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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:33 am

Got me my first scooby scalp last night, on the way home from work a local in his plastic kitted jap thing came riding my bumper in traffic, had to wait for the road to clear before going for it, then the pug 206 didn't get out of the way so I had to come off the gas and lost my head of steam, scooby didn't seem to slow so as soon as the pug was gone I gave it some, scooby kept a two car lengths back till I hit 90 then just went backwards and by the time I hit 1xx he was atleast 10 cars back.

Looking at my datalogs I maxxed at 9.2psi, was running 11.5/12.1 afrs and a very conservative 10/11 degrees of timing, IAT's touched 43.9'c and MAT stayed around the 75'c, so there's much much more to come!

I did manage to keep the 3rd and 4th gear pulls at WOT, so I know I'm safe to give it some now.

I'm gonna try some timing increases tonight and also wind some fuel out, hopefully I can pick up another 30/50bhp fine tuning it, the timing is very very safe.

Overall the cars a monster and I love it, can be driven off boost all day and in the higher gears you can get boost from 2k! not much but some.

Bring on the POD!!!! :D
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:38 am

:lol: Good work sir!
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:43 am

:cool:

I hate Imprezas, driven by people with no soul!

Fozzy, I hope to see you in action at Ultimate BMW at Santa Pod! ???
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:46 am

Ziggy wrote::lol: Good work sir!
Thankyou :D

Makes the whole thing worth it!!

Turbo would go nice in your cab ziggy winkeye
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:47 am

DRIFTBOY wrote::cool:

I hate Imprezas, driven by people with no soul!

Fozzy, I hope to see you in action at Ultimate BMW at Santa Pod! ???
Fingers crossed!

Hopefully running twice as much boost with a proper clutch and the 3.15 LSD fitted too.....maybe some slicks and race gas too...... fun fun fun :D
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:48 am

See my thread in this very section! Trying to make my mind up... M30's looking most likely for the moment though, & we all know that FI works on those too :twisted:
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:48 am

Oh God, I'd pay to see that guy's face as he was thrashed by a 20 year old "duffers car" :)
Priceless.

9.2 PSI? That seems remarkably gentle if you're beating scoobies! Excellent :)
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:50 am

Ziggy wrote:See my thread in this very section! Trying to make my mind up... M30's looking most likely for the moment though, & we all know that FI works on those too :twisted:
I have resisted adding my 2p as I'm very very biased :D

Toby's M30 turbo is mind blowing, he'll stuff me at the mo easy, I need a bar to keep up with him....hint hint :D
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:51 am

And some people find computers confusing... 8O This is what computer geek-speak must sound like to an outsider!

"Looking at my datalogs 'can't-understand-a-word-you're-saying' :mad: , so there's much much more to come!"

This is why some of us faint at the sight of a spanner, paying other people to fix our cars. This is why some of us are employed to wade through 1's and 0's so others don't have to.
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:56 am

fozzymonster wrote:
I have resisted adding my 2p as I'm very very biased :D

Toby's M30 turbo is mind blowing, he'll stuff me at the mo easy, I need a bar to keep up with him....hint hint :D
Please do - everything's very welcome, even Ant & he's rather more biased than you! :) Will resist going even further off topic here though.

I need MS in my life - awesome stuff :cool:
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:56 am

Morat wrote:Oh God, I'd pay to see that guy's face as he was thrashed by a 20 year old "duffers car" :)
Priceless.

9.2 PSI? That seems remarkably gentle if you're beating scoobies! Excellent :)
I would have too but he was too far away winkeye

My wastegate is set to 8.75psi or 0.6bar BUT you can squeeze a little more as the turbo is so big it will over power it slightly, I've had 9.7psi recently but the norm is about 8.8.

What waits beyond 15psi is a sleeping monster, I can't explain what happens but when you hit the sweet spot the power comes in like a 500bhp NOS shot!

at the mo I'm barely tickleing it :cool:
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:57 am

Ziggy wrote:
fozzymonster wrote:
I have resisted adding my 2p as I'm very very biased :D

Toby's M30 turbo is mind blowing, he'll stuff me at the mo easy, I need a bar to keep up with him....hint hint :D
Please do - everything's very welcome, even Ant & he's rather more biased than you! :) Will resist going even further off topic here though.

I need MS in my life - awesome stuff :cool:
see you over there :D
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:31 pm

oh the pod will be amazing!

i want to see some turbo monsters battle it out!

m20 turbo vs m30 turbo!

oh yes :twisted:

good to beat a scooby but watch those Leggacy turbo boys winkeye i know one they have soul and great power :twisted:
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:39 pm

Awesome news Mark, always a laugh to see 'fast' cars getting left behind :D


Would say though that having the timing too far retarded is just as dangerous as too advanced. You don't want the heads falling off your exhaust valves and wrecking the engine :(
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:07 pm

Turbo-Brown wrote:Awesome news Mark, always a laugh to see 'fast' cars getting left behind :D


Would say though that having the timing too far retarded is just as dangerous as too advanced. You don't want the heads falling off your exhaust valves and wrecking the engine :(
I'm busy working on finding out "what" levels are safe and which are best for power, with the lower C/R I should be able to run much more but I'm a little unsure so I've stayed in the middle area.

