriciated ian i feel abit of an arse taking up your time!!!!!
heres some pics of the car just starting to do the body work so the tec bumpers and side moulds are off nw too
the last few pics are my other cars couldnt help me self!!! http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e301.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... us/e30.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e302.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e304.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e305.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e306.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... s/e307.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... us/bm5.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... ulsar3.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t211 ... ulsar6.jpg
gazatron wrote: 15. green/black
16. yellow/white
17. purple/white
actually i think you got those backwards. a yellow/black is different than a black/yellow. x20 pin 15 green/black should be black(predominant color) / green (color of stripe.) just trying to help.
looks similar to my 98 wiring, but you have some additional wires.
cheers, jason