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Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:21 pm

Luckily the body is 90% sound, just the rust I've dealt with in the front driver's footwell and the two rear arches which only appear to be the outer skin. I'm hoping to be able to get away with MOTing it in Jan and then fixing the arches later in the year.

The chrome bumpers are kind of shagged though which is annoying. I'm loathed to spend any more on it at the moment due to needing to move house so would rather wait until settled at a new place to sort some of the scabby bits like the bumpers.

Having worked on various other cars over the past 10-15 years I'm happy to get stuck in on this one. The only annoying thing is that soon I'll have no garage to store/work on the car. :(
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:03 pm

Yeah, it's a pain!


I don't have the time/energy lately to do proper updates really. I'm in the middle of changing jobs, moving house, getting this on the road, selling my daily and a few other things.

I've got loads of photos of work I've done, just no text updates really, once things settle down in the next couple of weeks I will update the thread properly.

It is going in for it's second MOT on Thurs after it failed one a few weeks back and it took me too long to sort the issues that came up. The only worry I have for the MOT really is the emissions now, I'll update once I know about a pass/fail though. :)
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Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:19 pm

MOT passed. 8)

Driven it about 40miles, drives well, first 30 it drove like a sack of spuds but the alignment was WAAAYY off, got that sorted and it drives much better.
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Update Fourteen - xx/11/2012-xx/02/2013

So last proper update I'd left it at saying I needed to fit a big pile of brake parts so I figure I shall carry on from there. I do have various pictures and will try to include them but this will be a big update with mostly text.


So, now that I had the engine in and running the car could go but looking at the braking system, it wouldn't stop. I stripped off all of the braking components, callipers, discs, pads, shoes and flexi/rubber lines.

Once I had the callipers off I inspected them, inside the pistons they looked a little tatty but over all they looked fine. I tested all four with an airline on the fluid feed and they all pushed out fine. I wound them back in and again, all nice and smooth. I was worried that I would need to get replacements, especially after phoning around various suppliers and being told I was looking at £100+ for each calliper (that was on an exchange basis too).

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I also removed some scummy solid lines. One of the lines wouldn't come off from the flexi, so out with the cutting disc...

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I recall with that one, I had to cut the bracket that holds it to the car because the access is a right pain when you have the beam in place and so the nipple ended up rounding. As I was replacing the flexi with braided and had loads of spare solid left I didn't really care, cut the old crap out, put new stuff in!.

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Yummehh!

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Ooooohhh

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Shiny

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Fresh lines


As you can see in the last couple of pics, I did remove the rear beam. I did this between removing the brake lines and refitting them due to access. The beam isn't too difficult to remove, if you have fresh bushes and a 4 post ramp/lift. As I had old bushes and no ramp/lift the task of removing the beam became quite horrible.
The easy bits were removing the diff from the prop, the half shafts from the diff and the diff itself from the beam. With that out of the way I wanted to remove the .trailing arms before getting the beam off. Unfortunately due to the design of the car and where the filler neck is for the fuel tank, I couldn't remove the driver side trailing arm. The beam is secured to the car via two long bolts through the chassis at either end. The bolts go through bushes that locate themselves in the chassis.

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Manky bush


Once I had the bolts out it should just have been a simple case of tapping the beam and it dropping out. Due to the bushes being old and knackered though it stuck fast. I had to use heat, drills and all sorts to free them. Kept at it though and ended up with the below (also removed the trailing arms in the pic).

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Free beam


This then gave me a problem, I couldn't remove the old knackered bushes and fit my fresh new ones because you ideally need a press. I phoned a couple of local garages, some places were too busy others didn't have the right size press, one place though suggested I try an agricultural mechanic just down the road from them. Rocked up, got the old bushes burnt out with Oxy which took all of 2mins per side, and then they fitted the fresh new ones which again took a couple of mins only.

I realised once I got home that I should have taken the trailing arms with me too, to get them to burn out the bushes. However I found a canister of gas, a blow lamp attachment and my trusty ginger chinned sidekick (a good mate) buried in the back of the garage. Together we made short work of the old trailing arm bushes and pushed the fresh new ones in easily with a bench vice.

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FIRE


With all of the bushes replaced I reassembled the rear beam (with trailing arms) and refitted it to the car, not too difficult a task really although it is awkward as the trailing arms are bulky and try to drag the beam at odd angles. The diff goes back on easily too, although I had some problems initially as the prop seemed too short. Turns out that there is a length adjuster and I'd managed to knock the prop shorted. Slackened off the adjuster, knocked it back out in length and all went back together nicely.

