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Sorry mate, don't mean to tread on anyone's toes but It's the other way round. The B4's are standard twin tube. The B6 is a monotube strut with standard travel but uprated and suitable for up to 30mm lowering. The B8 is the shortened version of the B6 which is suitable for big drops. I have B6's fitted to my VW as I didn't want to lower it. Fitted B8's to the e30 as it was on a 50mm drop iirc.DanThe wrote:B4 is pretty much a standard damper
B6 has the shortest damper rod and was standard issue on Mtech 1 sports, very good damper
B8 is more heavy duty, fitted to Alpina and Hartge cars but longer stroke/taller damper rod so you cant fit as short a spring that you would be able to with B6 dampers
Have you fitted all of the above to E30's?steve325i wrote:Sorry mate, don't mean to tread on anyone's toes but It's the other way round. The B4's are standard twin tube. The B6 is a monotube strut with standard travel but uprated and suitable for up to 30mm lowering. The B8 is the shortened version of the B6 which is suitable for big drops. I have B6's fitted to my VW as I didn't want to lower it. Fitted B8's to the e30 as it was on a 50mm drop iirc.DanThe wrote:B4 is pretty much a standard damper
B6 has the shortest damper rod and was standard issue on Mtech 1 sports, very good damper
B8 is more heavy duty, fitted to Alpina and Hartge cars but longer stroke/taller damper rod so you cant fit as short a spring that you would be able to with B6 dampers
Fitted b8s to the last e30 sport my friend had which I rebuilt.DanThe wrote:Have you fitted all of the above to E30's?steve325i wrote:Sorry mate, don't mean to tread on anyone's toes but It's the other way round. The B4's are standard twin tube. The B6 is a monotube strut with standard travel but uprated and suitable for up to 30mm lowering. The B8 is the shortened version of the B6 which is suitable for big drops. I have B6's fitted to my VW as I didn't want to lower it. Fitted B8's to the e30 as it was on a 50mm drop iirc.DanThe wrote:B4 is pretty much a standard damper
B6 has the shortest damper rod and was standard issue on Mtech 1 sports, very good damper
B8 is more heavy duty, fitted to Alpina and Hartge cars but longer stroke/taller damper rod so you cant fit as short a spring that you would be able to with B6 dampers
It seem like you are because the noob is questioning you? You are telling me im wrong but all the info you need is on the Bilstein website so is that wrong too?DanThe wrote:Im not trying to funny either, but you are wrong, and obviously have not had them side by side or driven an E30 with each damper
Well, if you are keeping your existing springs they look low I recon they must be 60mm springs so the B8's would be the proper ones for the job. Generally the B4's are fine for lowering up to 30mm. anything over 30mm the dampers dont have enough travel and bottom out giving a harsh crashy ride. B4's and Eibach pro springs are a good combo as they are not too harsh or too low. All depends on what kind of budget you have Tbh.Arsen_Design wrote:I guess my issue is that I have 'some' lowering springs on my car now (have no idea what they are or how much its lowered, see pic below)
The shocks on the car are pretty much dead and i want a good ride but i want it to be sporty.
All Bilstein shocks sound really good, but it still doesnt help me to narrow down what i need
Can you run B4 with a lowered car and still have suspension?
Thanks,
M.
Yes, the website is wrong! Where is the E30 specific info? Does it exist?steve325i wrote:It seem like you are because the noob is questioning you? You are telling me im wrong but all the info you need is on the Bilstein website so is that wrong too?DanThe wrote:Im not trying to funny either, but you are wrong, and obviously have not had them side by side or driven an E30 with each damper
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b6/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... -absorbers
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b8/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... ont-insert
On the info it even says that the B8 is the shortened one for lowering. I dont think Bilstien would change that or their designs just for E30 fitment.
Im not getting into a war but I live, eat and breath bilstein. Even my daily derv Passat runs B6's and like I said I sell them to my customers at work.
