Hartge H27 piccies while the sun is out !!!

[djk]

Surely it wouldn't be beyond the wit of a top trimmer to clothe factory doorcards and handles in leather rather than vinyl - now tht would be trick - stock looking, but so much more tactile .

[beemerbird]

transatlantic0207 appears to have cardinal red sports seats that he might be looking for a new home for - it's a bit convaluted but he mentions this in his 'Parts for Sale' thread.......

[Simon13]

I'm pretty p!ssed right now, just got back from my local dealer ALL carpets have gone NLA as of April 2008, no stock left.

I wanted to order my black carpet

Proper p!ssed i am!

[e30topless]

I'm pretty p!ssed right now, just got back from my local dealer ALL carpets have gone NLA as of April 2008, no stock left.

I wanted to order my black carpet

Proper p!ssed i am!

so i found out today

[e30topless]

the first piece of the 'could be' cardinal interior

hope I can find the rest!!


http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... SA:DE:1123

[beemerbird]

transatlantic0207 appears to have cardinal red sports seats that he might be looking for a new home for - it's a bit convaluted but he mentions this in his 'Parts for Sale' thread.......

Just in case you missed it

[he30]

wonder if the've got any blue ones?

How's it comming along Steve? may bob in when i'm next passing and give you your pliers back from under my bonnet

searched high and low for them ! do I owe you a new Viscous and radiator or did you find them before they ruined anything ?

just gimme a shout if your passing

Tucked safely by the lights done around 300 miles there lol!
May have chance to call in at the weekend, but i've been preety full on with work lately!, are you still thinking of going to Gaydon?

[e30topless]

transatlantic0207 appears to have cardinal red sports seats that he might be looking for a new home for - it's a bit convaluted but he mentions this in his 'Parts for Sale' thread.......

Just in case you missed it

I am already onto him !! thanks

[baur320]

There's a guy local to me trying to sell a new carpet last month but I don't know what colour. I've just asked for details.....

[On_a_Roll]

Surely it wouldn't be beyond the wit of a top trimmer to clothe factory doorcards and handles in leather rather than vinyl - now tht would be trick - stock looking, but so much more tactile .

Even the best cannot - those vinyl door cards are heat stamped over a mould to create the 'fake stitched' look and have very uniform padding around the striped recess - very very tricky.

I've seen leather attempts but they look very sloppy. I had leather inserts glued in place of the fabric inserts of my Blue door cards which looked tidy but not great.

I don't mind the vinyl door cards, look unique and very stylistically 80's!

Regarding carpets, I enquired around late - 08.

[djk]

Surely it wouldn't be beyond the wit of a top trimmer to clothe factory doorcards and handles in leather rather than vinyl - now tht would be trick - stock looking, but so much more tactile .

Even the best cannot - those tiny door cards are heat stamped over a mould to create the 'fake stitched' look and have very uniform padding around the striped recess - very very tricky.

I've seen leather attempts but they look very sloppy. I had leather inserts glued in place of the fabric inserts of my Blue door cards which looked tidy but not great.

I don't mind the vinyl door cards, look unique and very stylistically 80's!

Regarding carpets, I enquired around late - 08.

What about copying the design of the leather clad ones from a Motorsport convertible?

[On_a_Roll]

Then you would have MotorSport cards in you Hartge/non Sport which look like you've pillaged a Sport for your interior.

A car of this exclusiveness and restoration quality should CORRECT in all details, call me anal, it's what makes the difference.

[djk]

You are anal. A car's only original once.

[bss325i]

Then you would have MotorSport cards in you Hartge/non Sport which look like you've pillaged a Sport for your interior.

A car of this exclusiveness and restoration quality should CORRECT in all details, call me anal, it's what makes the difference.

The fact its not a genuine Hartge anymore as its based on a 318i shell is quite a big detail thats not correct so some extended leather door panels shouldn't matter to much.

I have contemplated a retrim for mine but its got to look OEM and EVERY E30 retrim i have seen bar one as stood out a mile as a retrim.

Thats why i asked for a pic of yours, as in your E30 in E46 although that did look ok.

If i get a retrim done then i would want extended leather as per motorsport cabs and a leather dash.

As for only Msport cabs and M3's having leather door panels/consols etc, i have seen extended leather in a LHD tech 2 sportpaket car from factory but the only factory leather dashboards i have seen were in some M3's and one calypso motorsport cab based C2 2.7.

[On_a_Roll]

Then you would have MotorSport cards in you Hartge/non Sport which look like you've pillaged a Sport for your interior.

A car of this exclusiveness and restoration quality should CORRECT in all details, call me anal, it's what makes the difference.