Looking at some timing maps I'm quite aggresive but then others show me to be very retarded ( the ignition that is :mad: )

So I guess I'll have to get the DET cans out and go play :cool:

I did try add 2 degress across the whole map but that caused hesitations and as I was on the way to work I didn't have time to play and sort it. I know I can add in a few degrees top end but I'll need some time to sort that properly, a busy A road @ 0800hrs isn't ideal really.

Thanks, Mark.
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:59 pm

your mad mate ! any BHP figures yet? this will be interesting to find out !
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:16 pm

blingsta wrote:your mad mate ! any BHP figures yet? this will be interesting to find out !
As soon as the timing is sorted I'll pop to LPS, they're only 15 miles away and I could pop there after work on my way home.

Until then it's all arse dyno power!

Ant said your cars a weapon now, hows it feel?

Mark.
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:21 pm

Drives lovely, but getting greedy for more boost ! :twisted: .. still only 6.5psi (damn actuator)! really freightening people though when they hear the dump valve! winkeye .. cant wait to sort this actuator out! im waiting for your BHP figures mate!
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Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:20 pm

:cool:

that's going to go really well with longer gears and more boost Mark, mine is cracking with the 3.08 diff, really long legged

i don't think you're that far behind me at the moment either :D
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:53 pm

Mark,

As i said on the phone, pop over one evening or if you pop up on a sat i can bolt my det cans to it and help you with the ignition timing.

If its a sat also there is a fair chance that the GT30'd monster i have been working on for a while will be there and you can have a passenger ride.

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:41 pm

poor scooby driver, i bet he knew you were grining ear to ear :D
had mine running for a few weeks now 3rd feels like 2nd havn't got any victems of my own yet
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:59 pm

First of many scooby scalp Fozzy i hope :cool: your car sounds like a beast.
You shoud wipe ass at the POD
Got to get a Laptop to fit my MS so i cn see whats going on winkeye it sounds like fun but would not have any nerve to change anything :eek:
must get LSD for but dont know witch one :o:
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:04 am

Toby_Unna wrote::cool:

that's going to go really well with longer gears and more boost Mark, mine is cracking with the 3.08 diff, really long legged

i don't think you're that far behind me at the moment either :D
Toby,

Can you send me your MSQ?

I'd like to see where your timing is set, mines a little low I think but having raised it slightly I'm tickling det, so I'm keen to see what a stock C/R needs timing wise.

Thanks, Mark.
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:05 am

mattG wrote:poor scooby driver, i bet he knew you were grining ear to ear :D
had mine running for a few weeks now 3rd feels like 2nd havn't got any victems of my own yet
Yes I was!

I was smiling even more when I got home and checked the datalogs, wasn't even half the boost I plan to run :twisted:

More boost, bigger IC, better clutch then the POD!

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Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:46 pm

fozzymonster wrote:
Toby,

Can you send me your MSQ?

I'd like to see where your timing is set, mines a little low I think but having raised it slightly I'm tickling det, so I'm keen to see what a stock C/R needs timing wise.

Thanks, Mark.
done :thumb: (i think lol)
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Toby_Unna wrote:
fozzymonster wrote:
Toby,

Can you send me your MSQ?

I'd like to see where your timing is set, mines a little low I think but having raised it slightly I'm tickling det, so I'm keen to see what a stock C/R needs timing wise.

Thanks, Mark.
done :thumb: (i think lol)
Toby,

Got it mate, thanks!

You're on either 026h or 021V but def not 029q2!

As you have smaller injectors and a higher fuel pressure your map looks weird but you sparks maps is usefull.

I still don't understand why I'm able to run on half the advance in some places, really must get my sparks sorted now, I wonder how much more power there is too find!

Thanks again, Mark.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:14 am

Very jealous! My car is sitting waiting for a trigger wheel so I can get my MS2 plugged in and running fuel/spark :(
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:17 pm

good work sir on beating the subaru, i @ucking hate them too with every inch of my body, come to think of it i hate everything except bmw's. once again bavaria has another victory under its belt!
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:49 am

Fozzy, what sort of boost are you planning on running?

How much can these little m20's take?
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:00 am

i think 350bhp is max on standard internals... :mad: ... mines only 6.5psi on a small T3 and i was neck an neck with a E46 M3 today... was well chuffed :D
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:37 pm

only your first scooby scalp? you need to get out more mate :D
its not big and its not clever but its fun that i will never tire off winkeye
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Porsche Hairdresserposerknobheadgaylordisitgoingforwardsorbackwardsboxters are my favourite prey! winkeye :D
Jeremy Clarkson wrote:...but it drives the front wheels. Theee wrooong wheels!
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DRIFTBOY wrote:isitgoingforwardsorbackwards
:rofl:

they're quite quick in 3.2 S spec though :cry:

mine was a match for my mates 3.2 with my standard engine, up to 120 where aerodynamics took over and he killed me :(
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:05 am

Yeah, the 'S' version is still a bit of a worry.

My old RX7 used to deal with those though! :D

A 335i turbo should be well into 911 territory!? winkeye
Jeremy Clarkson wrote:...but it drives the front wheels. Theee wrooong wheels!
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:20 am

your old RX7 was bloody nice, remember the pics, i've always wanted one of those in that shape :cool:

i think i'm somewhere around 996 carrera territory at present 8)
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