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Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:37 am

Ok, seeing as a few people are about thought I woukld post up about my toy.

Been doing some greenlaning in my CRV after buying it about 18 months ago, turned out to be fun for all the family. So after some thought, I decided to sell my Yamaha FS1E I had had for circa 28 years. Was in need of total resto but brought in £1800 on Ebay.

Now flushed with some readies, the hunt was on for a Disco, 3.9V8. After ad upon ad of and review after review of rust, serious rust woes, I set my sights on a V8 P38, always fancied a Range Rover anyway so seem the obvious choice. Excellent off road abilities, plus loads of interior space and luxury.

Of course, as most will know, the P38 is a fickle beast and certainly not without drama, lots of drama. I know this.

So, happened upon a 4.6HSE local to me, looked great, ran well and seemed well looked after, despite no history and 12 owners 8O £1300 later it was on my drive.

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With the change left over I looked at tyres, the General Grabbers on 18's looked nice and have plenty of tread but were going to be of no use in the mucky stuff, one outing out with these proved correct after getting stuck in just 2" of slick mud.

Ebay came up with a set of 4, 16" Disco steel wheels rolling on aggressive Insa Turbo Special Trak mud tyres, £360 later and a free spare added to the deal they were mine. Once fitted, the off road abilities of the RR were transformed. It will go very nearly anywhere, without fuss :twisted:

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I say without fuss, this is not strictly true, when its running, oh yes, it will go anywhere, keeping it running is the tricky bit.

Drama number 1)

Went for a drive and decided to follow the Ridgeway, middle of the summer so most sections open. Now i am a plod along green laner, we all enjoy the sights and scenery of the countryside not just driving flat out out down tracks so don't drive much more than 10 mph on average. However, this particular day was boiling hot, obviously the aircon doesn't work (probably just needs a regass...yeah right!) and we were happily driving along when I noticed my temp gauge bending into the red, stopped and yep, boiling over like a bastard. Shit. Did not have spare water with me. So, we had a picnic and left the RR to cool down, the only fluid I had was orange squash, so poured all this in. It didn't really work. We managed to get about 4 miles on it but was boiling over again. In short, managed to find a layby and my boy and I set off to find a field with sheep, find sheep, find a Welshman, well ok maybe not the Welshman but we did find a water trough.
Armed with several litres of water I filled it back up, uopn starting it again, the starter motor solenoid got stuck, few strikes with a knocking tool soon had it turning again. So we set off again, managed about another 3 or 4 miles and it boiled over again. Now i am thinking I have blown head gaskets or done some serious damage, its sounded terrible. Then just had to abandon it in another layby and get a taxi home, which proved difficult at 4 pm on Fathers Day.
Returned later in the evening when the engine was stone cold and just got home as it was boiling up again.
After a bit of research (thinking the engine will never run again) I checked a known over heating cause, blocked breather running into the head tank. And yes, there it was, a small blob of blue gasket sealant blocking said tube. This had came from the new water pump that was fitted shortly before I bought it.
Filled the coolant back up, turned the key and it fired right back up like nothing had happened, and hasn't overheated since.


Drama number 2)
The starter motor I mentioned above, well this decided to really be a bastard a week later outside Tesco and just refused to run. Took an hour of hitting and swearing before it spun over.
Once home I pulled up to hear the starter still spinning after I turned off the ignition. Disconnected the battery to stop it.
While trying to figure things out, this required disconnecting the battery a few times.
Second hand starter aquired, and fitted in about 20 minutes (despite the internet saying what a swine it was to get to)
Father in Law bought me an Official Land Rover Range Rover workshop manual for it which is brilliant, not cheap but worth every penny.


Drama number 3)
I mention above disconnecting the battery several times, well, they don't like this and the computer locked me out. Engine imobilised, great.