The fact its not a genuine Hartge anymore as its based on a 318i shell is quite a big detail thats not correct so some extended leather door panels shouldn't matter to much.

I have contemplated a retrim for mine but its got to look OEM and EVERY E30 retrim i have seen bar one as stood out a mile as a retrim.

Thats why i asked for a pic of yours, as in your E30 in E46 although that did look ok.

If i get a retrim done then i would want extended leather as per motorsport cabs and a leather dash.

As for only Msport cabs and M3's having leather door panels/consols etc, i have seen extended leather in a LHD tech 2 sportpaket car from factory but the only factory leather dashboards i have seen were in some M3's and one calypso motorsport cab based C2 2.7.

It's not about looking good, it's about whether it was done by BMW or is correct for the model of car.

Barry, a leather clad E30 dash would be HORRIBLE dude! Don;t do it! It's looks all faux Bentley and E30's are all about spartan teutonic minimalism - looks gay in the MotorSport Cabs even. All that white leather it's just gaudy LA style nonsense.

The reason re-trims in E30's look sort of fake is because we've never seen new leather in an E30. When they start to wear and shine, a few creases etc, they look spot on.

The other reason they look fake is because people specify rubbish combos like black with red piping or cream with blue piping - it looks awful.

Re-trim is great but ensure correct hide and AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE colour match. If they can't match it really well I wouldn't do it. B-Trim have a Scottish Indigo Blue leather that I swear is spot on to the Indigo Vinyl in my 318iS. So they don't have to do the seat backs or the door cards,


Here is an E30 rear seat re-trim against an old door card. Looks okay but in the flesh, until the leather shines up, you can tell.





Here is my 'worn in' 318iS re-trim after about 4 years. Done in cabrio style (which is why I'm re-trimming to go back to the vertical stitch style). They look 100% factory.



Notice the door cards - the insert is in leather but is glued on in place of the previous fabric. I now will use mint all-vinyl door cards which look better, if not feel all Bentley Luxury which if we're honest, is gay.

[bss325i]

A black stitched leather dash looks spot on.

I have seen quite a few E30's with as new non shiny leather. The leather isn't meant to be shiny, it gets shiny when it wares.

When i said about retrims sticking out i meant even where they have tried to replicate the orginal vertical stitching and not gash coloured piping.

I have even posted on peoples threads that their interior has been retrimed even when it "apears" to be OEM.

I just have an eye for it just like i have an eye for body repairs/paint.

Cab/M3 seats are easier to replicate, the vertical stitching is alot harder to make look OEM and as i said, i have only seen one convincing retrim in this fasion which incidently was indigo in a 40000 mile orginal owner 4dr 318i. (He wanted to spec it up abit after owning it 20 years. )

[The_Diddler]

Have a look at this thread, Lowey had his sport seats retrimmed, they look pretty good.....

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... highlight=

As for black and red piping, your upsetting me now







I think that back in 1989 they must have been seen as the mutts nuts, plus the total coat of this interior when you add up the fact that it was an SE so came with comfort front seats so the owner speced sports front seats in anthracite, then Sytners Nottingham shipped the car to a local chap called Graham Dean for the leather retrim, in black leather with red piping, with the instruction to make the rear bench look like an M3 , i have since spoken to Graham and he actually remembers this car and how expensive it was at the time as well, he also says that he only ever did one other with the same rear bench and he designed and made everything himself at the request of Sytners......

Total cost in 1989..........£1,600.00

[superunknown]

nice!always been a fan of hartges'....

[bss325i]

I think that back in 1989 they must have been seen as the mutts nuts, plus the total coat of this interior when you add up the fact that it was an SE so came with comfort front seats so the owner speced sports front seats in anthracite, then Sytners Nottingham shipped the car to a local chap called Graham Dean for the leather retrim, in black leather with red piping, with the instruction to make the rear bench look like an M3 , i have since spoken to Graham and he actually remembers this car and how expensive it was at the time as well, he also says that he only ever did one other with the same rear bench and he designed and made everything himself at the request of Sytners......

Total cost in 1989..........£1,600.00

I never for one second thought it was factory Paul.

[On_a_Roll]

That looks truly nasty - sorry.

Let this all be a lesson - better stay OEM it will always pay you back in the end.

[The_Diddler]

That looks truly nasty - sorry.

Let this all be a lesson - better stay OEM it will always pay you back in the end.

