Could anyone tell me how to weld a diff up?

[fuzzy]

why cant you manage to drift without welding a diff? its got to be a killer for your tyres on the road if one or the others constantly spinning.

[murran]

yeah he probably did see that post on td. i put that up cus i needed more support against you nay sayers with your opinions built on sand.

while £250-£300 quid for an lsd, might be found at your house "down the back of the settee". it would take me a 3 months or more to save that (plus lsds for e21s are more like £500). free bit of welding is much better.

id consider big mike (sftr) very good at drifting. certainly in that 535i e34, awesome.
what we say about welded diffs is from experience of driving these cars on the road as daily rides (except me as im battling rust atm to get the e21 road worthy, but it'll be on the road shortly as im fed up of the stress of towing it to practice days) were not keyboard warriors.


fuzzy when your at a drifting day with an open diff. its like having your shoe laces tied together when your trying to run the 100 metres. you can do it, but you dont look cool when you keep falling over!!!

[steerfromtherear]

I think tbh it all depends on how you view your own car, if its drift car 1st, get to work 2nd in list of priorities and your skint then a welded diff is the best mod you can do.
If your the sort of person who wants to attend a couple of practice days for giggles and to learn some car control I would say as long as its rwd then open, welded or lsd who gives a fuck.

[papercutout]

The best thing for the car is that it gets a LSD, but importantly it won't comprimise its handling at all on the road. A welder is a must for drifting I guess. I presume there is no product that is affordable that offers a better level of control? I just don't think they are best practise in a day to day environment, thats just me.

Or a 2 way diff, I think Kaaz do them, or at least their variation of an LSD. NOT cheap though, see here: http://www.kaazuk.com/products.php



Fuzzy you can, but its nowhere near as good - I got to try an open diffed S13 a short while ago, it was a spectacular failure compared to something with a welded diff!
As for tyres - you're a drifter, it kind of goes with the territory! You learn to source tyres cheap as possible, if not free and find all the local places that'll help with this. Also, get good and potentially get a mini sponsor for example...?

[fuzzy]

its easy enough with an lsd and 300bhp

[MJG]

Hahaha, Topi is perfectly right, as usual. He started driving at 17 and has had a 2.0 sierra as a first car with a welded diff, daily commute of 40miles each way to work (or maybe more, I can't remember) through country lanes etc, very spirited driving, never ANY problem. The same car I used for 18months when I was 18. We all drove enthusiastically, as do most members of trampdrift.com, none of us have ever crashed due to a welded diff.

If you are a spacker, don't weld your diff. If you don't plan on using your car for mostly drifting/drag racing, then don't weld the diff. If you want to use your car as a track car and/or fast road car, don't weld the diff. If you plan on using a car for a daily drive and quick car and plan on drifting regularly, then by all means weld it up and realise there's nothing to be scared of.

I think the problem is generally that people drive like retards, hammering into corners braking whilst turning and having no understanding about the way cars work and how to get the best results from them. These type of people would say their bilsteins or H+R cup kit coupled with some polybushes make their car "handle like it's on rails" or "drive like a go kart". These type of people are wrong, and should never weld their diff as they obviously don't know how to drive properly. Ask any race driver they'll never have a problem driving with a welded diff, they'll just say how it gives them more understeer than normal but allows for great traction coming out of corners.

On the road, driving normally, you'll only notice when parking up when you hear/feel the back end skipping it's wheels to stay rotating at the same speed when turning tightly etc. You won't die, you won't wheelspin everywhere, you won't understeer off roundabouts into people. Driving fast, you'll just notice the back end is more reluctant to turn as one of the wheels would have to slightly slip to stay at the same rpms as the other so you have to overcome the grip on one of the wheels to turn. This is what causes slight initial understeer as you are turning the car and slightly slipping one rear wheel. I personally find driving a welded diff'd car fast is much more stable as you have a lot less chance of the back end wobbling and coming out in a turn unlike an open diff which is neither here nor there and just slides out whenever you make the arse end go light.

[bss325i]

From "that" thread on TD

I was going to post, but thought "what's the point?"