Drama number 4)
The key fob packed up when trying to fix the above. New battery fitted I then had to sync the key to the car.
I then had to find my keycode, no history you will remember, and after much internet horror stories I happend upon a foreign website where I guy said some P38s had the code under the brake pedal rubber, yay mine did :D
However, to enter the code is not easy, it has to be done in sequance through the drivers door key lock, x to the right x to the left etc. After many many attempts, where by you get key code lock out for half hour every time, finally the door locks popped up which meant the key was now in sync and the computer recognised it. I then had to put the key in the ignition in a specified time for the computer de immobilise the engine, which it did. This whole saga took around 3 weeks to fix :cry:
Part of the problem was slightly low charge in the battery, if a P38 has anything less than a 100% battery, you will get errors and fault codes.

Drama number 5)
While out one Sunday, I noticed an odd squeak from underneith the car. Having got down on the floor I couldn't see much wrong, but the squeak was getting worse.
Stayed out for the day anyway. Once at home, and had a quick Google, concensus was probably prop UJ's. Got under mine for a closer look and sure enough, once I removed the prop, it was obvious a UJ was wrecked. It was then i leanred that the JUs have grease points. I did not know this, and what with all the water it had been subjected too, it had probably washed the remainder out. Purchased another UJ and duly fitted it, very pleased with myself because UJ refitting is not the easiest of tasks to do. Upon refitting the prop I became aware the UJ on the other end of the prop I left on the car was also broken, what a twat, I should have checked first time around. Another UJ purchased and promptly exploded as I squeezed it back togther, damn school boy error I had dislodged a needle which blew the end cap off in a shower of metal fragments :cry:
F uck it, bought a second hand prop for £30 and fitted that instead!

Drama number 6)
Yet to diagnose, but have developed a slighlty rough idle and an odd noise coming from the engine. Part of me thinks this could be a blown head gasket, this is recent so not sure yet.

It goes in for MOT on Thursday so will get that out of the way and then try to sort out the idle. Runs fine though once on the road and driving along.
Part of me hopes it fails on emissions as currently average 10mpg, I have been told this could be my lamda sensors need replacing, it would explain the mpg. It will never be great, but I should average at the least 15-18 when out on the tracks.

On the whole though, and depite the dramas, I love it, my wife loves it and do my boys, it really is an excellent car.





Here is something, just over ten years ago I posted this on here, some will remember, my boy being born......

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Here he his now ten years later......





Hope you enjoyed the little write, being a P38, the dramas are unlikely to end :D

PS, it is called Voldemort on account of the free private plates that came with it.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:24 am

Cool, kids do grow up fast though.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:45 am

good little read there rog, love a P38, had a 2.5 TD which was converted into a "shorttail" & built up for hardcore off roading & htere had been a lot of work on the lump as well, pulled like a train, was fantastic in the winter when i had it.

like you say, being a P38 the drama never ends, bit like an e30 lol,

still keeping my eye out for any animal skulls if your lad is still into that.

keep the drama/updates coming :D
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:06 am

That would have been quite the beast Steve, though I don't think I will be taking a 12" cutter to mine anytime soon, I rather like it as it is!
I do drawn the line at serious deep water wading though, too many electrics, I don't mind mud and crap inside the car but I don't want water pouring inside and soaking all the carpets. Most deep wading puddles where we go are a mix of stagnant water & diesel, they stink bad.

Got any pics of your old one Steve?

Boy is still collecting skulls, found two more this year on walks, Roe Deer stag with antlers, and Muntjac stag with antlers.

And Stephan, yep, they do, fast.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:15 am

Jesus325iTouring wrote:That would have been quite the beast Steve, though I don't think I will be taking a 12" cutter to mine anytime soon, I rather like it as it is!
I do drawn the line at serious deep water wading though, too many electrics, I don't mind mud and crap inside the car but I don't want water pouring inside and soaking all the carpets. Most deep wading puddles where we go are a mix of stagnant water & diesel, they stink bad.

Got any pics of your old one Steve?

