My M42 Turbo Project...

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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:02 pm

Don't get excited, I'm just planning this at present, but I know there's a lot of people with an M42/44 finding it hard to get information and advice. I've been doing a lot of research over the last few weeks, in conjunction with a few people I know in the industry, so I'm going to plan it out on here and use you all as a sounding board to correct any mistakes, keep me on the right track and offer advice for others considering a similar conversion.

The very basic specs will be as follows:
  • Cast Log exhaust manifold.
  • Forged low-compression pistons.
  • Garrett T25-54R BB Turbo.
  • Cosworth/Mercedes Intercooler.
  • Dual-Piston Blow-off Valve.
  • GM Throttle with Position Sensor.
  • Manifold Air Pressure Sensor.
  • Uprated Fuel Pump.
  • Uprated FPR.
  • Uprated Injectors.
  • MegaSquirt 'n' Spark Management.
  • Wideband O2 sensor.
Manifold

I'm thinking a log manifold for a few reasons... Firstly, I can get one manufactured much cheaper than a tubular one. - Secondly, Tubular manifold gives inconsistencies in temperature due to the differing metal in the weld and pipes, which can lead to cracking. Tubular would also require supporting mounts for the turbo to prevent vibrations causing cracking. Thirdly, space is a problem in the RHD M42 engine bay and a log is more compact. Lastly, a compact 4 cylinder engine such as this will keep plenty of backpressure in a log manifold, without the need to scavenge opposing-cycle cylinders.

Pistons

Given the choice between running 7-8PSI of Boost with standard compression and the risk of hotspots/pre-det etc., or 10-14PSI with lower compression... Both would result in similar power, but the latter would give huge torque gains, and probably more stable. There is a US company which can supply forged pistons to my specifications for the same cost as a new set of standard items from BMW.

Turbocharger

A friend of mine does a lot of work with Nobles and Morgans and happens to have a brand new GT25R with a scratch on the compressor housing at a bargain basement price. - The internal wastegate is fixed at 0.5 bar, but Ԛ£70UKP should sort out a boost controller! The turbo can be seen in detail on the link below:

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... 1171_3.htm

Intercooler

Plenty of other turbos on here for reference, and a couple in the UK... I'm looking at a Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth intercooler to fit behind the valance, but I'm sure I've read somewhere that there's a Mercedes CDi item that sits snugly between the front lights?

Blow-Off Valve

Vacuum fed from the inlet manifold, towards the entry point to reduce fluctuations from the inlet valves.

Throttle position sensor

Apparently there's a GM item commonly used by 'MegaSquirters' which I've been offered at a silly-low price... Senses position rather than the standard Idle/On/WOT switch.

MAP

Located in the inlet manifold, independantly of the blow-off valve vacuum pipe to prevent false readings.

Fuelling

I'm a bit stuck here... Do I leave the standard pump/sender in place in the tank, then use a second, in-line, fuel pump to raise the pressure at the engine? This would save having the whole system running pressurised. Would a swirl pot be necessary?

I'm not sure which injectors I can use, as my understanding is that the M42 uses a different type of injector to most other BMWs. I'm also unsure of fuelling requirements. Uprated FPR and injectors controlled by MS seems like the way though.

Timing and Tuning

Another grey area... Can I mate the crank pulley sensors to MegaSquirt'n'Spark? How does it do cylinder recognition? I'm looking at retro-fitting a knock sensor too, as per the M44, to help tune out pre-detonation.

Wideband O2 sensor makes a lot of sense, as I'm not going to have easy access to a rolling road to set the car up and I can make sure she's not about to blow up due to undefuelling!


So there... What are your thoughts? - I'm posting this around a couple of the BMW forums I frequent to get a wider response and I'll wait until I've got a solid plan in place before I start with the rebuild of my 2nd iS.

Thanks in advance for your support and comments!

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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:37 pm

which one fo the three is this destined for then omi?

keep us informed and get your arse to the next meet you lazy git. :cool:
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:45 pm

Now then Omi,hows it going,you still got the 2 IS's ?
Great plan bud,you should come through to mine sometime haven't seen you in ages ,check out my s50 conversion.do you still see pete ?
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:45 pm

A few of things immediately strike me:

1) Where on earth are you gonna get a cheap and bespoke cast iron manifold made up?!

2)If the M42's injected, the whole system will be pressurised anyway so you don't need another pump :)

3)Do check the flow maps for the T25 you're getting as not all T25s are made equal. I'm using two of the things because mine are only little (don't laugh) we're using one on the Mi16 turbo which is bigger.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:13 pm

Chris/BG, iS #2 is getting this... The decent shell that needs timing chains doing, I'm just going to pull the lump out and have it reconditioned at the same time, hence piston plans...

Hi Buster mate, keep meaning to call you but never remembering until unsociable hours! - Will deffo pop through after the weekend sometime and have a look? Are you boosting the S50? ;) Got 2 x iS's now and the full running gear off a 3rd which was so rotten the battery box fell out while I was having a look! Haven't seen Pete in ages, but he pops on MSN every now and then. Married life I guess!

Mr. Brown, there's a company called FaulksPerformance who tune Nobles and Morgans to silly extremes... I know him through organising Scumball, and he has a business contact who makes cast manifolds. Apparently he can make some minor adjustments to any of his existing designs and match it to an iS flange... Do I need to worry about heat expansion of the alloy head if there's gonna be no flex in the manifold? - Might need to make the holes more like slots, just in case!

The system is pressurised to 4bar if I recall correctly on the standard FPR. I'm no expert on fuelling (or anything really) so I'm not sure this will be enough to keep a lot of fuel pumping at higher boost levels...

The flow maps and all the specs for this turbo are on that link above. - This is a Garrett out-of-the-box turbo exactly specced as per that page, you think it will do? - I'm aiming at about 225bhp at the wheels. :P
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:18 pm

Omi,when did you start scumball ? never knew it exsisted.Nice one m8.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:21 pm

Drunken idea a while ago... Me and my Ferrari-driving mate decided it would be worth going ahead with, so now we're sorting it. Reverend Bob will be presenting the TV show, which he's approaching Men and Motors with over the next few days.
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:24 pm

Great idea though omi,but i think your ferrari driving m8 may have to buy a new car !! i think my turd mybe worth more than Ԛ£1000 also :( would love to do it though sounds wicked.When is the departure ?
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:38 pm

Click my sig pic and have a read through the forum, it's all on there and you're hi-jacking my turbo thread!! :cool:
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:49 pm

I did look on your site m8,couldn't find the start date thats all.anyway sorry for the hijack :fart: no more
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:03 pm

Fair play on the manifold! Sure the chap making them will be able to advise expansion rates. For all the ones I've made, I have one hole cut to about 0.2mm larger than the most central stud to locate the manifold, then the rest getting progressively larger from there on out.

Wouldn't like to comment on the turbo as I have no idea what sort of boost you wanna run and/or what the flow rates for your engine are / will be. Kinda prerequisites to reading the maps unfortunately :lol:

Just out of interest, how much are new standard pistons? I was quoted about Ԛ£90 each for an early M20! Thank fork my engine seemed to have absolutely no wear in it, even after 200K :) (apart from the main and big-end bearings that is)
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:25 pm

try Omega for pistons.

they do forged pistons uk based
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:36 pm

Sorry but Scumball looks really really cool, get the start dates up so I can start to organise visa's as i dont have a British Passport :-x
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Post Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:10 pm

Scumball will be the nut's, already got my 3 door mk4 Escort half ready to go, just wacking a 1.6 zetec in it and off we go :woohoo:
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