For a little while now, i've been struggling to find enthusiasm to get the s62 into this m3 shell, as i think i burnt up all my enthusiasm the first time i did it.
it wasn't just a case of un-bolting everything out of the green car and bolting it back into the m3 shell as there was a couple of things i wanted to change, also the exhaust manifolds had to be altered, rhd to lhd.
so, for the last couple of days now i've been pondering what i should do,
it's a hard enough conversion to do when your enthusiastic, but when your not, it's like walking through mud.
should i sell the s62 and all it's associated parts and get a cossy yb to go in there instead. both engine's have they're good points and bad points.
it's easy to sit behind a keyboard and say do this or do that, but those of us here that do engine conversions and engine work will know whats involved in doing such conversions............ and seeing them through to the end
so what's your thought's?
glenn
Your thought's......S62 or YB
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Hmm, both great engines.
But if its one thing that sticks in my mind, you only got to use the v8 for one rainy trackday in landlow didn't you? Surely after all the effort getting it into one car, it would be a shame just to sell it on and not enjoy it for a year or so.
If i had the money and knowhow:
e30 m3 - fitted with the m5 engine
mk2 scort - fitted with a yb lump
Best of both worlds
Sorry not too helpful there glenn
But if its one thing that sticks in my mind, you only got to use the v8 for one rainy trackday in landlow didn't you? Surely after all the effort getting it into one car, it would be a shame just to sell it on and not enjoy it for a year or so.
If i had the money and knowhow:
e30 m3 - fitted with the m5 engine
mk2 scort - fitted with a yb lump
Best of both worlds
Sorry not too helpful there glenn
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Stick with MPower, you know it makes sense!
I've thought so many times about selling my S50 and all the other gubbins I've got for the GT6 and plough it all into an E30, but I know I'd regret it even though I'm at the bottom of the hill with the project again.
You know 4pots sound lame too (no offence intended to our 4pot bretherin
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I've thought so many times about selling my S50 and all the other gubbins I've got for the GT6 and plough it all into an E30, but I know I'd regret it even though I'm at the bottom of the hill with the project again.
You know 4pots sound lame too (no offence intended to our 4pot bretherin
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It's got to be the V8
Just think about the noise
Just think about the noise
ohh tricky one this as i am a ford man.
the V8 would sound/go superb but i can guess at the headache it will be to get fitted right also what it will do to the handling.
the ford lump has many good points as all the experimental work has been done and 200---700bhp is just a case of money with a 330bhp stage 3 setup the most common and a good compromise between power/reliability. also u could use the T5 gearbox from the 2wd cossie and the only major issue on fitment is clearance between inlet manifold and brake servo. also obviously u will need to figure out engine/gearbox mounts and custom exhaust but lots of the conversion will be off the shelf parts u could even use the standard dash as the rev counter on m3 is coded for a 4pot.
i think all said and done i would go for the cossie lump or maybe turbo the bmw 4 pot as this has been done with good results.
actually i dunno lol 
the V8 would sound/go superb but i can guess at the headache it will be to get fitted right also what it will do to the handling.
the ford lump has many good points as all the experimental work has been done and 200---700bhp is just a case of money with a 330bhp stage 3 setup the most common and a good compromise between power/reliability. also u could use the T5 gearbox from the 2wd cossie and the only major issue on fitment is clearance between inlet manifold and brake servo. also obviously u will need to figure out engine/gearbox mounts and custom exhaust but lots of the conversion will be off the shelf parts u could even use the standard dash as the rev counter on m3 is coded for a 4pot.
i think all said and done i would go for the cossie lump or maybe turbo the bmw 4 pot as this has been done with good results.
actually i dunno lol
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Its gotta be the V8 dude.........
YB has it own merits......Very good ones......
I'd use the YB if the S62 was not available.......
Its gotta be the V8 dude.........
YB has it own merits......Very good ones......
I'd use the YB if the S62 was not available.......
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Keep the S62.
When the power gets boring Supercharge it,
Can´t imagine you needing another car ever again
When the power gets boring Supercharge it,
Can´t imagine you needing another car ever again
YB if it keeps you intrested, nothing worse then no enthusiasm, it makes thing seem so much harder, ive been working on cars and bikes too much over last few years and doing HGV fitting a job also that ive lost all mine, hopefully changing my job will give me it back, good luck with it
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i managed to find a short 30sec video clip that was recorded on a mates phone.
it was when we took the car out the day before the track day, just to make sure it worked!, before it went to llandow.
have you ever heard tyres squeeling for mercy in the rain, lol
if any one can sort out hosting it, i'll send it over to them.
it was when we took the car out the day before the track day, just to make sure it worked!, before it went to llandow.
have you ever heard tyres squeeling for mercy in the rain, lol
if any one can sort out hosting it, i'll send it over to them.