Boy is still collecting skulls, found two more this year on walks, Roe Deer stag with antlers, and Muntjac stag with antlers.

And Stephan, yep, they do, fast.
i know what you mean about the deep water, took the carpets out in the end, & took to wearing bib and braces with waders just in case, hardly ever used a main road when i had it,

sadly no photo's as they got lost when the laptop they were on got soaked with coffee one day,

was sad to see t go in the end,

as for the skulls, thats two really good finds, been trawling through the more remote parts of sherwood forest to see what i can find, also missed out on a senior stag skull complete with antlers at woolaton hall (batmans back yard) the other week sadly.

if fund allow in the near (distant) future they will be another short/bobtail on the drive, proper madmax style :D
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:34 am

Love it, mad max style! I will be furnishing mine with a some staight throughs shortly, for no other reason than it will sound awesome :twisted:
I like to retain the edge of luxury in mine so my carpets will be staying in, plus, the main computer is located under my seat, get that wet, then you're in trouble. I would guess yours was moved, some people do this.

Found out recently though with the EAS, it has an extra extra height setting. If one bellies it for example on the top setting, the computer will register you have stopped moving, a wheel or two is spinning, and then automatically increases the height to the required wheels a further 2" or so, clever as fuck these things!

Like yours mine rarely sees tarmac, only to get from home to the byways. On the mud tyres, TBH, is horrible to drive on the road, on the tracks though, excellent.

Shame about the Stag, that would have been a cool one.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:41 am

Jesus325iTouring wrote:Love it, mad max style! I will be furnishing mine with a some staight throughs shortly, for no other reason than it will sound awesome :twisted:
I like to retain the edge of luxury in mine so my carpets will be staying in, plus, the main computer is located under my seat, get that wet, then you're in trouble. I would guess yours was moved, some people do this.

Found out recently though with the EAS, it has an extra extra height setting. If one bellies it for example on the top setting, the computer will register you have stopped moving, a wheel or two is spinning, and then automatically increases the height to the required wheels a further 2" or so, clever as **** these things!

Like yours mine rarely sees tarmac, only to get from home to the byways. On the mud tyres, TBH, is horrible to drive on the road, on the tracks though, excellent.

Shame about the Stag, that would have been a cool one.
all the leccy bits were pared down to the main parts, not needed then off it went,

they guy i got it off was a proper survivalist type, lived miles from anywhere with his own mini scrap yard, mainly landy's & RR's, he had another he wouldn't sell, bobtail again, full cage, snorkels, skid plates the works, painted matte black (under the dried on mud) can't remember the lump it had but it went like ****,

i'll have to see if he's still about,

as for the straight pipes?? oh yes, let that V8 burble be heard, has to be done.

as for the stag skull, i know a woman who works the grounds at a massive country house in lincolnshire out near east kirky air field where they keep a lancaster bomber, will ahve a word with her see if she finds any interesting skulls as there's no end of animals on that estate,
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:48 am

Takes a brave man strip the electrics down on one of these for fear of it never running again, I wouldn't even know where to begin. A skid plate may be on my list at some point, think it would a pretty sensible addition.
A lot of people put them on springs too, something I considered before i had bought one, but now living with it, the air is brilliant, such a nice ride. When it goes wrong, there is plenty of info about to fix it. One good thing about the internet really, without it, it could well be very difficult to repair many things on these, my keycode lock out would have been a nightmare for instance, and possibly unfixable without the help of the internet.

And cheers for asking the above lady!
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:50 am

no worries rog, i'll have a word when i see her next,

the thing with RR's is once you start it's hard to stop,

just looked on ebay to see whats about :eek:
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:07 am

Ha Ha all the time! I like seeing the words "becoming a classic" "last of the proper Land Rover" etc, makes me feel mine is an investment!

But yes, it is a car that grows on you despite the constant niggle of when it will next go wrong, would I sell mine? In a word, no.