97.9% of the members on E30 Zone are so far up their car's arses it's a shame. They talk complete and utter shite when it comes to actually using a E30 for some real Driving enjoyment. They'd much rather polish their M-tech Knobs and wonder to themselves when will the E30 be regarded as a "true classic" and more importantly, when will they get over their stupid inferiority complex towards the VAG boys' scene - This is the only scene I've ever, EVER come across in my life that have real Driver's cars, but would rather sit in a fucking field sucking each other's cocks by seeing who's knob is a shinest. Patheic. I don't see Ford boys doing that, or wishing they were drolling over someone's stupidly priced Borbet alloys wheels in a field somewhere in wales....

Mention drifting and you're a teenage Chavvy pikey scum bag, but Fit something from the grossly over priced M-Tech and you're Allah, the Budda and Jesus Christ all rolled into one...

Who's going to do the honours and remind them that they're mostly driving 20 year old heaps, 318is are the most hyped up thing since bird flu (Baby M3? My fucking arse) and people drift your oh so special E30s because they are worth less thsn my shirt...

My ultimate goal in life is now to buy a mint 325I Sport, spary it flat black, weld the Diff and then Spam post a video of me ragging the living fuck out of it, JUST to piss them off. In fact, don't get me started on 325i Sports... Since when did Lowering springs and a barry bodykit make a standard powered 325i worth £5000? You could build a standard E30 to a standard to kick the shit out of the sport in everyway and still have enough cash to get a E38 740IL Daily and STILL HAVE CHANGE.

I'm SOOOOOOOOO fucking glad I don't own a E30 anymore. Te last time I want to be connected with at those cocks in any way shape or form.

What a pr1ck!

[fuzzy]

cant argue with the 318is comments . careful though. the drifters are a touchy bunch who get all offended if you criticise their obvious godlike driving skills that us mere mortals can only dream off.

[MJG]

I can't speak for most drifters, but I know I can drive pretty well myself Then again I think I'm better than most drifters anyway lol.

[fuzzy]

your obviously better than the majority according to your sig but why the general need to weld the diff? isnt that cheating the easy way? a real hero driver could/should do it without the welded driver aids?

[Jon_Bmw]

I'm still waiting for the day a newbiw logs onto trampdrift, welds up his diff on the 'experts' advice. Then bins it, crashes and burns probably taking others with him. Wicked.

[gooner1]

bss325i, as someone who does,nt sit in either camp, bufty or drifter, i can see joshy,s point sort of.
The amount of stick drifter,s get on this site approaches hate sometimes, and i,ve never understood it.
Me, i just like driving a well maintained, well built reasonably powerful rwd car that does,nt look like every other
euro box out there.

[Avtovaz]

ah right, jsut reading some of the comments above, and i may have the reason why ther are two very different opinions on the diff.


On my Lada i have Colway f2's, loads more grippy than standard road tyres, and maybe a bit known to just let go. Then i have yoko 035's on it, these when worn in are better imho that most tyres on the road for all conditions.

Now, everyone else who likes the welded seem to run crapy tires, then the car will maybe more predictable as you have loads less grip to start with.


agreed?

[fuzzy]

i hope im in the 2.1% that isnt up their own 4rse.
theres even some that arent only up there own 4rse but everyone elses 4rses as well

[fuzzy]

I'm still waiting for the day a newbiw logs onto trampdrift, welds up his diff on the 'experts' advice. Then bins it, crashes and burns probably taking others with him. Wicked.

and there can be a long 'told you so' thread about it on here.

[Jon_Bmw]

I won't be able to read it, my head is stuck somewhere unpleasant.

[MJG]

Yeah but the welded diff still affects handling in the same way, just with the grippy and quick-to-let-go tyres it will all happen more brutally.

Fuzzy - I had an open diff for ages thinking the same thing, a welded diff is cheating, and in a way it's good to use the open diffs to start with but in reality it's just a losing battle. You really can only go so far with an open diff or a poor LSD before it just can't do what you need to do. It's impossible to accelerate whilst sideways with only one wheel spinning and weight shift starts to settle down so the outside wheel just starts to grip.

Jon - nobody is claiming to be an expert so stop trying to be bitter, I think you'll realise that people who have personally driven on welded diffs for years just have a valid opinion compared to someone who sits on e30zone making up stuff they know nothing about.

Gooner - Joshy was a bit harsh, as everyone commented on on TD. Everyone is entitled their opinions and it just makes us laugh when people on here get so riled by people having a laugh in their cars. Is it because they are too old, too boring, too miserable, too sad, too shit at driving? Who knows, but it keeps us entertained.

