Playo's Awesome M3. DYNO results.

[playo]

Excellent news Paul!

Thank you again for all your hard work on this project, it's been worth the wait (and I aint aint even driven it yet )

Paul, if i wasn't working when you called earlier i'd already be down there!! but i'm afternoons tomorrow so cant make that So saturday it is!

I'll update this thread with my thoughts on how the car performs when i've picked her up

[Toby_Unna]

After, with CF airbox & UniQ..
ATW 219.4 bhp @ 7579 RPM
Flywheel 263.0 bhp @ 7916 RPM

i'm probably missing something obvious, but why are the flywheel and rear wheel power figures 500rpm apart?

[ShepsEvo3]

Losses increase the faster you go. This dyno MEASURES losses and there are more losses at 7916 rpm than there is at 7579 rpm.

[glenn]

I'll update this thread with my thoughts on how the car performs when i've picked her up

looking forward to it

[playo]

Well this morning I went down to Pauls to pick her up.

All I can say is WOW!! the difference is amazing.

All together a smoother feel to the engine, the power comes in nice and early and is progressive, NO relentless!

The sound is awesome, I nearly wet myself going through Magor tunnel @6k rpm with the windows down

the car just eats the tarmac up to the point you look at the speedo and it's well into 3 figures, absolutley no sign of power loss right up to the limit.

Best few quid I've spent for sure Thanks for a top job Paul you should be proud of yourself

[ShepsEvo3]

Well this morning I went down to Pauls to pick her up.

All I can say is WOW!! the difference is amazing.

All together a smoother feel to the engine, the power comes in nice and early and is progressive, NO relentless!

The sound is awesome, I nearly wet myself going through Magor tunnel @6k rpm with the windows down

the car just eats the tarmac up to the point you look at the speedo and it's well into 3 figures, absolutley no sign of power loss right up to the limit.

Best few quid I've spent for sure Thanks for a top job Paul you should be proud of yourself

Thanks Darren, I am very pleased you are happy with it I wasn't sure

Just take that flap off your rear spoiler and she'll go even better 100MPH+ That must be causing SOME drag

Did you get me message too about the underdash clip?

[ShepsEvo3]

Oh, Darren - get Simon or someone to drive the car, you stand on the side of the road and listen! Even better in the mountains or woods somewhere.

[Simon]

Darren, you got a camcorder?

I know the ultimate place...

[ShepsEvo3]

Darren, you got a camcorder?

I know the ultimate place...

Mini meet?

[Simon]

Darren, you got a camcorder?

I know the ultimate place...

Mini meet?

Why not!

Make sure you bring something that's fun to drive though!

[ShepsEvo3]

Darren, you got a camcorder?

I know the ultimate place...

Mini meet?

Why not!

Make sure you bring something that's fun to drive though!

Better get the suspension kit, lsd and chip fitted to my 318is quick smart then

[Simon]

Why not!

Make sure you bring something that's fun to drive though!

Better get the suspension kit, lsd and chip fitted to my 318is quick smart then

Get to it!

[playo]

Darren, you got a camcorder?

I know the ultimate place...

Mini meet?

No Camera Si! have you got one??

Mini meet!!

[playo]

Oh yeah!

Paul, your right about the spoiler flap! I noticed it before. it seems to lose about 10mph when it's at top end speed for sure!

[ShepsEvo3]

Darren, got any vids of your M3 yet, was youtubeing and found this.



Sounds exactly like your car

[Chase007]

Pushing some big power ther lads well done!

[ShepsEvo3]

Just an update to this Uni-Q conversion and to clear a few enquiries up, it can be fitted to and work in conjunction with an existing Alpha N set up. So this allows the owner to carry on playing with the fueling to thier hearts content. The Uni-Q can just be used for ignition timing in these cases. But for a new CF airbox conversion the Uni-Q is perfect for remapping an E30 or any other if the original ECU is to be retained.

[M5pilot]

Just to add to this - Sheps and myself mapped another S14 with a MAXX Carbon airbox running on AlphaN using the Uni-Q.

The conversion is excellent to say the least and the sheer difference these carbon airboxes make once the fuelling and ignition maps have been altered is amazing.

We gained approx 22bhp and 20lb.ft on a standard engine with just the MAXX airbox and Uni-Q......and that incredible noise!

The Uni-Q conversion takes away the need for standalone systems.

Sal

[Gunni]

Without beeing harsh there is more to standalones then just fuel and ignition.

Piggyback will never releave standalones completely.
It´s all about the needs of the vehicle owner if a standalone is required or if a piggyback, chip or remap is needed.

Not only is it fuelling and timing, but advanced idle control, flatshift, launch control, traction control, boost control, knock detection and closed loop control, wideband fuel control, specific types of injectors operations, other ignition setups such as wasted spark, coil on plug, injection timing control, vanos control, other variable valve controls, valvetronic operations.. and that´s just scratching the surface.

Not taking anything away from this or other advanced piggybacks.

Also if there was a Alpha-n conversion before I´d rip that thing out and sell it and run the piggyback only.
No need to complicate things with more stuff to brake.

