Hartge H36 Project (E30 M3 with S38 M5 engine)

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:20 pm

Theo how long have you been collecting Argos vouchers for this then? I thought you'd be looking a lot longer for any suitable m3, let alone a white one! Well done mate.

I guess you'll frag all the bits you don't need to recoup some monies, s14, leather, 16's?, LSD and box.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:22 pm

Well done. Heroic project, will enjoy watching the transformation.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:26 pm

Your M3 is nice. I'm glad I spotted it in the first place.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:43 pm

The plan is indeed to sell off the parts which are to be replaced by Hartge equivilents.

Not only is it a late white shell, it's a non sunroof late white shell, just like the previous car was. There can't be too many of those in the country, I think I've got very lucky.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:46 pm

Where did you source it?

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:59 pm

A very nice chap contacted me out of the blue, and we went from there. Some things are just meant to be!

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:03 pm

It pays to be an up and coming celebrity.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:32 pm

Nice one Theo. Can't wait to see this done.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:25 pm

Me too Trev!

Just noticed something, the vin on the H36 and the vin on this car I got today are only 8 digits aparts. The Hartge ends 82 and the new one 90! (with the preceeding 5 digits the same of course)

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:39 pm

Theo325 wrote:Me too Trev!

Just noticed something, the vin on the H36 and the vin on this car I got today are only 8 digits aparts. The Hartge ends 82 and the new one 90! (with the preceeding 5 digits the same of course)

possibley made on the same day!

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:39 pm

Theo325 wrote:Me too Trev!

Just noticed something, the vin on the H36 and the vin on this car I got today are only 8 digits aparts. The Hartge ends 82 and the new one 90! (with the preceeding 5 digits the same of course)

It was meant to be.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:45 pm

nice one Theo looks a good starting point well chuffed for you

.. no others lying around that you might get a call about ? has it got leather ? would love a rear m3 seat in leather but think its on the waiting list of parts to buy

on another note are you any further forward on getting the badges reproduced ?

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:52 pm

Barry, Trevor - incredible really, only clocked it a few minutes ago!

James, It does indeed have black leather, but I'm along way off selling that. It will be the last thing to go, if at all, because I need to see what can be done with the original interior in terms of repairs. There are several cuts in the passenger doorcard, the drivers seat is in two pieces and needs a donor seat for me to use to rebuild the seat, and there is a cut in the rear seat base to top it all off

I was thinking of getting it repaired, and then reconnalised so that there is an even finished an all parts.

No progress on the badge front, definitely something that I want to look into though.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:59 pm

Theo325 wrote:
James, It does indeed have black leather, but I'm along way off selling that. It will be the last thing to go, if at all, because I need to see what can be done with the original interior in terms of repairs. There are several cuts in the passenger doorcard, the drivers seat is in two pieces and needs a donor seat for me to use to rebuild the seat, and there is a cut in the rear seat base to top it all off I was thinking of getting it repaired, and then reconnalised so that there is an even finished an all parts.

No progress on the badge front, definitely something that I want to look into though.

well keep me in mind for the rear seat if you decide to sell them Theo. ive got cloth m3 rear seat that i was looking to get recovered through time to put into my car but would be interested in a set that allready leather if they were to come up. keep me uptodate on the badge front as im very interested in that.

im well chuffed for you getting the new car it does look good and will be a build to watch

James

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:18 pm

You're earning too much money, Hero!
The 1-piece M3 must have been the wrong side of 10 or 12bags if its in decent nic and the H36 purchase as well...... Have you just robbed a post office, or sold your mothers mother? If its neither of those, are you looking for a business partner, coz I need to get me some of whatever industry you're in now!

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:13 pm

theo this is going to be awesome when you´ve done it i wish i had seen the advert when it first came up for sale! looking forward to seeing the progress.

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:00 pm

Theo has the H35 got sport or high back seats? I've got a bare 2 door sport seat frame with no cloth foam on it if you want it

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:06 pm

Simon13 wrote:Theo has the H35 got sport or high back seats? I've got a bare 2 door sport seat frame with no cloth foam on it if you want it

Only bloody highback si!

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:06 pm

Highbacks iirc Si

Post Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:09 pm

Ok forget that then, Theo you've picked the new chariot up alreafy then! Please come to guildford i'd like a drive in the real deal see what the fuss is about

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:58 pm

Yeah, it's a Highback seat frame I need, cheers for the offer though.

I'll probably come to Ace at the end of the month, rather than Guildford, you can check it out then.

Few decisions to make on the appearance of the car...

Evo 2 chin spoiler or not?
Foglights or brake ducts?
Sport evo spoiler or standard?
Repair the Higbacks, or use the current interior?

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:27 pm

treat it like a clean slate and have it how you like it! pretend your the customer in 89/90 with 50,000 burning a hole in your pocket

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Remove evo II chin spoiler, and fir sport evo lip, throw away the fog lights and fit some ducts, sport evo rear spoiler (don't use the DTM gurney), and fix the high backs!

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Evo 2 chin
Brake ducts
Sport evo spoiler
Highbacks!!!

There decisions made Theo

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:34 pm

Hmm, I'm not 100% on the sport evo spoiler. How much is a genuine one worth? (both parts)

Brake ducts and evo 2 chin look good to me:

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:41 pm

Brake ducts and evo 2 chin look good to me:

You are a lucky bugger Theo! If it turns out like a white version of this pic it will be

I'm not in the least bit jealous...

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:01 pm

hi mate love the project, i'm doing an e28 m5 engine into 325i saloon project myself. That diff looks like my e28 lsd with the single slotted top mount-any chance of a pic of the E30 side mount which appears to be bolted on the side of your diff?

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:31 pm

It's not actually the same type of diff as yours, it's the smaller sized diff that came on some of the lesser e28s hence the similar backplate. You wont fit the e28 M5 diff to an e30 without modifying the beam.

I do wonder why Hartge used this backplate and fancy hanger when they could have just stuck on an e30 backplate.

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:38 pm

Jhonno wrote:Evo 2 chin
Brake ducts
Sport evo spoiler
Highbacks!!!

There decisions made Theo

+1!

Post Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:55 pm

Jhonno wrote:Evo 2 chin
Brake ducts
Sport evo spoiler
Highbacks!!!

There decisions made Theo

Chassis No thing is unbelievable

The Hartge gods must be watching over this project

Post Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:11 am

Simple things and simple minds..

Post Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:26 am

Crackin innit

Post Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:51 am

Yes.. Yes it is! Could watch it for hours..

Post Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:52 pm

stunning! cant wait to see the progress

Post Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:53 pm

Engine is finally on the stand after I got a plate made up in 10mm steel.

Sump is off, need to take it to a good tig welder to repair the damage which won't be cheap. Removal of the sump revealed the crankshaft, which is a fetching shade of blue. Are all s38 cranks like this, or has it been nitrided/some other treatment?

Here's a shamless pic of the exhaust manifold in all it's glory - just a standard e28 m5 item, but really rather nice.

Just trying to find a VDO oil temperature sensor for the engine, resistance values for the diff sensor where 1230 ohms cold and 195 ohms at 90ish degrees celsius.