[gooner1]

i hope im in the 2.1% that isnt up their own 4rse.
theres even some that arent only up there own 4rse but everyone elses 4rses as well

Well if you are one of the 2.1 fuzzy, there.s only .1 left, cos i sure aint up mine. Or anyone else,s , i hasten to add.

[fuzzy]

generally i dont think it is . i think its more likely that its a wind up and the drifters bite. it keeps us entertained

[GrindCulture]

Is it because they are too boring, too miserable, too sad, too shit at driving? Who knows, but it keeps us entertained.

I'm all of the above, and I drive an underpowered touring that has very nackered old suspension but I still enjoy driving

This should all be settled in the playground after school tomorrow. I'll look after your keys so they don't get lost

[town325i]

I'm still waiting for the day a newbiw logs onto trampdrift, welds up his diff on the 'experts' advice. Then bins it, crashes and burns probably taking others with him. Wicked.

and there can be a long 'told you so' thread about it on here.

.
i like the sound of that

[town325i]

a mate of mine has got a nissan 200sx he aint got a welded diff and he can drift it with no problems what so ever even with something like 255 rear tyres

[Jon_Bmw]

Mr Gaynor, if you engaged your brain and used your eyes before posting perhaps you'd understand. Franky i'm quite suprised you are not working/cable tieing your car as thats what you spend most of your life doing isn't it? Not 'defending' welders on the road.

I'll quote myself again in case you missed it:

Its simple.

If you use your e30 on the road most of the time and want to do the occasional drift day or track day, just buy a LSD.

If the car is only a drift car and gets trailored to events etc then weld it up.




£250 is hardly a lot of money to make the car a lot more useable in an every day situation which is where most of you guys use your e30 right? If its a second car, weld it up, but its never going to be as safe or as good as a even an open diff on the road. But yes ultimately its going to be awesome in a drift event compared to a slipper. I have seen Karan in action at the Pod and it has a lot more power than a 318is with a welder. I think even he would admit its a tad lively on the road! Other people that have driven his car on the road say its interesting

Welders have a purpose, I just don't get them on a road car. Horses for courses and all that though.

If you need me to re quote it in larger font, ask, I won't do it but I can reccomend some good magnifying glasses.


If you like using them on the road, fine, you are good at drifting. Other people might not be as good, get points on their liecence at best, crash and burn at worst. How hard is it to grasp that concept. Although I did hear rumours you were banned, but that might have been tosh, so you might struggle.

Not that you really care about insurance it seems with this thread:

http://www.trampdrift.com/html/modules. ... sc&start=0

[MJG]

Well done town325i, tell your mate to come and compete in the BDC with his open diff rather than hooking up roundabouts ;) We'll see how great the open difff serves him.

Most of the real drifters can hang open diffs out no problem, and they can be fun for sure, but they do not allow for proper drifting on most tracks, it's nothing to do with skill, it's just a fact.

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

[GrindCulture]

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

You what?

[MJG]

Jon - I agree with what you wrote, I was commenting on your "I can't wait to see what happens when someone crashes after 'expert' advice" post. We're not experts, we just have real life experience compared to most e30zoners. None of our 2000 members (or however many it is) have crashed due to a welded diff yet, and a lot of them do have welders in their daily drivers. Some of them are awful drivers too.

I am currently banned yeah, killed some tyres in a carpark out of town at 2am on a Monday in a supra I owned. Had two fresh wheels and tyres in the boot with my trolley jack and brace, rather than changing them there I limped at 15mph round the corner about 200m away to a dark carpark with no skidmarks or tyre smoke. On that trip with dead tyres the police pulled me and proceeded to convict with for dangerous driving.

Thanks for the investigation work, truth is, my car is too obvious not to insure legitimately but it's nice to think I could just ignore my misdemeanor.

[bss325i]

bss325i, as someone who does,nt sit in either camp, bufty or drifter, i can see joshy,s point sort of.
The amount of stick drifter,s get on this site approaches hate sometimes, and i,ve never understood it.
Me, i just like driving a well maintained, well built reasonably powerful rwd car that does,nt look like every other
euro box out there.

