mr moooore or anybody

[highlander112001]

i am well confused

with the ignition on what gives k5 k7 power so you can use windows mirrors n heater without the engine running ??

to my understanding its the breen/black wire

[Grrrmachine]

http://www.e30zone.net/e30zonewiki/index.php/C101

[mrLEE30]

Sorry when in re read my last post it may be confusing, when I say it's live when you turn the key I mean to the postion where the starter motor is cranking. Pin 86 is live when the ignition is turned on. When pin 86 is live power goes to Windows's etc, but during the starting position ie cranking Pin 85 is also live which cuts power to windows. At ALL other times pin 86 is grounded.

You should check if you have 12v at pin 85 with ignition on Pin 86 is ground. When the starter motor is operated BOTH pin 85 and 86 are live.

[Brianmoooore]

Lee, the unloader relays, K5 and K7, are NOTHING to do with the door pin switches in any way!
The door pin switches control another entirely separate relay behind the glovebox and inside the cabin, which is connected in series with the output of K5.

[mrLEE30]

OK cannot see that on any diagrams, so just assumed door pin operated relay in footwell that energised pin 85.

edited my post!

[Brianmoooore]

Not on any diagram I've ever seen, either Lee, probably because most of the wiring schematics available are based on US market cars, and the little sub loom that allows the windows and roof to operate with the ignition off and doors open isn't fitted for that market. For the same reason, I've never seen any official touring specific diagrams, or UK specific foglight wiring.
The diagrams I have have been drawn up by carefully tracing wires through old looms!

[mrLEE30]

Not on any diagram I've ever seen, either Lee, The diagrams I have have been drawn up by carefully tracing wires through old looms!

dont suppose you fancy scanning and sending me a copy?