what brakes?

[Dan318-is]

im running a 318is and the brakes look horrible and rusty

i was thinking of uprating to EBC green stuff and turbogroove discs n pads as my mate has them on his merc and they are stupendous.

wanted to ask for some advice from you lot to see what brakes you running? or what you would recommend?

advice appreciated!

[TOURINGDADDY]

this wot im runnin some people dont like drilled but i love them

[Dan318-is]

do they work well? i have been told that drilled crack easily which is why i was going for grooved ones instead, do greenstuff pads work well

[Karan]

those drilled ones wont really crack....

i dont rate greenstuff cos they fry really easy as do the redstuff!

cos of the small discs for realaitvely heavy cars on the e30 the discs get hotter as more force is required to stop..... so u need a hard compound racing type pad to really stop, a few ppl here oncluding myself run these types of pads-i run ferodo 3466 compound

as for discs..... ive tried many on e30s and they are all the same pretty much with regards to how long they last before frying so id just go for a good quality disc eg ATE power disc which will also help deglaze the pad.

good fluid is a must and is often overlooked-i use castrol srf fluid and its awesome!!

karan

[Dan318-is]

thanks for the fluid tip - is that dot 4 yea?

[jmc330i]

I would go with the ATE Power discs. I cant remember the pads people on here recommend. Do a search for ATE Power discs, its bound to come up with something.

And as Karan said, dont overlook the brake fluid. A lot of people seem to and then complain that their new discs and pads are cr*p.

I had EBC Turbogroove discs and Greenstuff pads, some people say they are ok, but Im not one of them. They maybe good for lighter cars, or if the discs on the E30 were a bigger diameter to help dissipate more heat to prevent warping.
I forget now how long mine lasted, but they warped badly really quickly and if my Digi camera wasnt playing up Id get some piccys to show how bad the surface of the discs cracked up. I was told it was stress cracks from the discs being warped.

I didnt really use them that hard either, just the occasional late night blat around the lanes

[Dan318-is]

i have ordered some ATE blue fluid thingy

i haev heard good and bad thigns about EBC, i dont really know what alternatives there are for pads and disc. i

would like to use preferably pads and dsics by the same manufacturer, but most good pad makers e.g. pagid or Ferrodo dont do discs do they? is it worth running these pads with ATE discs?

were can i buy ATE discs from for a 318is??

[Dan318-is]

just been on motorsport world, a full pagid 8 grooved disc set up including pads all round is cheaper than the same set up as it is with EBC

Anyone had any experience with Pagid?

[Markr]

Grooved discs are a complete pain on road cars though as the grooves fill up very quickly with dust and the pedal vibrates and the brakes squeal.

Drilled discs are woeful and will crack in no time if you really work the brakes. The majority of aftermarket drilled discs are exactly that. Standard discs with holes drilled in them that arent supposed to be there and massively weaken the surface.

About the only "drilled" discs that I know of that actually last well are Porsche discs that arent drilled at all. The holes are cast in to the the discs when they are formed and so are much stronger than aftermarket drilled discs.

[Dan318-is]

thanks for advice, but amongst all this pesimism, what do you recommend if drilled and slotted are both useless???

[Markr]

Plain vented discs are the strongest overall. Also the biggest killer of discs is heat that is caused by the big build up in cast iron calipers that nearly all production cars come with. Once it builds up it wont dissapate and that is what also boils your fluid. The heat gets transfered into the fluid by the pistons which unlike race calipers are not stainless so conduct the heat right into where you dont want it.

[Dan318-is]

i know about brakes an that calipers are a bastad, an i know what causes heat in discs etc but i dont know about after market parts an what parts to get, i wlays tellmy mates plain vented discs are the best but i get laughed at, what good makes do these plain vented discs an were cn i get em,

calipers cost a bomb tho dont they?

cheers for help pal

[Markr]

The Rally Design plain vented discs are very good quality, but not sure if they are available for the E30's. Would have thought so.

Uprated calipers arent particularly cheap, but a good set-up on an E30 would probably be around Ԛ£400.

[Markr]

Oh failing that, stick to the people like Mintex, Ferodo etc for discs, although even Unipart ones are good quality these days. In fact I think that Brembo make the majority of Unipart discs.

[Dan318-is]

i cnt find n e brembo parts for 318is e30, they look fookin expensive tho! i was lookin at pagid or ferrodo, probably pagid if they do vented discs.

what u running pal

[astondg]

Grooved discs are a complete pain on road cars though as the grooves fill up very quickly with dust and the pedal vibrates and the brakes squeal.