Host it on http://video.google.com dude 
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it just has to be the S62 really... a rare (legendary?) YB in the legendary M3 shell does seem a little wrong as imho the S14 is a far superior engine.
if a 4 pot was on the cards, i'd say turbo the S14, otherwise there's nothing quite like a V8!!
if a 4 pot was on the cards, i'd say turbo the S14, otherwise there's nothing quite like a V8!!
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why not just flip a coin? it saves the agro of trying to decide good-bad points.
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I second that.fuzzy wrote:or why not build one of each and drive whatever one takes your fancy each day?jon_pure_british wrote:why not just flip a coin? it saves the agro of trying to decide good-bad points.
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Hi,
Glen- There have been a few S62 Engined E30 M3's in Germany,
Dolate and the Yellow Matthes cars spring to mind.
They have both been exceptionaly expensive and I think the Matthes
Car even has the floor pans and front chassis rails altered to accommodate
the exhausts etc.
I would decide what you want from your E30 M3 ?
If its to be a show car, and Sunday driver, then the S62 may work,
but they are not trouble free engines, and even simple things,
like Cam Position Sensors, are always troublesome, and a pig to change
and that's when its sat in the E39 Shell.
The Vanos on the S62 has it's issues as well, and although you could
delete it for a dedicated Track Car, you will loose to much low down
Torque for Road use.
I do not know much about the Cosworth, but if you really want to go
that route, I would opt for the Duratec, NA, 300 BHP out of the box,
can be uprated to around 340 -360 and is lighter than the BMW S14.
These engines are really Cosworth de-tunned Race engine's of the shelf
and are very competitive on spares etc.
Very good specs, and easy to uprate without breaking the Bank.
Personally, on a standard E30 M3 Shell, a well sorted S14 with 260-270
BHP will take some beating for overall abilities.
There will be some quicker cars, but the Romans stopped constructing
the roads here many years ago.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
Glen- There have been a few S62 Engined E30 M3's in Germany,
Dolate and the Yellow Matthes cars spring to mind.
They have both been exceptionaly expensive and I think the Matthes
Car even has the floor pans and front chassis rails altered to accommodate
the exhausts etc.
I would decide what you want from your E30 M3 ?
If its to be a show car, and Sunday driver, then the S62 may work,
but they are not trouble free engines, and even simple things,
like Cam Position Sensors, are always troublesome, and a pig to change
and that's when its sat in the E39 Shell.
The Vanos on the S62 has it's issues as well, and although you could
delete it for a dedicated Track Car, you will loose to much low down
Torque for Road use.
I do not know much about the Cosworth, but if you really want to go
that route, I would opt for the Duratec, NA, 300 BHP out of the box,
can be uprated to around 340 -360 and is lighter than the BMW S14.
These engines are really Cosworth de-tunned Race engine's of the shelf
and are very competitive on spares etc.
Very good specs, and easy to uprate without breaking the Bank.
Personally, on a standard E30 M3 Shell, a well sorted S14 with 260-270
BHP will take some beating for overall abilities.
There will be some quicker cars, but the Romans stopped constructing
the roads here many years ago.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
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glenn,
Youve done all the hard work now doing this conversion.I think appart from the manifolds its a drop in conversion with all the work done and the know how to do it again.And,i really think the s62 conversion is very special.I've never seen another one before.There maybe others in other countrys but i bet there arent more than 5 in this country,infact i bet yours is the only one ! Also the cosworth into e30 has been done quite a few times now.And if you go down the cosworth route it'll be all from scratch again,measuring up and modding all over again.Lots of R+D which is already done for the s62.
Lastly ,omg how nice do v8's sound
and very unique,and probably more reliable but certainly not cheaper but you already have the s62.You'll have to go out and source an engine and gearbox from a cosworth when infact all the parts for the s62 are sat there !
cheers
andy
Youve done all the hard work now doing this conversion.I think appart from the manifolds its a drop in conversion with all the work done and the know how to do it again.And,i really think the s62 conversion is very special.I've never seen another one before.There maybe others in other countrys but i bet there arent more than 5 in this country,infact i bet yours is the only one ! Also the cosworth into e30 has been done quite a few times now.And if you go down the cosworth route it'll be all from scratch again,measuring up and modding all over again.Lots of R+D which is already done for the s62.
