Scotland - referendum just for zoners :)

[N00b]

F**k em, put up a border and watch the ******* sink!

Someone had the same idea a number of years ago.

[verde]

If scotland goes independant im leaving

[Falkster]

F**k em, put up a border and watch the ******* sink!

Someone had the same idea a number of years ago.

Oh did they?

[N00b]

F**k em, put up a border and watch the ******* sink!

Someone had the same idea a number of years ago.

Oh did they?

Hadrian something or other.

[bss325i]

Why do the scotch (not all obviously) hate the english?

Ancient history aside that is.

[fuzzy]

if they were to give honest and real reasons/facts and figures for people to make an informed decision then id listen. we wont get that. we'll get the usual mud slinging and made up scare stories.
depending on who you listen to theres totally opposite figures to prove their points.
i read figures that say scotland pays more than their fair share towards the union. english members say the opposite.
who knows?

[bab-91]

The Doctor say's NO!!!

[N00b]

In terms of money "we" put into Scotland against money generated IN Scotland, from what I understand it was more than viable 30 or 40 years ago but not anymore. Plus people involved in the debate seem to forget that oil is a finite resource.

[Falkster]

Someone had the same idea a number of years ago.

Oh did they?

Hadrian something or other.

I wondered! I thought he just had a really big garden that he walled in.

[Falkster]

Why do the scotch (not all obviously) hate the english?

Ancient history aside that is.

I'd probably say being called scotch would go some way toward them hating you.

[fuzzy]

i cant see the word scotch being seen as offensive. most likely down to ancient history. im not fussed about the english. its weegies i hate.

[fuzzy]

In terms of money "we" put into Scotland against money generated IN Scotland, from what I understand it was more than viable 30 or 40 years ago but not anymore. Plus people involved in the debate seem to forget that oil is a finite resource.

like i said before, it all comes down to what figures produced by who ever that you chose to believe.

[verde]

i cant see the word scotch being seen as offensive. most likely down to ancient history. im not fussed about the english. its weegies i hate.

Im from edinburgh aswell. Some cunt weegie wouldnt sell me an e28 cos I was from edinburgh

[N00b]

Oh did they?

Hadrian something or other.

I wondered! I thought he just had a really big garden that he walled in.

The garden was lovely, it was the gnomes that caused all of the trouble, lol.

[N00b]

In terms of money "we" put into Scotland against money generated IN Scotland, from what I understand it was more than viable 30 or 40 years ago but not anymore. Plus people involved in the debate seem to forget that oil is a finite resource.

like i said before, it all comes down to what figures produced by who ever that you chose to believe.

Years ago I'd have agreed with you, however now it seems pretty cut and dried. Stats are funny things but in this case it looks clear that Scotland costs more than it generates. I'm no St. George wearing patriot on this matter and I don't subscribe to any rivallry or superiority complex relating to the Scots, I just think Scottish independance belongs in the same folder as the Euro. An interesting idea, but it brings far too many problems when you try to implement it.

[hennared323i]

I am Scottish and I voted 7

I finally escaped in '97 to come visit the shires and I only reluctantly go back to Aberdeen to see my parents.

Hateful country full of prize tossers, nimby's and midgies

[Falkster]

Hadrian something or other.

I wondered! I thought he just had a really big garden that he walled in.

The garden was lovely, it was the gnomes that caused all of the trouble, lol.

It was that bastard with the fishing rod!

[N00b]

It was that bastard with the fishing rod!

I always thought he looked fishy.

[fuzzy]

im undecided but i feel that as it effects the uk then maybe the whole uk should get a vote? im surprised at the above poll showing more english voters are against seperation so far.

[bab-91]

im undecided but i feel that as it effects the uk then maybe the whole uk should get a vote? im surprised at the above poll showing more english voters are against seperation so far.

Under no circumstances should the rest of the UK have a say.

It defeats the entire ideal of self determination!

This is a matter for the Scottish alone. Everyone should have an opinion but that's where it ends.