Well theres no accounting for taste is there

[The_Diddler]

I think that back in 1989 they must have been seen as the mutts nuts, plus the total coat of this interior when you add up the fact that it was an SE so came with comfort front seats so the owner speced sports front seats in anthracite, then Sytners Nottingham shipped the car to a local chap called Graham Dean for the leather retrim, in black leather with red piping, with the instruction to make the rear bench look like an M3 , i have since spoken to Graham and he actually remembers this car and how expensive it was at the time as well, he also says that he only ever did one other with the same rear bench and he designed and made everything himself at the request of Sytners......

Total cost in 1989..........£1,600.00

I never for one second thought it was factory Paul.

No, not factory but commissioned by Sytners Nottingham on a brand new vehicle at the request of the original purchaser, who consequently payed though the nose for it, apparently according to Graham the leather specialist he did quite a few retrims in leather on new cars for Sytners back in the day

[Alex]

Have a look at this thread, Lowey had his sport seats retrimmed, they look pretty good.....

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... highlight=

As for black and red piping, your upsetting me now







I think that back in 1989 they must have been seen as the mutts nuts, plus the total coat of this interior when you add up the fact that it was an SE so came with comfort front seats so the owner speced sports front seats in anthracite, then Sytners Nottingham shipped the car to a local chap called Graham Dean for the leather retrim, in black leather with red piping, with the instruction to make the rear bench look like an M3 , i have since spoken to Graham and he actually remembers this car and how expensive it was at the time as well, he also says that he only ever did one other with the same rear bench and he designed and made everything himself at the request of Sytners......

Total cost in 1989..........£1,600.00

no offence but looks a little Birmingham

[bss325i]

That might expain the calypso motorsport cab based C2 2.7 that had a black leather dash from new.

I have the Total BMW mag it was featured in. First ever issue in fact.

[On_a_Roll]

It's not the work of the trimmer that is at fault the quality looks good, neither is it Diddlers fault as he didn't commission it - it's whoever asked them to do the red piping, weird door cards and botched M3/Cabrio rear seat.

That's exactly what I was talking about - well dodge.

[The_Diddler]

That might expain the calypso motorsport cab based C2 2.7 that had a black leather dash from new.

I have the Total BMW mag it was featured in. First ever issue in fact.

Sounds like it could have been done by Graham then, i'll ask if he remembers it, i'm seeing him next week as he has asked to see the car again, plus i want some rear headrests doing

[bodger]

wow, nearly a full page of nothing to do with the op

[The_Diddler]

It's not the work of the trimmer that is at fault the quality looks good, neither is it Diddlers fault as he didn't commission it - it's whoever asked them to do the red piping, weird door cards and botched M3/Cabrio rear seat.

That's exactly what I was talking about - well dodge.

It isnt a botched M3/cabrio rear seat, he took the original moredoor rear bench and started from fresh, and hand crafted the bolsters etc from his own design.

To be far to you, black leather and red piping today would be just wrong, 1989 is a different story.

[The_Diddler]

wow, nearly a full page of nothing to do with the op

Good point, will stop now

[On_a_Roll]

Looks wrong in 1989 too - which is why BMW never offered it.

SO!

What is the interior plan for the Hartge?

[e30topless]

wow, nearly a full page of nothing to do with the op

Chris are we still up for going down to surrey/kent to collect the wheels for this biatch on sunday ?

[e30topless]

Looks wrong in 1989 too - which is why BMW never offered it.

SO!

What is the interior plan for the Hartge?

it should be crossing the atlantic in the next week

[bss325i]

Looks wrong in 1989 too - which is why BMW never offered it.

SO!

What is the interior plan for the Hartge?

it should be crossing the atlantic in the next week

NO WAY?!

[e30topless]

Have a look at this thread, Lowey had his sport seats retrimmed, they look pretty good.....

http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... highlight=

As for black and red piping, your upsetting me now







I think that back in 1989 they must have been seen as the mutts nuts, plus the total coat of this interior when you add up the fact that it was an SE so came with comfort front seats so the owner speced sports front seats in anthracite, then Sytners Nottingham shipped the car to a local chap called Graham Dean for the leather retrim, in black leather with red piping, with the instruction to make the rear bench look like an M3 , i have since spoken to Graham and he actually remembers this car and how expensive it was at the time as well, he also says that he only ever did one other with the same rear bench and he designed and made everything himself at the request of Sytners......

Total cost in 1989..........£1,600.00

no offence but looks a little Birmingham

in the 80's this was something you would drool over, a bit like using JPS gold graphics on black ford capri's

everything was cheesy... it's a nice retro look in pauls car I like it

[bodger]

wow, nearly a full page of nothing to do with the op

Chris are we still up for going down to surrey/kent to collect the wheels for this biatch on sunday ?

yes steve, what time we setting off