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Prop adjustment / Centre bearing.

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Refitting is the reverse of removal....


One of the nice things about the setup of the E30 (not really paid much attention to other RWD cars) is that the half shafts can be unbolted to remove from the diff, so you don't need to drain the fluid or anything messy, just undo the bolts and the shafts drop off from the diff. Refitting is them also a nice clean job, line up, bolts in, done.

I happened upon an issue when putting the trailing arms back on...

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Coil


One of my suspension coils had snapped on the passenger side. Oddly, it wasn't noticeable when the car was on all four wheels. I fitted a replacement from the spares car (unfortunately the spares car only had one) and will sort out getting a full suspension refresh at a later date, probably with a small drop to allow the wheels to fill the arches a bit better instead of it looking like a 4x4.



I don't have any pictures of the following bit.

With the beam sorted I then fitted the new brake pads, discs and shoes.
I had some problems with filling and bleeding the braking system initially which took my mate and I a while to notice...there were a couple of joins I'd not done up fully so we sent a good couple litres of fluid all over the garage floor, with them done up properly we were able to bleed the full system easily enough though.
The rear braking setup on BMWs is an odd one for a lot of people but in my opinion, whilst being a pain to set up right, it is really good. To ensure that the parking brake and stopping brakes don't both foul up, the rears have both discs and drums. It is quite simple really, the rear discs have a very wide hub area which allows that to act as a drum for the parking brake only and the disc area for stopping only.
Installing all new components can be a bit tricky as you need to assemble the parking brake shoes and their mechanisms before you can fit the disc or calliper. If you're new to the setup of drums then this can be a daunting task but in reality it really isn't an issue at all, it is quite simple.
Adjusting the parking brake though isn't the most fun of tasks. To do it you need to fit the wheel using 3 out of 4 bolts and follow this guide:
1) Lower the hand brake and loosen the cable adjusters.

2) Working through a lug bolt hole turn the star adjuster until the wheel
locks using a flat-bladed screwdriver. I just turn the adjuster until it
doesn't want to turn any more. Then back off the adjuster 12 clicks. Repeat
for the other wheel. Note that the star adjuster is at the 6 o'clock position
on later cars, but at the 10 o'clock position on an E30.

3) Raise and lower the hand brake several times to settle the cables. Then
raise the lever two clicks and tighten the adjusters until the wheel can just
be turned with moderate force.

That'll allow the brake to pass the MOT easily...I however initially didn't follow that guide and had a rather slack parking brake (more on that later).


With the running gear now sorted (as far as I could tell) I decided to tackle interior problems. One of the big problems I had inside the car is that the electrics were, well, not working right. The wiring behind the dash was a mess and most of the dash bulbs didn't work.

This image from a previous update shows just how bad the wiring was:

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Messy!


Most of that mess was in fact the stereo wiring which someone had really badly spliced using chocolate blocks and made a horrific mess. I stripped out the old loom for the stereo, grabbed the loom from the touring (which was clean and tidy, with an ISO connector) and again with the help of my mate, a soldering iron and a hairdryer (his, he had it in the boot of the MX5...who'd have thought it?!) the loom got spliced together and so I had a nicely soldered, heat shrink and fresh stereo loom. I got a Sony > ISO loom and was able to refit the stereo that came with the car.

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Untidy stereo wiring


In an effort to tidy up the wiring I removed a few wires that seemed to not go anywhere or do anything, as you would. After this I was then doing something in the engine bay and test fired the car, everything worked fine apart from there was no spark. I got loads of help from E30Zone about the issue, tested everything with spares and scratched my head loads. Couldn't work it out.
My mate came round to help on something else with the car and I figured I'd put the car into the same state as before, ie, I'd refit one of the wires I'd removed. Once I did that and my mate turned the key it fired up instantly and sat there idling without a care in the world. It turned out that one of wires I'd removed does do something.
The car was originally specced with an alarm system which was a little key code unit where the clock now sits in the centre console. The car was then fitted with an aftermarket immobiliser unit at some stage in its life and what was a common thing for the installers to do back then was remove the old alarm control unit, splice a couple of wires that usually run to the unit and fit the new system to disable the car differently.
One of the wires I'd unknowingly removed was this spliced wire, it looked completely standard and wasn't until closer inspection that we discovered the splice and rewrap of the wire. I coiled this offending cable up, cable tied it and securely fixed it behind the dash so it won't be in the way or cause problems again.