If England got to decide who stayed in the UK, Northern Ireland would of been abandoned years ago because it was politically unfashionable and expensive to defend British citizens, The Falklands would be abandoned also even with the islanders wanting to remain a British dominion

[Falkster]

im undecided but i feel that as it effects the uk then maybe the whole uk should get a vote? im surprised at the above poll showing more english voters are against seperation so far.

Under no circumstances should England have a say.

It defeats the entire ideal of self determination!

This is a matter for the Scottish alone. Everyone should have an opinion but that's where it ends.

If England got to decide who stayed in the UK, Northern Ireland would of been abandoned years ago because it was politically unfashionable and expensive to defend British citizens, The Falklands would be abandoned also even with the islanders wanting to remain a British dominion

Politically unfashionable? I think most people would have voted to give it back to the Irish then it might have stopped the following 20+ years of bombing there and on the mainland.

[fuzzy]

what then if england should decide to have a referendum on breaking away from the rest of the uk regardless of what the scottish voters have decided?

[gooner1]

what then if england should decide to have a referendum on breaking away from the rest of the uk regardless of what the scottish voters have decided?

What would happen to the many Scottish servicemen, in
the event of a yes vote for Independence?

[fuzzy]

ive no idea. thats one of the many serious issues to be debated. most likely we wont get that though, we'll get sensationalized scare stories and half truths instead plus stories about how alex salmond is a devil worshipper who kicks kittens and puppies in his spare time for fun.
and youll probably find more people will vote in the xfactor final than something like this though.

[bab-91]

im undecided but i feel that as it effects the uk then maybe the whole uk should get a vote? im surprised at the above poll showing more english voters are against seperation so far.

Under no circumstances should England have a say.

It defeats the entire ideal of self determination!

This is a matter for the Scottish alone. Everyone should have an opinion but that's where it ends.

If England got to decide who stayed in the UK, Northern Ireland would of been abandoned years ago because it was politically unfashionable and expensive to defend British citizens, The Falklands would be abandoned also even with the islanders wanting to remain a British dominion

Politically unfashionable? I think most people would have voted to give it back to the Irish then it might have stopped the following 20+ years of bombing there and on the mainland.

There has not been a vote on a united Ireland here because it is a minority movement. Sein Fein may call for one in the future but it presently doesn't have a majority backing.

From what you have said, murdering and terrorism is a legitimate way to gain political goals and leave the Irish to deal with the Irish!
Im no more Irish than the boil on your arse!

This is my home and I am British. Do I deserve lesser treatment than you because you live on the mainland? Do we not deserve the same political freedoms as the English, Scottish and welsh!

Our people were terrorized more than the rest of the UK by the IRA, we have suffered loss fighting for Britain in past and present wars, but if it's to close to home, if the son's being lost are English then surely the cost for defending freedom is too high!!

and your argument is the laziest ive ever encountered and I wouldn't repeat it in Northern Ireland!

[Falkster]

Under no circumstances should England have a say.

It defeats the entire ideal of self determination!

This is a matter for the Scottish alone. Everyone should have an opinion but that's where it ends.

If England got to decide who stayed in the UK, Northern Ireland would of been abandoned years ago because it was politically unfashionable and expensive to defend British citizens, The Falklands would be abandoned also even with the islanders wanting to remain a British dominion

Politically unfashionable? I think most people would have voted to give it back to the Irish then it might have stopped the following 20+ years of bombing there and on the mainland.

There has not been a vote on a united Ireland here because it is a minority movement. Sein Fein may call for one in the future but it presently doesn't have a majority backing.

From what you have said, murdering and terrorism is a legitimate way to gain political goals and leave the Irish to deal with the Irish!
Im no more Irish than the boil on your arse!

This is my home and I am British. Do I deserve lesser treatment than you because you live on the mainland? Do we not deserve the same political freedoms as the English, Scottish and welsh!