To sterotype like that just shows igonorance! The guy clearly has a chip on his sholder for whatever reason but to slag of people like that for having a nice E30 and appreciating it for what it is, is just fuck!ng uncalled for.
I couldn't give a toss about what drifters do with their welders and scrap but i dont stereotype them all as chav teenagers! Ive only ever commented once about anything drift related and that was about the angle of the driveshafts on MJG's car which even he commented in a further post that they had failed twice.
So because some of us have a nice E30 that makes us a shit driver in comparison to a drifter? If ANY of you think that then you really are deluded.
I personaly have a 325i Sport (YES JOSHY, A FUCK!NG 325i SPORT!) which is used mainly for shows but i also have another E30 buit for driving pleasure, ie going fast, safely!

[MJG]

grindculture - you said "let's settle this after school" implying I am childish. I was telling you that the childish ones are surely those who go off on a mard about things being dangerous (when they're not) or illegal (when they're not). The people who come on the thread to give genuine personal experiences are surely the adults here?

[MJG]

bss - Don't label Joshy the same as all of us lol, he properly went off on one. And as I said, I think a lot of drifters are shit drivers too, but I know I'm not.

[GrindCulture]

grindculture - you said "let's settle this after school" implying I am childish. I was telling you that the childish ones are surely those who go off on a mard about things being dangerous (when they're not) or illegal (when they're not). The people who come on the thread to give genuine personal experiences are surely the adults here?

Where did I imply that it was YOU who was being childish? To be honest I'm not implying either side are children (or act as such). It was simply a light hearted remark regarding a means of resolving conflict, all be it in a pre-adulthood situation. I couldn't give a shit what anyone else dose to their cars really, drift it, polish it, hell shove your c0ck up the exhaust for all I care. I do what I want with my car and as long as no one spoils my enjoyment of it I wish them all the best with theirs. I apologise if you felt my comment was offencive or patronising.

[Jon_Bmw]

But as soon as you participate in a forum, especially being quite experienced in terms of drifting and post count people will assume that because you think that driving with a welded diff on the open road is safe, that 'christ, if that ****(insert explicative here) can do it, I must be able too' The joys of young men and macho'ism. The forum does seem to promote welded diffs for everyone and in my personal opinion its only a matter of time before something goes wrong with either a newbie or even an experienced member. A certain amount of pressure is put on say zoners to conform to a particular look you could argue, the same applies to welders and trampdrift. Ultimatly its the users choice, but reading welders are perfectly safe on the road will influence young people all the same.

As for the research, it was to try and confirm what I wrote with regards your licence, it didn't take 1 min to find it. Some rather worrying attitudes on there though!

Hard luck on the ban, seems a bit of a stitch up. Do the crime, do the time though. At least you are not banging on about it!

[town325i]

Well done town325i, tell your mate to come and compete in the BDC with his open diff rather than hooking up roundabouts ;) We'll see how great the open difff serves him.

Most of the real drifters can hang open diffs out no problem, and they can be fun for sure, but they do not allow for proper drifting on most tracks, it's nothing to do with skill, it's just a fact.

Grindculture, save your patronising schoolboy talk for those who condemn stuff they know nothing about, not the people offering real, detailed, personal experiences

well its got an lsd.

there are some people on tramp drift that are real idiots i no im going to get shot now for saying that. i sold and engine to a lad off there this year off an e30 i bought for the leather. when striping it i found all the springs where cut the front ones were already lowering springs and they where cut so much the suspension didnt acutually do a thing and this lad was well exsited about them and even bought them off me he wouldnt let me give em him for nothing now if that aint stupidity i dont no what is and it was to build a car for his missus

[MJG]

Ha, no, some people on TD are indeed idiots. Did you sell the engine with a HG failure, and the springs were held in with wire? That was me if so ;) I ended up selling the front suspension stuff to my brother, keeping the crossmember as a spare for myself, and am just finishing up the big end shells on the engine. Might not have been you but either way the story adds up lol.

Having cut springs doesn't make you a retard, and having solid suspension doesn't either, it's just a cheap way of getting stiff suspension which makes the car change direction really quickly and feel very sharp and precise at the expense of it being bouncy lol.

[town325i]

when i drove the shed back home on the motorway it nearly fooking killed me and my missus every time it went a little over 70 it tried to fire us into the hardshoulder i realy do hate cut springs after that fair enough if they are going to be used on a track but on the road they are a bit dodgy

[MJG]

So was it me you sold the stuff to? lol. I seem to remember the guy I bought my stuff from taking it out of a silver 4 door, 325i.

My cut springs were fine at over 120mph, your's must've been fucked in other ways or just cut badly so they didn't sit right.