The VW and other brand do make a difference as the E30 aftermarket shocks are no different to any other a B4, B6 and B8 is the same type of shock regardless of model. What you are saying is the manufacturer that makes the dampers are wrong, the catalogue from the manufacturer is wrong even though its there in black and white with no specific notes saying otherwise. Because the E30 is something special? Maybe the dampers that bilstien make for BMW may have different specs but Bilstein themselves dont list anything special.DanThe wrote:Yes, the website is wrong! Where is the E30 specific info? Does it exist?steve325i wrote:It seem like you are because the noob is questioning you? You are telling me im wrong but all the info you need is on the Bilstein website so is that wrong too?DanThe wrote:Im not trying to funny either, but you are wrong, and obviously have not had them side by side or driven an E30 with each damper
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b6/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... -absorbers
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b8/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... ont-insert
On the info it even says that the B8 is the shortened one for lowering. I dont think Bilstien would change that or their designs just for E30 fitment.
Im not getting into a war but I live, eat and breath bilstein. Even my daily derv Passat runs B6's and like I said I sell them to my customers at work.
The deamon tweaks site is showing a completely different damper than whats fitted to an e30 even.
What has a passat or any other brand or model got to do with the E30 BTW?
If you do "live, eat and breath bilstein" then your not very good at it
Just search the forum, you will find this topic has been covered many times before and your not the first to get it wrong.
Its very possible BMW specified custom droop and travel values for their B6 damper fitted to early sports and some other models with 51mm and smaller struts (lets not even discuss valving).steve325i wrote:So the manufacturer that makes the dampers are wrong, the catalogue from the manufacturer is wrong even though its there in black and white with no specific notes saying otherwise. Because the E30 is something special? Maybe the dampers that bilstien make for BMW may have different specs but Bilstein themselves dont list anything special.DanThe wrote:Yes, the website is wrong! Where is the E30 specific info? Does it exist?steve325i wrote: It seem like you are because the noob is questioning you? You are telling me im wrong but all the info you need is on the Bilstein website so is that wrong too?
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b6/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... -absorbers
http://www.bilstein.de/en-uk/products/h ... lstein-b8/
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... ont-insert
On the info it even says that the B8 is the shortened one for lowering. I dont think Bilstien would change that or their designs just for E30 fitment.
Im not getting into a war but I live, eat and breath bilstein. Even my daily derv Passat runs B6's and like I said I sell them to my customers at work.
The deamon tweaks site is showing a completely different damper than whats fitted to an e30 even.
What has a passat or any other brand or model got to do with the E30 BTW?
If you do "live, eat and breath bilstein" then your not very good at it
Just search the forum, you will find this topic has been covered many times before and your not the first to get it wrong.
http://web1.carparts-cat.com/default.as ... 004&12=130
Sorry, you are the wrong one and I would rather trust the manufactures own data and catalogues in black and white than anyother source or hearsay from a forum.
Spot on, you seem to get what im saying. You now cannot buy a shortened upgraded B6 for an E30 from Bilstein.Demlotcrew wrote:
Its very possible BMW specified custom droop and travel values for their B6 damper fitted to early sports and some other models with 51mm and smaller struts (lets not even discuss valving).
I have two B8's at home, one set is short, the other is not. One pair are from BMW MS and other from Bilstein direct. Granted they were bought a very long time ago, its very possible that Bilstein have standardised their product offering.
Andrew
Here's a thread with my Touring, with some pics of it on B6s, if it helps you:Arsen_Design wrote:Has anyone got photos of their cars lowered on B6 or B8s ???
There is too many mixed messages on what is the right choice!
Like you said, they have simplified the range. I can see they are aftermarket as the ones from BMW dont have any stickers on them.Demlotcrew wrote:The interesting thing is, my photo on the last page shows dampers not bought from BMW, but were sources from the Bilstein reseller network.
Andrew