Drilled discs are woeful and will crack in no time if you really work the brakes. The majority of aftermarket drilled discs are exactly that. Standard discs with holes drilled in them that arent supposed to be there and massively weaken the surface.

About the only "drilled" discs that I know of that actually last well are Porsche discs that arent drilled at all. The holes are cast in to the the discs when they are formed and so are much stronger than aftermarket drilled discs.

I have never had that problem with my EBC slotted discs, they have never squealed. My EBC discs are slotted and dimpled (not drilled), and I haven't had any problems with them after over a year of road and track day use.

I did just get my brake pads changed though because I had EBC Greenstuff and they had overheated like Karan said, I hadn't ever had brake fade though and they seemed to work just as well as when they were new. Now I have some type of Lucas brake pad that was recommended to me by a mechanic that works on a lot of E30's and races one. I have had them at a track day and they seem ok so far, they also don't squeal or shudder.

BUT because there seems to be mixed feelings about EBC but only good comments about ATE it is probably best if you go with ATE.

Aston

[Turbo-Brown]

Hee heeeee!

[georgen]

just been on motorsport world, a full pagid 8 grooved disc set up including pads all round is cheaper than the same set up as it is with EBC

Anyone had any experience with Pagid?

Yeah, I user Pagid fast road pads and ATE ( non-power ) discs on my sport. The rears were standard BMW. Worked spot on for me !!!

[Dan318-is]

were can i buy these ATE discs people?

[georgen]

were can i buy these ATE discs people?

Euro Car Parts is your bet bet IMO..

[Simon13]

mintex C M 1155 competition pads! they work well on mine with ate power disks but squeek alot when cold

[Dan318-is]

Euro Car parts it is then.

i think im guna use ATE power discs all round with pagid pads and ATe or Motul brake fluid

[astondg]

Hee heeeee!

, except they don't look much bigger discs than standard? What size are the wheels? Probably 17" or something which would make the discs look smaller?

Aston

[Turbo-Brown]

Hee heeeee!

, except they don't look much bigger discs than standard? What size are the wheels? Probably 17" or something which would make the discs look smaller?

Aston

I know, was a bit disappointed when I fitted the 17" wheels

The discs are only about an inch or so bigger than standard, think when those wear out I'll be going for some 330mm discs. The caliper brackets are quite a nice sort of modular design so spacing them out should be pretty easy

[Dan318-is]

hmm somewhat of a predicament im in here

So if ATE power discs are too small, EBC dont seem to have a stable enough feedback form ebveryone, and brembo need a mortgage, what discs can i buy?

[jmc330i]

So if ATE power discs are too small

ATE power discs are the same size as the standard 260mm discs, as are the EBC stuff.

Turbo-Brown has Wilwood 4-pot calipers with 280mm discs, not the ATE discs. He is just saying they look a bit small behind his 17s.

[Dan318-is]

iv got 17inch OZs on my car, so would ATE discs also look rather small? does n e one know what pagid discs are like?

[jmc330i]

The replacement discs, whether ATE, EBC or Pagid, will be the same size as the discs that are on the car at the moment (260mm), so will only look as small as they do now.

If you want larger discs, then you will need a big brake conversion. Can cost anything from Ԛ£400 - Ԛ£2000, depending on what make and how big you want to go.

[Dan318-is]

fu*k that.

ATE discs it is, i would rather spend 400 bucks on an H n R kit.

ATE disc sn Pagids ordering now!

[Adam318i]

Im gona get ATE Power discs to, there on ECP for Ԛ£22, not sure if thats for a pair or each.

Adam

[Dan318-is]

there were 18 for me each

[Adam318i]

On ecp?

And where did you get your Pagid pads from and for how much?

Cheers,

Adam

[Dan318-is]

motorsport world:

front set are 30.20
rear set are 32.36 pal

good site for H n R cup kits too

[jmc330i]

Yeah, Ive found Motorsport World to be cheap compared to others on the net.
For one example, H&R Cup Kit -
Motorsport World Ԛ£364 delivered.
Need for Speed Ԛ£432.48 delivered.

It always pays to shop around.

[Dan318-is]

i agree completely ma brother. MSW is by far the cheapest for non chav stuff eg brakes suspension engine gear. H n R Cup kits fookin rule, cant wait to get mine on.

Pity MSW dusnt sell ATE discs