Beef up my M10 engine

[lunatixantix]

My car is the 316 running an M10 engine with twin choke weber.

Problem is, it's not as fast as my other cars. I don't want to go all out crazy on an engine transplant right now, so what can I do to make a significant difference?

I was thinking along the lines of turbocharging/supercharging the car. Is this a possibility on this engine, and is there a lot of work required?

[Alex]

M10's are one of the best to turbo, the 2002 turbo had an m10 turbo

They are strong engines and love a turbo


watch 3.10

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[lunatixantix]

What modifications need to be done to my engine to do a turbo conversion?

[Alex]

i think you will be fine leaving it as is depending on what boost you want to run

i'am sure some boost junkies will be along who know more about it than me

[lunatixantix]

Sorry Alex, I meant what do I need to do to mine in order to "bolt on" a turbo?

[Alex]

ah rite

my limited knowlege, would suggest a exhuast manifold making, a turbo, intercooler, various pipe work, not sure if you would need anysort of aftermarket engine management if you are going to run with carbs, oil pickup from the engine etc

it wont be cheap to do

[baptie0]

your engine should be fine internally to cope with boost up to 10 psi max.

the problem is the carburettor. injection would be much better for fuel economy & performance

although you could use a blow through type carb from a montego turbo or a renault 5 turbo.

the ignition system will require work to retard the spark when the boost comes in.

[lunatixantix]

More headache then it's worth then?

[Alex]

More headache then it's worth then?

would be awsome when done and fast

[Ollie_bwoii]

In PBMW there is an issue that has a guide to tuning the M10 engine! For all budgets etc...

I am just looking for the issue number now!

[lunatixantix]

More headache then it's worth then?

would be awsome when done and fast

Yeah but I'm supposed to be saving for me wedding! Other half when schizzo when I spent money on the Audi A4 Stage 3 turbo conversion...

Then I bought this E30... I'm sure you can picture the incredible miss hulk...

So E30 turbo conversion?

[Alex]

In PBMW there is an issue that has a guide to tuning the M10 engine! For all budgets etc...

I am just looking for the issue number now!

ive got an issue with a supercharged m10 its producing around 120-130 bhp

[lunatixantix]

In PBMW there is an issue that has a guide to tuning the M10 engine! For all budgets etc...

I am just looking for the issue number now!

Cheers Ollie, that would be handy

[Alex]

More headache then it's worth then?

would be awsome when done and fast

Yeah but I'm supposed to be saving for me wedding! Other half when schizzo when I spent money on the Audi A4 Stage 3 turbo conversion...

Then I bought this E30... I'm sure you can picture the incredible miss hulk...

So E30 turbo conversion?

you could just save up some money and drop the car of with ant at A-tech ive only heard good things about his work on the zone

[Ollie_bwoii]

In PBMW there is an issue that has a guide to tuning the M10 engine! For all budgets etc...

I am just looking for the issue number now!

Cheers Ollie, that would be handy

Its the January 2009 issue! I can have a go at scanning the article for you if you like?

[Alex]

i would like to see that

[lunatixantix]

you could just save up some money and drop the car of with ant at A-tech ive only heard good things about his work on the zone

Well the thing is my inlaws own 2 workshops (one of which specialises in race & rally car preparation), so it's not the labour that's the issue for me... I just don't see eye to eye with the foreman at the rally prep workshop, so if I know what needs to be done, I get one of the other mechanics to carry out the work.

So what I need to know is what I need to get together parts wise, and let the mechanics know what alterations (if any) need to be done to the engine...

But going back to the point of the carb complicating things... maybe I'll just wait to do a complete engine conversion instead?

[lunatixantix]

In PBMW there is an issue that has a guide to tuning the M10 engine! For all budgets etc...

I am just looking for the issue number now!

Cheers Ollie, that would be handy

Its the January 2009 issue! I can have a go at scanning the article for you if you like?

Please if it's not too much trouble for you? It would be greatly appreciated!

[Ollie_bwoii]

Sorry completely for got to do this! But here you go! Hope it helps!

[Bob_S]

just throw an m20b25 in there

[vendiallman]

do u know the magazine for E30?thanks

[lunatixantix]

Cheers Ollie... Massively appreciated!

[GrindCulture]

The car in the video Alex posted earlier was running something stupid like 30psi, and ran nitrous, all on stock internals. It made something like 370bhp and threw the car down the 1/4 mile in about 12 seconds.

[Alex]

The car in the video Alex posted earlier was running something stupid like 30psi, and ran nitrous, all on stock internals. It made something like 370bhp and threw the car down the 1/4 mile in about 12 seconds.

thought it was stock internals, pretty impressive

[Stifla]

The car in the video Alex posted earlier was running something stupid like 30psi, and ran nitrous, all on stock internals. It made something like 370bhp and threw the car down the 1/4 mile in about 12 seconds.

Stock internals...bloody hell!

I take it that the head gasket would need to be upgraded for a stronger/thicker one?

Really didnt expect it to go like that!

[Stifla]

your engine should be fine internally to cope with boost up to 10 psi max.

the problem is the carburettor. injection would be much better for fuel economy & performance

although you could use a blow through type carb from a montego turbo or a renault 5 turbo.

the ignition system will require work to retard the spark when the boost comes in.

So would it be possible to simply bolt on (lol!) a turbo to an m10 that has injection without the need for any extra electrics or sensors?
Will the standard engine managment and fuel system be able to cope?
Obviously i understand it will need setting up properly etc...

The reason being that i also currently have an m10 carb myself and are planning to go with forced induction, but i can get my hands on an injection setup for it.

[oakey]

You will need some sort of aftermarket engine management to run FI, such as a piggyback ecu or a standalone system.
Also I would imagine that the standard injectors will need replacing with larger and the fuel pump may also need upgrading

[Stifla]

You will need some sort of aftermarket engine management to run FI, such as a piggyback ecu or a standalone system.
Also I would imagine that the standard injectors will need replacing with larger and the fuel pump may also need upgrading

I can see the need for uprated injectors and pump, but what would the standalone managment be running, surely the standard ecu (albeit modified) would be controlling the fuelling etc?

Bear with me as im a FI virgin!

[oakey]

I am not really the right person to ask as I know very little myself. But I don't know of a single FI e30 that doesn't use some sort of aftermarket engine management.

[Gunni]

You will need some sort of aftermarket engine management to run FI, such as a piggyback ecu or a standalone system.
Also I would imagine that the standard injectors will need replacing with larger and the fuel pump may also need upgrading

I can see the need for uprated injectors and pump, but what would the standalone managment be running, surely the standard ecu (albeit modified) would be controlling the fuelling etc?

Bear with me as im a FI virgin!

Stock fuel pump is plenty enough for 350hp.

But overall you will need a aftermarket fuel management system,
You´ll probably also need a new trigger wheel on your M10 engine as they didn´t come with one.