[ShepsEvo3]

Without beeing harsh there is more to standalones then just fuel and ignition.

Piggyback will never releave standalones completely.
It´s all about the needs of the vehicle owner if a standalone is required or if a piggyback, chip or remap is needed.

Not only is it fuelling and timing, but advanced idle control, flatshift, launch control, traction control, boost control, knock detection and closed loop control, wideband fuel control, specific types of injectors operations, other ignition setups such as wasted spark, coil on plug, injection timing control, vanos control, other variable valve controls, valvetronic operations.. and that´s just scratching the surface.

Not taking anything away from this or other advanced piggybacks.

Also if there was a Alpha-n conversion before I´d rip that thing out and sell it and run the piggyback only.
No need to complicate things with more stuff to brake.

I understand all of that dude, and maybe on something like this you would have got better results with a stand alone, but listen here... I doubt it very much!

Almost all of the operations and controls you list for the stand alone is actually features of the new Uni-Q unichip which actually puts most stand alone systems to shame!!

Also, the way new vehicles are going, like the ECU incorerating things like wiper and headlight control, you need the original ECU to actually make the car "work" so a Stand alone in these cases can be a VERY expensive way to go.

We are talking about road cars here. If you are building an out and out racer, then obviously a Stand alone is the way to go and the "lights and wiper" issues would not be as much of an issue.

Also, as most of these conversions have Alpha N installed and most die hard E30 M3 owners like to play with thir fueling, then why not leave it there and just have the Uni-Q to map the ignition. It saves the owner money and alows them to still play with the fueling to thier hearts content. But personally, I would rip out the Alpha N and fit the Uni-Q.

The other thing I have to say is with every Alpha N E30 M3 I have mapped, there has always been issues with pinking/detonation. All you can do is make the mixture richer or leaner to stop the pinking. This ofcoarse loses valuable power and as Sal saw while tuning the M3 at his place this week, BIG gains are to be had from mapping the ignition timing. There are shite loads of E30 M3's out there with poor ignition maps, and they are by far a long way off being optimised. The Uni-Q gives this back to mappers and is by far the easiest way to fo compared to a Stand alone.

On top of nearly all the features you list, I know of no other stand alone which gives you 5 completely different maps you can select from a switch on the dashboard. 5 maps as in litterally having the same as 5 Unichips / stand alone ECU's fitted. It really is the dogs danglies. It can also turn on cooling fans, intercooler fans, water injection, nitrous, operate water spray on intercooler, launch control, full throttle gearchanges, shift lights, convert MAF, AFM, to MAP or TPS, data log, etc...

[ShepsEvo3]

Just to add to this - Sheps and myself mapped another S14 with a MAXX Carbon airbox running on AlphaN using the Uni-Q.

The conversion is excellent to say the least and the sheer difference these carbon airboxes make once the fuelling and ignition maps have been altered is amazing.

We gained approx 22bhp and 20lb.ft on a standard engine with just the MAXX airbox and Uni-Q......and that incredible noise!

The Uni-Q conversion takes away the need for standalone systems.

Sal

Sal, wondered when you were gonna say something about that car lol. Generally the Alpha N MAXX conversion I only see around 15bhp gain and the driveability feels better. But not as smooth, refined or as powerful as we saw with the Uni-Q conversion.

[Gunni]

There is no need for multiple maps unless you run various fuels or for different boost control.

And I would not claim to have been able to make more power with a standalone or any better smoothness or any of that. But there is only one chance and that is a stronger coil and longer dwell charge and that´s not even sure to have done any more gains but only available with a standalone.
Other then that there is nothing more power then the uni-q did in this case.

I was actually just comparing uni-q and something like megasquirt.
Sorry but your reasoning about it putting standalones to shame is not even close.
There are standalones out there now that are plug n play in the NEW 135i.
With ALL maintained fuctions.

Obviously cost is a factor but claiming that a piggyback outshines most standalones has no base.

I think you are taking my wording the wrong way. I´m all for "the right choice"
Depending on the needs of the end user this or any other piggyback can not cover all needs.
Neither do custom remaps. Sometimes off the shelve standalones can´t even do it.
But that´s a rare case.
I´m going to visit Sal real soon and see the Uni-Q+ in action, I´m curious of it and I haven´t been to Sals in a while.

[ShepsEvo3]

Ah Gunni, There is some customers who ask for different maps for different boost, boost and nitrous, methanol, 95 octane, 99 octane, etc. Its rare, but the facility is there. Some stand alone systems have that feature too, but you have to pay hundreds of pounds to have it unlocked and available.

The Unichip is indeed not a stand alone, nor can it replace it, but take a look at it over Sals, I am sure you will agree it is fooking close! It makes applications like this and forced induction on normally asperated cars easy to map without the need of changing the original ECU, etc.

Unfortunately, Unichip has had some bad press in the past, as in people have had bad experiances from it. But it is only as good as the installer/mapper. The Uni-Q and Uni-Q+ are leaps and bounds way ahead of any other piggy back system. Where I have had customers turn up in my garage for a re-map because they were unhappy with the original installer, looking at the maps in thier Unichips, they have not been mapped correctly. If you see a block of +2's in the igntion map, its obviously not been mapped to how Dastek intended. This frustrates me no end as its bad press for "Unichip". Once mapped properly, customers are much happier.

