Hartge H36 Project (E30 M3 with S38 M5 engine)

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Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:19 pm

I'll be sure to give it a test run down that Roman road which goes to Hastings from Hawkhurst. :D

In other news:

HeelToe off here (Guy) is going to powdercoat the plenum and valve cover for me, there are a few chips starting to appear and I want the engine bay looking as nice as possible. I also want to clean up the throttle bodies - any tips on doing this?

I'm going to send the injectors off to be checked and serviced. The burnt valve could be attributed to slightly lean conditions caused by a wonky injector.

I need to extend the previously redundant oil temperature sensor wiring so that it reaches the sensor which I've relocated into the oil filter housing in place of the drain bolt. (It was previously in the sump, and displayed on a 52mm gauge in the centre console, but I thought it would be much nicer to have the e30 m3 oil temp gauge in the instrument cluster)
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:14 pm

Be very careful powder coating the cam cover, and make sure none of it is on the inside. If it does, it will flake off and end up on the oil strainer.
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Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:23 pm

Genau

I need to remove the resonance flap mechanism, any special considerations I need to take when doing this?
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:36 pm

Theo325 wrote:
I've also now got a choice of steering wheels to use, 4 spoke or 5 spoke - what do you lot rekon? The 4 spoke needs the leather re-dying, but that's not a problem.


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fit the 5 spoke, or maybe the 3 spoke :D

I have the 4 and it is a bit big but comfortable

Theo it's great to see you have got moving on this epic chariot again :D
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:28 pm

Those steering wheels are horrid, be honest guys. Ain't no 3 spoke pina wheel
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:49 pm

All that Alpina nonsense is dreadfully common though.
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:49 am

it has to be said (and will probably upset loads on here) that all the BMW/alpina/harge etc wheels all look pretty naff. :duck:

i bought a tech 2, then sold it a week later. after trying a few others, i settled for an old 'personal' wheel which is not that in keeping but not blatantly aftermarket. my main concern is feel and in that area i'm happy. do the alpina/hartge wheels 'feel' nice to use?
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:44 am

yes
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:58 am

Only wheels to rock are Alpina 3-Spoke aor Tech II.

Show me a better wheel for an E30.
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:09 am

I like alot of the period steering wheels, Schnitzer do a couple of nice ones - but they also do a couple of really nasty ones.
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:11 am

The Schnitzer is alright actually.
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Nice:

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Not nice:

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Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:55 am

Theo325 wrote:Nice:

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Not nice:

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Oh i don't know Theo. The leather 3 spoke bottom right I've always liked TBO.
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:43 pm

That's the one I meant.
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Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:54 pm

The wooden one is near identical to the pre facelift Alpina and early Hartge, except they are leather.

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From my experience, the tech 2 wheel is best for "feel" with the Alpina 3 spoke next best for "feel" but best for looks.
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Always found my MOMO 4 spoke to be a good wheel to use.
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Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:44 pm

Theo, pull your finger out !!! any progress ? :D
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:03 am

e30topless wrote:Theo, pull your finger out !!! any progress ? :D
+1!

Stop dragging your heels mate!
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:17 am

he's been too busy prepping the ricer for diffing innit! :P
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:30 pm

Had the cylinder head fiddled with.

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Check back in 2011 for the next bit of progress..
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:12 am

Only seen this now!
Great to see something special like this get such attention.



Better than that jap turbo nonense you were faffing about with anyway :D
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Theo325 wrote:Had the cylinder head fiddled with.

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Check back in 2011 for the next bit of progress..
You f*cking tease!!!

Is that IT! after all this time and all you bring to us is that? Come on Theo. :D
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:38 pm

C'mon Theo any update's ? :D
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:42 am

I have just re read the hole thread. I started reading it way back when and the lost track some how.

This is going to be one hero chariot once finish.
What a car and what an effort with the re build.
Any more progress to drool at?
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:19 pm

Theo i've recently been given a stack of old total bmw mags and their are a few pics of the old shell damaged on the drivers side from years ago. Don't know if its of any use to you but i thought i'd let you know. Can't wait to see more progress on this car!
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:42 pm

No updates, sorry.

I'd be interested to see those pics Brettski - I think I mentioned the damage you refer to earlier in the thread. From what I'm told, tbmw published the photos without the consent of the owner and ended up in hot water.
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:21 am

Any progress? I'm gagging to see this car!!
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:14 am

Done a bit of tinkering, but nothing major.

I'm considering swapping out the original M3 brake servo and master cylinder and replacing them with e34 m5 equivalents. My reasoning for doing this is that the M5 servo is a smaller diameter meaning that I might be able to use an unmodified inlet plenum rather than the original which has a recess welded into it to give increased clearance. (See pic below) This recess must effect airflow to cylinder 6, the plenum afterall is quite a clever system which has a variable resonance flap to aid mid range torque.

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Standard plenum:

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There is also a benefit in changing to the M5 master cylinder. The car already has M5 calipers with larger pistons than the M3, so it would make sense to use the matching master cylinder.

Continuing on the subject of brakes, I'm also making a change to the rear brakes. Originally it used a 300x20 rear disc from an e32 750. The inner diameter of the drum section was too large for e30 handbrake shoes so an steel insert was used to reduced the internal id from 185mm to 160mm. This ring was held in place by two measley m4 retaining screws and the whole setup was a bit dubious.

I noticed recently that several 1 series and 3 series cars use a 300x20 rear disc with the correct size drum for the handbrake shoes. I've trial fitted one and it looks good, I just need to make the spacers between the OE caliper carrier and the Hartge adaptor 2mm thicker and then get holes machined for the disc retaining bolt as they are in the wrong place on the 1 series disc.

Other than this I have just been amassing more parts for the car and I'm now in a position to but the engine back together and trial fit it to the car to check that all clearances are ok.

I'm also considering changing the gearbox and final drive from it's current overdrive box with 3.73 final drive to a dogleg box with 1:1 5th gear coupled with a 2.93 final drive. I really like the ratios on the dogleg box and it would increase the theoretical top speed by a few mph. The dogleg box also has a detachable bell housing which makes clutch changes a lot simpler. This swap would need a new crown wheel building into the 40% locking Hartge LSD, plus modifications to the gear linkage and possibly a slight shortening of the propshaft. Hmmm.
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:06 am

More pictures please! :D
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:13 am

It's only a handbrake friction surface.. Just maybe not designed for handbrake turns
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:29 am

I know that but I still don't like the idea. If the ring was a perfect interference fit in the drum I'd be satisfied, but it's not.
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:30 pm

Binning that bodged plenum can only be a good thing

Dogleg FTW :cool:
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:33 pm

hartgay are so gash, bodgers!
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Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:39 pm

Removing bodges is all good, but if you are doing it to keep its value high for a future sale, some people might frown on any 'aftermarket replacements.'

The people that will have the money to buy this will want original everything(as much as possible, and ignoring the shell issue) and may be unsatisfied with the changes. Its not as if this is a rusty cab with some second hand jizz stained birds brochures under the seat is it?

The modifications you have suggested are fundamentally good, whether they impact the value, I don't know...?
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