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Green plug of doom


With that issue behind me, it was then a case of sorting out all of the dash bulbs and ensuring everything behind the dash was connected up properly, swapped all of the bulbs for new ones and tested them to be working. I also refitted the slightly worse for wear interior (and it is still fitted) because a new complete cab interior isn't cheap and I was in a bid to get the car back on the road before the end of Feb. I did freshen it up with some new parts though, like a new leather gear gaiter and a leather handbrake gaiter to replace the horrible concertina plastic one. I didn't at this point fit the driver seat as it was still in need of leather feed, cleaned, fed and fitted it a short while later though.

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Erect brake

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Glow


I ordered a gasket for the exhaust main > downpipe connection and found it to not fit, after a couple more orders and with the help of BMW I then had some spare incorrect ones and a correct BMW branded item. There are a couple of different designs of downpipe and unfortunately most sellers assume they are both the same.

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No fit.

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Too small.



I was unsure of the state of the head gasket and thought it could potentially cause some issues if it was really old and decrepit so I pulled the head off, replaced the gasket, bolts and the rocker cover gasket too. The head bolts were original non stretch hex head bolts, they should have been changed (via a recall) to Torx head stretch bolts in the past so it is a good thing that I did change this little lot over. It is known for the hex heads to snap off the bolts and play pinball around the inside of rocker area, so, change is good.

The car was pretty much sorted and ready for and MOT by this point, so I did the most sensible thing and gave the front grills a nice clean up.

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Old kidney grill

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Fresh grill

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With chrome

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Head light surrounds too


I cleaned up the old grills and sprayed them with plastidip as I'd heard good things about it. I didn't do the best job of it really but they are much nicer than they were and they should avoid being destroyed by road grime and the sun now. I can also easily peel it off and respray whenever I like, much easier than normal painting. They are a matt black finish and do make the car look much better than the faded grey they were when I got the car.


MOT TIME.

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Bollocks.


Fails 001 and 004 were simple.
001 - The connection between the braided line and the solid line wasn't done up quite tight enough, cranked it up a little more and it is sorted.
004 - Adjusted the parking brake properly as per the above quote and it works fine.

Fails 002 and 003 weren't so easy though.
002 - I had hoped this was just a feed/return fuel line or at worst, the filler neck pipe. It turned out to be the stub out from the tank for the filler neck and it was rusted all around the stub which meant I had to fit a replacement tank. I did initially try to use the tank from the spares car but unfortunately that had taken a massive smack at some point so I figured it would be best to source a new one. A replacement tank wasn't too expensive (under £100) and fitted up fine.
003 - This I was stumped on as the E30 325i does not have the ability to adjust revs, timing etc. everything is controlled via the ECU and sensors. A common fault that messes with the revs is that the ECU temp sensor has failed so the car never knows when it is warm and over fuels all of the time. I replaced this but still had an idle of ~1200rpm and over fuelling. Next step was to clean the Idle Control Valve, Air Flow Meter and the Throttle Position Switch. The ICV and AFM were mostly clean and tidy anyway but I made them better. The TPS seemed clean but when I tested it with a multimeter it showed that something had failed as there was no resistance at all. I tested the one from the blown engine and it was working correctly so swapped it over, tested the car and it was idling at ~800rpm and wasn't over fuelling.

Had the car retested:

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Unfortunately I didn't get a brake results sheet so don't know how well the parking brake works but having used the car, it appears to be fine. The tester said that initially it didn't pass emissions but he did some tweaks and it passed (3.15% instead of 6.78%, under 3.50% which is what matters). I suspect he just revved the engine for a bit then stuck the probe in afterwards. The car certainly isn't smoky or anything at all now so I can only assume when it went in for the test it wasn't fully heated up.
After the test I got the alignment done as it was driving badly, very much transformed the car despite it just being an ATS Euromaster place and not a full GEO WIM place.