Our people were terrorized more than the rest of the UK by the IRA, we have suffered loss fighting for Britain in past and present wars, but if it's to close to home, if the son's being lost are English then surely the cost for defending freedom is too high!!

and your argument is the laziest ive ever encountered and I wouldn't repeat it in Northern Ireland!

Not my arguement. I was merely saying what people would have voted and why.
My opinion is, the same as the Falklands, there are people in these provinces that are british, see themselves as British and want to be part of Britain. If we turned our back on them then we're as bad as the IRA or Argentines that have been disrupting the land for far too long.
The only problem with that is the other side that don't want us there as much as they don't want you there.
What's the best thing to do? You've got narrow minded people that think their view is right the same as the Arab/Israeli conflict or India/Pakistan!

[bab-91]

Well that's the reason for self determination. Free from external pressure, why should another nation decide the national identity of a neighboring home nation? England has no more right to tell Scotland to become independent than Scotland has the right to tell the English to be French. I believe In the UK and believe we are all stronger together.

I have friends that are nationalists and catholics.

20 years ago we would have been shot by the paramilitaries for drinking in the others area.

We look to be returning to that era but hopefully it we will not,

but we can argue the politics of unionism/nationalism and we vote in free elections

and thats how it should stay, self determination and self governance is the only reason we have this peace.

The "troubles" were caused by religious discrimination so I personally understand why the IRA campaign of old existed! But that discrimination is no longer present.

The ballet box and debate should be the only things needed to gain a political achievement.

Apart from the Argentine's... they need wiped off the map whinny coonts....

The Arab/Israeli & Indian/Pakistan show is a clash of nations so alot more complicated than NI... religious hatred a reason of blame there too but wouldnt be aware of this history of the conflicts in great depth

[Alex]

Good for the Scotts they have the right idea

[Falkster]

I actually think Scotland is different. I'm really naive as I didn't realise how much they hate the English but since adulthood I have come across many Scots that hate English people.

I bet if it were left to the narrow minded part of Scotland to vote then they'd vote for independence but if the intelligent few were to vote then they'd understand the power of the union.

[e30topless]

I have never understood the whole Irish deal,

I was out boozing with a paddy mate (from Donegal) when he started getting abuse from 2 Irish guys who noticed his Gaelic football shirt, would they be from Northern or Southern Ireland ?

they gave him abuse But said i was one of "them" and they were my mates ?
it ended in Tears when I knocked the coonts out with a chair after they started Pushing Mick around

as for the Scotts, Build Hadrians wall a little Higher to keep us scumbags out

[bab-91]

I have never understood the whole Irish deal,

I was out boozing with a paddy mate (from Donegal) when he started getting abuse from 2 Irish guys who noticed his Gaelic football shirt, would they be from Northern or Southern Ireland ?

they gave him abuse But said i was one of "them" and they were my mates ?
it ended in Tears when I knocked the coonts out with a chair after they started Pushing Mick around

as for the Scotts, Build Hadrians wall a little Higher to keep us scumbags out

Probably Northern Irish chaps. GAA is a majority catholic/Irish sport and Northern Ireland is majority Protestant, but you did the right thing using the chair lol. I hate sectarianism and small mindedness.

[Dezzy]

What I don't get is, why do all "None English" hate us so much?

As far as I'm concerned I coudn't give a fook what they do. They are just foreigners as far as I can see.

Same as the Spanish apart from I don't want to visit

[Falkster]

[Falkster]

I have never understood the whole Irish deal,

I was out boozing with a paddy mate (from Donegal) when he started getting abuse from 2 Irish guys who noticed his Gaelic football shirt, would they be from Northern or Southern Ireland ?

they gave him abuse But said i was one of "them" and they were my mates ?
it ended in Tears when I knocked the coonts out with a chair after they started Pushing Mick around

as for the Scotts, Build Hadrians wall a little Higher to keep us scumbags out

Like it mattered who they were! Any excuse to bring Charlie or Stanley out!!

[bab-91]

fuck you! you whippet chasing, coal mining , pasty eating COONT!!