Scotland - referendum just for zoners :)

[Alex]

Shame the Welsh wont Fook off and take the DVLA with them

[b12rlw]

Im from the west coast of Scotland from a new town called Irvine. For the past 20 odd years we've seen industry decline till the last three main employers are a pharmacutical company, glass bottle factory and a Finnish owned Paper manufacturer (between them employing circa 1000 people - not many eh?). Our town used to be home to major players in the electronics industry. My mother is English and my father a Scot, ive got two older brothers and a younger sister all of whom have suffered some sort of "abuse" about the "English". Its actually quite difficult facing the idiotic bigotted attitude on an almost daily occurrance. A so called friend has recently started to "come the c@nt" as I would say, over the recent media coverage on the independance issue, which is an issue as mentioned in this thread due to the "uneducated hereditary bigots" being brain washed by that Salmond prick. If asked I am proudly Brittish, and live in Scotland, a part of the UK. Devolution was a mistake and so is the thought of Independance. We do not have the means to survive as a seperate entity here. Econimoc growth has already been stunted by Salmond the bigot's views and as mentioned Scotland is facing harder times due to the current poinless debate. The thought of "rebranding" Scotland during an economic low such as this is simply idiotic, where are the billions of pounds gonna come from to form new policing, fire, healthcare etc???? I have voted 2. Why fix what aint Fuck3d?

[bab-91]

"uneducated hereditary bigots"

WE HAVE THEM TOO! We should swap


It is the most aggravating thing in the world trying to have a sensible argument with a coont with the IQ of a stool sample, i know your pain. We need a support group....

maybe its the zone

I cant see Scotland gaining independence, I was under the impression the rise of the SNP was to punish Labour?? You would know better than me of the chances tho

[b12rlw]

personally think its a last ditch attempt for the fanny to make a name for himself before being booted out.

[Falkster]

**** you! you whippet chasing, coal mining , pasty eating COONT!!

I think you're thinking of South Yorkshire, theyre almost as backward as the 12 fingered jocks.

[bab-91]

and only people from Kerry look like this!

[verde]

I know a boy from kerry and hes the dodgiest bastard in the world

[bab-91]

west coast is hill billy territory, one guard for a hundred miles

[verde]

Haha yeah iv heard its pretty rough and ready. I live in the redneck equivallent of scotland. Its terrible man. Its not cool american whiskey drinkin madness, its turnip humpin, sister lovin goodness with a bagpipe theme tune

[811]

i voted 2.. egomaniac salmond just wants his name in history books (future 1s).. never mind the consequences!!!

[snakebrain]

its turnip humpin, sister lovin goodness with a bagpipe theme tune

Interesting. Just across the water from you everything is the same but with a country and western soundtrack. Choose your personal hell!

[Rajworx777]

I voted #4 - simply because if they did go independent and it went tits up (which it would) we would have to bail it out.

Ya smack heeds

Who could argue with those highly intellectual comments, well done, doesn't take much to see English true colours.I being Scottish obviously voted 1.

[snakebrain]

Who could argue with those highly intellectual comments, well done, doesn't take much to see English true colours.I being Scottish obviously voted 1.

Did you join just to say that?

[BATTS91]

Is this still going on ? I dont follow politics , find it boring full of shit and .... All lies

I say as this has been dragged up from a year ago

[Gert_8]

In order to stack the odds a little isn't salmond offering the vote to 16 year olds? We all know the young can get very patriotic, simply because they cannot see the bigger picture. This tactic smacks of desperation.

This country is called the United Kingdom, if Scotland goes, then it's no longer united (obviously) but the point here is if a country's people cannot work and live together, how do we think we can deal with The European issue?

I see the England/Scotland relationship as a bit of care in the community. Leave Scotland to its own devices and it's f ucked!

Stupid, stupid idea!!

[gooner1]

I see the England/Scotland relationship as a bit of care in the community. Leave Scotland to its own devices and it's f ucked!

True but they deserve to choose whether to be f ucked, or not.

[Gert_8]

I see the England/Scotland relationship as a bit of care in the community. Leave Scotland to its own devices and it's f ucked!

True but they deserve to choose whether to be f ucked, or not.

No, not really, you don't give an idiot a loaded gun to play with, do you?...

[gooner1]

I see the England/Scotland relationship as a bit of care in the community. Leave Scotland to its own devices and it's f ucked!

True but they deserve to choose whether to be f ucked, or not.

No, not really, you don't give an idiot a loaded gun to play with, do you?...

Yes, now take this Smith and Wesson..........

[Gert_8]

True but they deserve to choose whether to be f ucked, or not.

No, not really, you don't give an idiot a loaded gun to play with, do you?...

Yes, now take this Smith and Wesson..........

Haha. A good idea would be to give them "Freedom!" and then annex them

[bab-91]

This is getting closer. Any Scots being swayed either way?

[steve_k]

How can any scot beleave salmon when he has lied to his followers twice now?

Once about automatic membership of the EU (they've got to spend several years going it alone before they can apply to join)

2nd, saying that if they leave they keep the pound even though the Bank of England has stated that they would not be keeping the pound.

& now he starts on about the oil fields, sorry but he ain't got a clue, let them go & see how long before he comes cap in hand asking for help.

[steve_k]

also if they do go it alone then there's the issue of scots working in England & vise Versa,
& the complex issue of work permits etc

[bab-91]

2nd, saying that if they leave they keep the pound even though the Bank of England has stated that they would not be keeping the pound.

I agree with everything you said with the exception of the above.


It seems the Bank of England forgets the ROI had a currency union with the UK until 1979... and the south won its Independence by less civil means than the Scots are using.