Since the MOT I've driven it ~200mi and I'm loving it. The noise is excellent and it drives better than I had thought it would. There are some issues that still need attention, like the springs, rear wheel arches and interior but I'll tackle those at a later date when I can be bothered, for now it is road legal and drives etc. fine.
I have noticed though that the exhaust resonates are ~2800rpm which with normal town driving, or spirited lane driving isn't really an issue. When on the motorway though it is a bit annoying as 5th at a sensible cruising speed is 2800rpm (about 70mph) which means it resonates/drones on long runs, dropping a little bit of speed does stop it though so it isn't a huge problem.
It also does drink fuel, I put in ~50L (63L tank) from totally dry/empty (new tank remember) and it is about to turn the light on, so I'm currently looking at ~18mpg. :D


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Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:36 pm

incredible work, i read this in awe of your skill, nice job :cool:
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Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:57 am

Hahahahaha skills.... :mad: :P

That I can think of, the only truly skilled parts are the welding, all the rest is just logical removing/reassembling and having loads of the right tools.

I think the most worrying thing is that I totalled up the cost of everything so far and it weighs in at the sort of money you could buy a fairly sound E30 for. It is much easier to buy a few parts every month and rapidly increase your total spend, even without finishing the car. The labour costs would be astronomical though if I'd taken it to a garage so that is some piece of mind.

I had hoped to spend ~£1k on sorting it and having a car worth ~£2k but it is closer to the other way around currently and still needs more spending on it. If I ever want to see my money back on this I think the only way is for me to keep it for years without using it too much...but there is no fun in that so I'll keep driving it until I hanker for something different/need to change. :D
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Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:03 am

i would and besides its a nice hobby and maybe cheaper than some other hobbies and at least you have a nice car at the end also, that's the way i look at it.
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Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:14 am

It is a good fun car and I do enjoy it but I can see myself getting bored of it as it isn't as precise as other cars I've had and the soft top makes it really noisy (wind noise) on the motorway which is annoying. Part of what will make me keep it is the spend I've done on it. All my previous cars have been sub £1300 and I've only ever really spent on service items.
This is the first car in 9 years of being a car hooligan that I've spent serious money on parts. It's also the most amount of work I've done on a single car.

I can get some of my money back by selling off the spare set of BBS wheels (probably worth £20 :P) and various parts from the touring. Unfortunately I'm not near the touring any more so I'll likely have to scrap it as-is (minus wheels, I want to keep 2 sets for now) but should get something back for that.

Working on cars is a good hobby, the problem I have now though is the place I've moved to has no garage so I can only work on it in the car park. A mate should be moving up here in a few months though and we might look into getting a lockup so we can both work on our cars. :)
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Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:49 pm

Could a passing mod please move this into the Member's car area?

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Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:33 am

Love all the pics, good luck with it and keep at it :D
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:16 pm

So I had some problems with throttle response and idle recently (threads in the technical section) which gave me an erratic idle, kangarooing when opening the throttle and just made the car feel really horrible. I knew the throttle position sensor was potentially not working correctly so I replaced it and now it has a smooth and clean idle and the throttle response is instant, utterly brilliant to drive now and I'm really liking the car.

To test the TPS I took it out for a spin/explore today around the Bristol area, went looking for a lake I'd seen on gmaps, didn't go to the right place but found a place to take pics and make a quick video. Also blasted it through the revs and gears on various lanes and covered areas (window down, through the revs...such a noise :D ).

Anyway, some pics from today of my boat by the lake:

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I'm hoping to get some proper exhaust note videos next weekend. :)
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:15 pm

Looks like Chew Magna Lakes.
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Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:34 pm

PG325 wrote:Looks like Chew Magna Lakes.
Sir you have excellent observational skills. :D

New to the area so don't know places to visit for photography but that area looked ok on google maps but their car park didn't seem close to the water...I also drove straight past the entrance I think. That layby though was the sort of thing I was looking for, nice and close to the water, perfect for photos. :)
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:14 pm

Can someone get this moved to "Members Cars", I don't know who to contact.



I've been using the car for a while now and it is good fun, still needs loads of work and money throwing at it to bring it up to the level I want but I don't have the space or funds right now to do it. It's drivable and safe which is what really matters, everything else is just 'I should do this' stuff.

I've now done about 700-800 miles in the car since Feb and since I replaced the battery it has been brilliant.
Had a good weekend last weekend, went to a rolling road with another forum, roof was down from 8am when we left the flat until 6pm when we got back. So nice to have the ability to lower the roof.
Downside of a cabriolet is that it is very noisy on the motorway, wind, exhaust etc. gets quite tiring especially when you are trying to talk to a passenger or listen to music...still, it is good fun. :D



Today I decided to givee the front fibreglass skirt/lip/thing a coat of Plasti Dip as it was looking really rather rubbish in a dirty, faded greyish colour.

