typical windows not working problem

[ross2009]

since my cars been parked up since last oct nov time my windows have packed up well sort off
i know alot of people have problems with them when the doors open but mines the opposite
they dont work with the ignition on and doors closed yet they work with the door open

any ideas what this could be ??

[BenHar]

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/inde ... ot_working

Ben

[ross2009]

i just looked at that page but missed that lol silly me

[ross2009]

that still dont help me now as i just went and had a little look both fuses are fine
only the drivers side window work with the door open i swapped the k5 relay and now both work with the doors open
but still dont work with the doors closed but as it says in the wiki about the green and black wire my heater blower doesnt work either but all fuses are fine

[BenHar]

Check the connection of the green/black wire to the starter motor and bulkhead plug.

Brian will be along soon to give chapter and verse.

Ben

[ross2009]

starter motor end looks fine
wiring isnt one of my strong points i never know where to start

[BenHar]

From post http://www.e30zone.net/modules.php?name ... ic+windows

Check fuse 17 (30A), and if that's OK, pull out relay K5, identify pins 30 and 87 (marked on the case), and use a short piece of wire to link together these two pins of the relay's socket. If that brings the windows to life, do the same thing with K7, and see if that sorts the door mirrors (and the heater fan?)
If linking out these two relays sorts the problems, turn your attention to the black/green wire going to the starter motor.

[ross2009]

right ok checked that and yes by linking the 2 relays both my heater an my windows work now to the black / green wire what would be wrong with it where do I look ?
according to the Haynes wiring diagram there is no black/green wire going to the starter motor ??

[Grrrmachine]

according to the Haynes wiring diagram there is no black/green wire going to the starter motor ??

Bin the Haynes. It's only accurate for E30 models made on the third Thursday of August 1983, and even then only the red ones.

"Check the wire" means find both ends and make sure they're connected, stick a multimeter across it to check it hasn't broken internally, and then clean up the plugs from corrosion and make sure they're tightened properly.

[ross2009]

according to the Haynes wiring diagram there is no black/green wire going to the starter motor ??

Bin the Haynes. It's only accurate for E30 models made on the third Thursday of August 1983, and even then only the red

ha yeah your prob right there
I can't see no black green wire on the starter motor

[Grrrmachine]

Your starter motor should have three wires going to it. An enormous thick one straight to the battery, a medium sized one, and the tiny thin wire which is the black/green.

[ross2009]

no I've got 4 going to mine got the big black one a red one and 2 small black ones I take it the bottom small one is the signal to the solinoid and the higher one is this black and green one although it's black or has it got a coating on it well anyway there all connected
where does the black and green one go to is it the fuse box
give me some idea where to trace it to

[Brianmoooore]

Four wires to the starter motor is correct. The red one is from the alternator, and connects to the same terminal as the big black one from the battery. It's just a way of connecting the alternator to the battery and save a bit of heavy wire.
The coloured wires to the smaller terminals do have a black outer sheath on them - the one you want is the one with the smallest terminal on the end.
The problem is very unlikely to be at the fusebox end, and far more likely to be where the wire joins the terminal or where the terminal is attached to the solenoid.

[ross2009]

well I've put a meter on the terminal with the ignition on and I have 12v there so what next

[Brianmoooore]

It means it isn't (electrically) connected to the solenoid. Take it off and clean it off.

[ross2009]

well I've just undone it again wire brushed it still nothing took it off again felt the terminal and guess what it was hanging out of the solinoid tightened that up then put the wire bk on and ha presto the windows work thanks brian and guys
bloody silly little thing like that

[BenHar]

Add it to the wiki Grrr.

Ben

[TPS]

Thanks very much, I've just cured my Windows/Heater fault by reading this, the starter motor terminal wire had worked loose (god knows how), tightened up the 8mm nut, hey presto, everything works as it should, again!