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Post Sat May 07, 2005 10:39 pm

First of all folks let me appoligise for the misleading title in this post, I'm just trying to get as much toughts on this problem as possible, desperate times call for desperate measure's and all that :oops:
We've just finished building a 325 track day car http://www.xworksmotorsport.com/bmw1.htm and after some frantic late night working, got her out for the first track day last monday. We got 5 laps in before the engine died :cry: and has refused to start since.
We've tried to find where the problem lie's but have hit a bit of a brick wall and would be extreemly greatfull if anybody can offer some advice.
First up, the manner in which the engine decided to give up. As mentioned the car had completed 5 laps without missing a beat and then while exiting a corner and proceeding down the straight the engine started to misfire very badly on all cylinders, loosing all power, so the clutch was depressed to save any damage if the belt had gone. The engine would idle ok as we rolled into the padock but spluter, backfire and misfire if any throttle was applied. When we parked up we tried to see if pulling plug leads would identify if it was specific cylinders which were giving problems but the misfires and backfires seemed to be in every one. All this time the engine would still idle ok. The engine was then turned of to check a few more things and it has never restarted.
When we got the car home we now found we have no spark from the coil and the injectors are not being triggered. There is 12v going to the coil but the ECU does not seem to be triggering the negitive at the coil to create a spark. The coil has been checked on another car and has proved to be ok. There is power to the ECU. The engine management is of the earlier type with the 2 sensors in the gearbox bellhousing for TDC and engine position sensor and we are starting to think that maybe one of these sensors has died. Unfortunatly we don't have any info on how to check these sensors. We have checked the 3 wires from the ecu to each of these plugs on these sensors for shorts or breaks and all seems well, however we don't know of any way to check if the ecu is receiving any signals back from them. As things stand we are left with the choice of replacing these two sensors at a cost of Ԛ£150 or buying a replacement ECU and hoping this cures the fault as there is no second hand bits to be found in the scrapyards around here to try cheaply.
Can anybody suggest anything else to try or a way of checking these sensors. Any body know where I might be able to get some diagnostic info for these early type management systems. Or does anybody know the number for the Samaritans :(
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Post Sat May 07, 2005 10:45 pm

Firstly I don't know enough to give you a diagnosis, sorry, but it does sound like an ecu /sensor problem to me.
Secondly don't pay Ԛ£1150 for any thing, the gus on here have just about every par under the sun, on avarage and ecu goes for Ԛ£15-25 and I should think some one would give you some sensors if you ask nicely!
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Post Sat May 07, 2005 10:51 pm

Thanks for the words of encouragement nice to know there may be some help out there. :D
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Post Sat May 07, 2005 10:52 pm

I have never worked on the early engined cars with the gearbox sensors, but do remember hearing stories about the pegs on the flywheel (that the sensors look for) can fall out.

If you were on the track, I have to assume you were using high RPM's, so the pegs may well have parted company with the flywheel.

Your symptoms certainly sound like a crank sensor problem to me though. I would pull the two gearbox sensors and slowly rotate the engine to see if you can see the peg/s in the flywheel.

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Post Sat May 07, 2005 10:56 pm

Ahh now you see thats the sort of info I was hoping to find out, thanks for taking the time to post Ian, will check that and report back first thing tomorrow.
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Post Sat May 07, 2005 11:32 pm

i have some gearbox sensors
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Post Sun May 08, 2005 1:50 am

probably won't help much with your problem

but i thought i'd make the thread title a bit more appropriate

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Post Sun May 08, 2005 9:14 am

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Post Sun May 08, 2005 2:28 pm

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Post Sun May 08, 2005 3:18 pm

i had this problem before.It was the coil.It idled spot on but soon as you tried to drive it it would conk out 100 yrds down the road.
When you tested the coil on the other car was it taken for a drive ?

Mine would idle for ages.but only run for a short while at revs.
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Post Sun May 08, 2005 3:21 pm

foooooooooooooookin wow
wish my local bodgit mechanic looked like that :wan: :lol: Daz
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Post Sun May 08, 2005 4:58 pm

Apparently that's a tranny lads!! :o
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Post Sun May 08, 2005 5:04 pm

Do you think she is automatic or a manual?? :hump:
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Post Sun May 08, 2005 5:14 pm

twin wheel manual i reckon :lol:
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Post Mon May 09, 2005 1:36 am

sounds to me like the problem I had with my 325i that I'm breaking. I replaced the cas and no joy. I wanted to check the voltage at cranking so I popped the meter on pin 25 & 26 (check those but I think they're right) and hey presto, it actually started.

In light of know about the pegs I suspect this was the cause as the tosser who was dricing put it in first at 70!

I can't say why simply putting the meter on would work butI guess maybe it's some kind of capacitance / resistace modification to the signal (simply shorting the sensor doesn't work) The car ran like a bag of shit mind.

Anyways, there's something to try.
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Post Mon May 09, 2005 9:12 am

E30Adam wrote:Apparently that's a tranny lads!! :o


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well she would need one to get those in :D
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Post Mon May 09, 2005 8:01 pm

Ladies and Gents thanks one and all for the input and suggestions and even the nice picture to brighten up the post. Thanks to A1BMW325isport for the offer for the sensors and last but by no means least could Ian please stand up and take a bow. We pulled out the sensor and rotated the flywheel and just as you had suggested there was a loose decapitated flywheel peg. We're gonna pull the box tomorrow night and drill out the remaining part of the peg and tap the hole and screw in a measured bolt in an effort to avoid this happening again. Once again, top advice, cheers. Will post when the engine runs again.
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Post Mon May 09, 2005 8:05 pm

I've yet to see the day Ian isn't spot on with diagnosing a problem with an E30! Top fella!
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