Interesting price range too anything from £500 for a a shagged non runner to £20,000 for a minter.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:39 pm

Thanks for sharing Rog, great little wright up :cool:

I can't believe your son is now 10 :eek: :eek:
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:57 pm

Cheers Steve, I will try to post up a bit more, usually have some nonsense to rabbit on about.

And, yes, where does the time go??
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:28 pm

Today was a good day....... breezed through MOT with no advisories :rock: :rock: :rock:

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A5VRT LAND ROVER RANGE ROVER

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Date registered 31 December 1997
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Date tested 1 March 2018
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:07 pm

What "favours" did you have to come up with?
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Cheeky caaaaaaant :D
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:01 pm

Excellent post.. I was right there with you swearing at the car.. I sympathise with the 'what can we put in the radiator?' situation too.. One fateful evening in my Opel Manta ( C Gt/E coupe, redtop, none of that 'cam-in-head' nonsense here) I severed my bottom radiator hose.. After bodging it back on realised we were miles away from civilisation.. And liquid.. Myself and my Co pilot being avid tea drinkers decided the best course of action was to fill the rad with p*ss :mad:
All went well and car was topped up in the nearest BP... However.. Old cars being what they are.. She boiled over on Brighton seafront about a week later in heavy traffic...

The smell, I will never forget.. Cars around us were winding the windows up and passengers were gagging from the fumes of two week old boiling p*ss! It smelt like ammonia death.. So yes.. I always carry spare water these days..
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Good old Manta GTE, I was an Astra GTE man myself. Boiling piss that is priceless, I was very close to collecting the familys but managed to avoid it. Just as well by the sound of it!

And the same, never go out in th RR anymore without water stock. And tools, phone, RAC card.....
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Well some fuckwit decided to lose the rear end of his Vectra and put some holes in my bumper with his rear door, hassle time ahead especially as the car repairers will be busy........




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Bit of character that :)
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Trouble is its frontal damage so the neighbours will assume it was my fault........
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:27 am

Oh dear. Yesterday not a good day....... update later..... :cry:
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Jesus325iTouring wrote:Oh dear. Yesterday not a good day....... update later..... :cry:
Oh dear, sounds expensive.......... wasn't you was it?

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No but this was.......



Total engine failure yesterday. Oil light on, no power, but still running all be it very badly.

Options seem to be this 1) Blown out a head gasket on one bank, or, 2) Oil pump failure

Going to pick up compression test kit in the next few days see whats going on with the cylinders and take it from there.

May have to be a replacement engine :(
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:24 am

Hopefully its the cheaper option, get on to the P38 forums, could be a sensor or the ECU needs resting and check to see if the exhaust isn't blocked.
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Well had a play this morning. Started stright up which was promising although of course still runs rough.

Pulled all the plugs for a look, most seem to look like the right colour but I do have 2 black glazed plugs, which suggest low compression as possible cause.

Going to buy a compression tester before I do anything else now. No point messing around with much else until I know my compression results.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:51 pm

Fingers crossed its only a coil pack or something simple.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:23 pm

That would be nice, just the oil pressure light coming on is a concern, though wasn't on this morning.
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Oil pump broken?

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Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:46 pm

Satan wrote:Fingers crossed its only a coil pack or something simple.
Is it possible to change leads and see if it happens on different plugs ?

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How long have you owned it? Admittedly, last week's cold snap was pretty testing for any automobile...
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:52 pm

I bought it July last year.

Not sure about swapping leads, though I did pull one, out of curiosity and start it up and it sounded and ran the same as though it were still plugged in.

Maurice, could the severe cold have froze up my oil pump causing starvation?

I wanted to pull the rocker covers off today to have a look inside, but discovered I need funny multi point star sort of sockets, not your regular sockets :roll:
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:14 am

Doubtful, if the correct grade oil was used.
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:18 am

May have been entirely coincidental it was cold I guess.
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