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After:
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I think it does look a lot smarter, but I'm running low on the paint/rubber coating and it needs a couple of coats. It should weather in a bit and look more like the front grills over a couple of months which is cool. If I decide I don't like it, I can just peel it off too. :D
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:19 pm

You should get a wind deflector ...
I lit a ciggy doing 190kmh on the autobahn with the roof down while the wife slept ....

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Sat May 25, 2013 10:41 pm

Pic of the front with no tape:

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The plasti dip is really awesome, looks so much better now than it did before, really liking it. If anyone wants an easy and lasting (longer than a few weeks) way to make grills etc. black, use this stuff. 8) Down side is that it isn't all that cheap, £15 for a 400ml spray can.


Went out for a blast from Bristol with a mate today, some awesome roads once your out of the Bristol area, really badly surfaced roads in and around here though. :(

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Sat May 25, 2013 10:45 pm

great vid, nice one :D

front looks loads better now...... but you know what, you need to get them grills off and treat them to a 400 grade light sand back and a couple of coats of Plasticote satin black.

nice work

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Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 pm

I did do the grills, but with a few layers of plasti dip on them, they are looking slightly rough to the touch. I might peel it off and do it again properly later but I'd also like to do the bumper plastics and all the rest of the black trim that has faded over time.


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You can see the differences better there.
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Looks great :D
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Sun May 26, 2013 3:57 pm

FinalD wrote:Filled it up with fuel and found it was doing this:

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due to this:

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:x

I've changed the tank due to a rotten filler neck, now this top hose has perished, and I have a full tank, and it is a tank out job, and I don't have a garage to work in. :(

Might have to just ignore the car for a nearly a week and head down to where I can work on it next weekend.

Which line is that anyway? The one on the right that looks wet.
Hopefully this is now fixed thanks to some helpful information from daimlerman.

This is the offending pipe once undone from the tank.
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Removed this section of pipe.
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I refitted the pipe, made sure I pushed it on as far as it would let me, which is further than it was on before. I'm guessing it is fixed but I won't know for sure until I next brim the tank.

These old cars. :roll:
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Sun May 26, 2013 7:02 pm

The pipe passes under the cover that's bolted to the inside of the rear right wheel arch. Take this cover off (four plastic nuts) and free up the pipe, so that a bit more can feed through to the tank. Don't leave it under tension where it goes on the tank..
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Sun May 26, 2013 7:33 pm

Ok, will do I take it there is should be spare pipe in the arch? That'll be a wheel off job then...fun for a bank holiday Monday morning.
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Mon May 27, 2013 5:05 pm

Stick with it, shes progressing well :D
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:58 pm

Not a proper update of any real work (at least, no proper pics) but thought I'd fire one up for those that are interested anyway.

I had the diff do this:

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Few £ later and I fitted this:

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Replacement is the same as I took off, open 3.64 medium case diff. Doesn't seem to allow wheel spin as easily as the old diff...not that I should be doing that anyway. :D


Recently on a meet the cooling system appear to be rather poor, diagnosed that I have two minor leaks and a duff viscous unit. Replace the viscous unit and now the engine cools properly and sticks to 1/4 of the gauge without the interior fans on (before it'd only stay there with fans on 4 and doing a decent pace down the road).

I also fitted some smoked clear (as opposed to orange) side repeaters as in my opinion the silver car looks a bit rubbish with orange lights (plus the front indicators were clear and the side repeaters were clear when I got it).

I've now done just over 2400mi in the car since I MOTed it in Feb and I do enjoy it but I'm not too sure that it is really 'me' so I'm umming and arring about changing. 8O

I still have things I need to fix and I want to take it to a few shows (it's by no means a show car) later on the year so I can't see me actually getting rid until some time next year (no point selling a cab in the winter).

It's developed a knock which is drivetrain/suspension related I think so I need to climb under it at some point and sort that out as well as fit some other parts I have...and change to my other set of wheels (both stock 15" BBS) once I get some tyres on them.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:38 pm

What a great read :) Hats off to you
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Don't think he's a zoner anymore. Sold up a while ago. Yes, lots of good work though. :)
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PONY, 2013 - "Anyway span 360 degrees hitting the kerb and giving the old man two fingers as I was spinning like Michael Schumacher would
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