Lastly ,omg how nice do v8's sound
and very unique,and probably more reliable but certainly not cheaper but you already have the s62.You'll have to go out and source an engine and gearbox from a cosworth when infact all the parts for the s62 are sat there !cheers
andy
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three times i sent itJimbob wrote:Host it on http://video.google.com dude
three times it said 'upload complete'
but i cant get it to work
how dare you contemplate a 4 pot, think about it youve got a 4.4 v8 that will give you never ending reliability, and the power to dislodge your insides, can pootle along in any gear and your gonna throw it away for some jazzed up pinto. are you mental?
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Glenn, what the ultimate goal ?
power and handling, or power power power ?
for the former, a sorted YB will be the way to go, proven/reliable ( ish.. ) and should maintain the balance of the M3 as its maker intended.
the V8 is of couurse the harder choice, but the soundtrack may well be worth all the grief.
As has been said previously, if you cant get enthused, then flog the S62 and all the fabricated parts to another budding zoner and crack on with the YB swop, you should be able to do that with your eyes closed dude
TBH, if cost is a factor, the YB wins hands down, the sale of the s62 would fund most of the project if I'm not mistaken.
Decisions decisions, what a choice though, beats harvest white vs Barley white anyday( guess what I was pressganged into...)
power and handling, or power power power ?
for the former, a sorted YB will be the way to go, proven/reliable ( ish.. ) and should maintain the balance of the M3 as its maker intended.
the V8 is of couurse the harder choice, but the soundtrack may well be worth all the grief.
As has been said previously, if you cant get enthused, then flog the S62 and all the fabricated parts to another budding zoner and crack on with the YB swop, you should be able to do that with your eyes closed dude
TBH, if cost is a factor, the YB wins hands down, the sale of the s62 would fund most of the project if I'm not mistaken.
Decisions decisions, what a choice though, beats harvest white vs Barley white anyday( guess what I was pressganged into...)
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Hi,
ToughyV8- I am not sure what engine your referring to ?
Glenn, I believe has a S62 M5 which is 5.0 ltr V8, and that's part of
the problem.
May be nice when running correctly but an absolute nightmare when
not.
Go onto any M5 Board and read all about them.
Cam position sensors, SES, Vanos, the list goes on and on, please do
not ask me how I know.
As a road car he may be better off using the 4.4 V8 in some ways,
Alpina used it to great effect on the Alpina B8, sliky smooth, 175 MPH
and as reliable as it gets, they were all LHD as well, so it would
work well.
I would still find a good 4 pot S14, uprate over a period of time,
260-280 BHP would be very nice in a road car,
not to peaky, and on a power to weight ratio you would need
at least 400 BHP from a 6 or 8 pot to be even in the power stakes,
and have a great handling Car that is virtually depreciation proof.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
ToughyV8- I am not sure what engine your referring to ?
Glenn, I believe has a S62 M5 which is 5.0 ltr V8, and that's part of
the problem.
May be nice when running correctly but an absolute nightmare when
not.
Go onto any M5 Board and read all about them.
Cam position sensors, SES, Vanos, the list goes on and on, please do
not ask me how I know.
As a road car he may be better off using the 4.4 V8 in some ways,
Alpina used it to great effect on the Alpina B8, sliky smooth, 175 MPH
and as reliable as it gets, they were all LHD as well, so it would
work well.
I would still find a good 4 pot S14, uprate over a period of time,
260-280 BHP would be very nice in a road car,
not to peaky, and on a power to weight ratio you would need
at least 400 BHP from a 6 or 8 pot to be even in the power stakes,
and have a great handling Car that is virtually depreciation proof.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
well 5.0l then, some how i dont think your gonna need a 400hp v8 just to keep even with a 280hp 4 pot, i mean how heavy do you think that engine even is? its not out of a truck. ps are these engines all alloy?
I know your after comments from people with engine conversion experience and i for one dont have any, but what i will say is that i know what its like to have no enthusiasm, but if you can see it through to the end i think you'll know that the route you have chosen was the right one....as hard as that it is to see right now.
An M car needs an M engine at the end of the day. And for a special car such as yours i think you need to do the right thing and wack that engine in PRONTO.
Cossy engine is great, but that would be like selling your soul. Keep it in the family and stick with the BM.
COME ON!!
An M car needs an M engine at the end of the day. And for a special car such as yours i think you need to do the right thing and wack that engine in PRONTO.
Cossy engine is great, but that would be like selling your soul. Keep it in the family and stick with the BM.
COME ON!!
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Hi,
ToughyV8- I am guessing that you have have never owned a 270-280
BHP S14 E30 M3.
Regards,
The Gorilla.
ToughyV8- I am guessing that you have have never owned a 270-280
BHP S14 E30 M3.
Regards,
The Gorilla.