Either way, It's interesting to read opinion polls that have the Yes vote catching the No vote.

[steve_k]

Who gives a sh1t whats good for the USSR is good for anyone else, can the Brits get a vote on ditching the Welsh?

Ditch the welsh?? Carefull you might wake up one day with a leek up your arse, daffodil in your Japs eye & a sheeps head in your bed,

You know what those boyos from the valleys are like lol

[Rtaylor2208]

As I said early in in this thread salmond does us no favours, but it's not a long term vote for that fukwit, 18 months on from the referendum it's election time again, but what self serving fucks will that bring up.

The currency argument holds little water on either side, predominantly all South American countries use the dollar with no currency union in place, if it went they way of the Tories there is literally nothing stopping Scotland using sterling as a currency, who loses out, well that would be both sides, no backing from the Bank of England should the worst happen, on the other hand Scotland can say keep the debt. There's then the argument that Scotland's credit rating will be in taters and stuck with high interest borrowing like a handout from wonga.

This is very much a leep of faith election, personally having read all 600+ pages of the SNP's white paper has affirmed I don't won't these coonts in power long term. But on the whole this could be a positive result for Scotland, but like any business it's only as good as its management, most politicians are self serving, daddy's money, wanks, do they represent the majority , do they fuck , they represent their own interests and the interests of their financial backers.

[bab-91]

on the other hand Scotland can say keep the debt.

They can say it but it's empty rhetoric.


The stance over the currency is most likely political. In the unlikely case of independence it will go something like "Have the £ and we retain MOD bases in Scotland and you will keep within budgetary guidelines set by BoE, make life difficult for us and we will return the favour"

Also, isn't most if not all oil refineries in England?

[nickso]

Also, isn't most if not all oil refineries in England?

No, Grangemouth Oil refinery and St Fergus Gas plant.

[nickso]

I think a lot of the yes vote comes from Central belt folk with a chip on their shoulder (I suppose I would too if I lived in some of the dung piles you find there). A recent poll in a newspaper which I can't recall the name of seemed to prove this with a low support from people in Inverness and far more support in the central belt. You would have thought the north of the country would have more reason to feel isolated from Westminster but it seems not. I wonder how many Celtic FC fans plan to vote no, I'll bet not many.....and a lot of them just so they can stick it to Rangers fans.

I personally can't see the point in Independence, it promises a lot yet we all know it will deliver little. I am fairly convinced Scotland more than pays its way in The Union, where we intend to get the money to pay for the extra infrastructure and changes we would need to make hasn't been answered to my satisfaction.

If it goes Independent I will have to move my tax free living plans up a notch I guess.

[magpie]

they are wanting to keep the pound....BRITISH STIRLING ...and of course we will do the British thing and say No,then have a cup of tea

[Gert_8]

The strongest arguement for independence (presented by Salmond) is based on the oil. They claim revenues will be spent much better for the benefit of Scotland and its people. What they forget is that it is a finite resource - 10-15 year's worth of supply? What happens after this?

The nuclear bases are a point of contention, which I'm sure will be used as a massive negotiating tool. It's simply not practical to relocate these to south coast and have the russian's target London

Scotland will never be allowed to become a member of the EU. Their independence causes a ballache for Spain with their own internal fight against the same thing.

[Rtaylor2208]

On the whole EU point, the Tories are discussing leaving the EU and there is talk of a referendum so either way if it happens Scotland would not be part of the EU anyway.

I'm still very undecided on where my vote lies as so far neither side has given good enough reasons for me to swing in their favour.

If it's as clear cut as the UK government would like you to think why does David the gimp Cameron still refuse to enter into a debate with Salmond?

[Gert_8]

what's the point in debating with Salmond? I think Cameron sees it as an internal issue for Scotland. However, he's allowing that badger browed guy to lobby the Scottish people.

It's a bit like telling your son to let mum know that dinner is ready. The message from the father is the same, it's just delivered by someone else.

If Britain were to leave the EU, and Scotland are still part of it, then they would be in a better postion to deal with things than if they were on their own. As I mentioned, I can't see the EU entertaining Scottish membership as the catalans and others will be waiting to see the outcome of this and that will put a massive pressure on other EU group countries to react to Independence claims.

Do the Scots really still feel they are badly treated? It's not like anyone is asking you to give up your cultural heritage or forcing you to speak English in preference to.......English. There is no colour distinction, you live on the same land mass. It's crackers.

[bab-91]

I think a lot of the yes vote comes from Central belt folk with a chip on their shoulder (I suppose I would too if I lived in some of the dung piles you find there). A recent poll in a newspaper which I can't recall the name of seemed to prove this with a low support from people in Inverness and far more support in the central belt. You would have thought the north of the country would have more reason to feel isolated from Westminster but it seems not. I wonder how many Celtic FC fans plan to vote no, I'll bet not many.....and a lot of them just so they can stick it to Rangers fans.

I personally can't see the point in Independence, it promises a lot yet we all know it will deliver little. I am fairly convinced Scotland more than pays its way in The Union, where we intend to get the money to pay for the extra infrastructure and changes we would need to make hasn't been answered to my satisfaction.

If it goes Independent I will have to move my tax free living plans up a notch I guess.

Funny, I was talking about the Celtic dimension in Scotland with a mate (A Scot and a Celtic fan). His family are dead set against independence. They see Westminster as an honest 'broker' in Scotland and fear Scotland becoming a massive Northern Ireland. Considering the small Catholic population, sectarianism is still alive and kicking in Scotland etc, the likelihood of civil/ sectarian tension if the economy went to the wall.

Maybe I was surprised because I assumed they would be Pro Independence.