Having worked with some standalone systems and with 6 years of Unichip experiance including the last 2 years with the latest Uni-Q and Uni-Q+, I have reasons and a base to say the UniQ does put some standalone systems to shame not just for features, but for ease of use. Also, there are some plug and play harnesses which the UniQ plugs into rather than cut and solder wires. Admittedly, these are limitted to certain applications, but they have them for some BMW's too, but nor is there stand alone plug and play systems for every vehicle out there either.

It doesn't need features for knock control, etc as that is left for the original ECU to sort out. Its not intended to be a stand alone, but a tool for being able to make easy work of allowing pretty major modifications to run with standard ECU systems.

I appreciate everything you have said Gunni, and I never thought you were saying stand alones are the only way, as in some cases it certainly is. But I think you'll be suprised at how capable the new Unichip Q is and what features it has, but to know fully, you'll need to read most of the 700+ page instruction manual

[Gunni]

On both MS and VEMS the map switching is free.
Not all ecu´s have knock control,

In the end with features it comes down to the installer, his ability and the effective final cost,
With standalones and piggybacks amazing things can be done but not entirely thought by the original developers.

I´m still waiting for a explanation how the uni-q would operate me a 500hp FI M50B25.
I´ll get that info from Sal when I go see him

[oakey]

Geeks!!!

[ShepsEvo3]

On both MS and VEMS the map switching is free.
Not all ecu´s have knock control,

In the end with features it comes down to the installer, his ability and the effective final cost,
With standalones and piggybacks amazing things can be done but not entirely thought by the original developers.

I´m still waiting for a explanation how the uni-q would operate me a 500hp FI M50B25.
I´ll get that info from Sal when I go see him

Yes, I agree with all of that, and your 500 BHP M50B25 will not be a problem for the Unichip. Depending on application (turbo or what type of SC) you would most likely have to map against boost. You'll need a turbo module with the Unichip. You can also put into the fuel map set up what increase sized injectors you have fitted also.

Agreed totally about the Unichip or any piggy back or stand alone jobbie where its only really as good as the installer and mapper.

[dlatch]

shep
map switching at the flick of a switch?

hmm thats very tempting. uni-Q available for fords?

[ShepsEvo3]

shep
map switching at the flick of a switch?

hmm thats very tempting. uni-Q available for fords?

Uni-q can be fitted to virtually anything, including tractors and even stand alones themselves!

[dlatch]

whats the cost of one of these uni-Q chips shep btw?

and Sal......... hows it going

[Tom-Tom]

Playo, any plans for a 2.5 conversion, or are you wanting to get what you can out of the standard capacity?

[ShepsEvo3]

whats the cost of one of these uni-Q chips shep btw?

and Sal......... hows it going

£265-£295 + vat depending on which one you need. Also that is plus fitting and mapping.

[dlatch]

thanks for the info shep
will stop hijacking this thread now

[ShepsEvo3]

thanks for the info shep
will stop hijacking this thread now

No worries, it was my thread anyway!

Yes, your KA can be done too

[dlatch]

heh well i am thinking of giving the ka some forced love
but kinda interested if i could some how switch out the charger when needed for more mpg
so would be the perfect car power and mpg and not burning diesel
all pie in the sky atm but was discussing the conversion with ant the other week and initial thoughts were using MS (mainly cos i want to play with one lol)
but i did discover i will need to keep the standard ecu as it controls a few things ignition key security for one so maybe the uni-q would suit me better.

if i used a aircon pulley clutch on the charger will it still be able to suck air through? otherwise i would need some sort of bypass system to a normal filter then the idea was to run a standard map and no boost which should mean normal mpg for the work commute at 10mph
then the thought being hit two switches and bang supercharged and boosting for the weekend
that kind of setup may well work any thoughts shep?

[ShepsEvo3]

heh well i am thinking of giving the ka some forced love
but kinda interested if i could some how switch out the charger when needed for more mpg
so would be the perfect car power and mpg and not burning diesel
all pie in the sky atm but was discussing the conversion with ant the other week and initial thoughts were using MS (mainly cos i want to play with one lol)
but i did discover i will need to keep the standard ecu as it controls a few things ignition key security for one so maybe the uni-q would suit me better.

if i used a aircon pulley clutch on the charger will it still be able to suck air through? otherwise i would need some sort of bypass system to a normal filter then the idea was to run a standard map and no boost which should mean normal mpg for the work commute at 10mph
then the thought being hit two switches and bang supercharged and boosting for the weekend
that kind of setup may well work any thoughts shep?

Can be done mate, Although not used the A/C electric pulley idea but I have thought of it before. It will also pull air through the charger when its not spinning, but it will obviously be restricted and will hinder your MPG. Probably best to have it connected all the time and just map for economy on part throttle and cruising and max power towards full throttle. It will be worse on fuel, but not a great deal worse.

Anyway, before we get kicked off E30Zone for talking about a Ford KA it'll be best to speak on the phone, will pm you my number.