Scotland - referendum just for zoners :)

[nickso]

Don't think it matters. Kiwi's, Aussies etc get away with it.

Bet there will be some proper rammy's in the barracks now though.

[Andyboy]

Never mind the oil - think about the shortbread.

[steve_k]

Never mind the oil - think about the shortbread.

& the whiskey, might go the same way as cuban cigars lol.

[Speedtouch]

Don't forget the wine-gums!

[TPS]

Never mind the oil - think about the shortbread.

& the whiskey, might go the same way as cuban cigars lol.

Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish

[steve_k]

Never mind the oil - think about the shortbread.

& the whiskey, might go the same way as cuban cigars lol.

Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish

Oops my bad lol

Speedtouch, please don't tell me that wine gums will go on to the blackmarket?!?!

[bab-91]

Never mind the oil - think about the shortbread.

& the whiskey, might go the same way as cuban cigars lol.

Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish

Whiskey is Irish, no matter how you spell it.


So are bagpipes... your welcome!

[Andyboy]

There's a moose, loose, aboot this hoose.

And it's a braw, bricht and moonlicht nicht!

[Andyboy]

& the whiskey, might go the same way as cuban cigars lol.

Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish

Whiskey is Irish, no matter how you spell it.


So are bagpipes... your welcome!

So was the Hillman Imp. Early ones has a pneumatic throttle, pure bagpipe technology.


I see that both Connolly and Connery were pro Independence, despite being millionaires that don't actually live there....

[Speedtouch]

I wonder where that junkie, Ewan McGregor, stands in all of this?

[B7]

So it's a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

We should make them pay for subscriptions again now

[steve_k]

Just got to wait for all the bullshyte from billy the fish now.

Wonder what kind of crap he's going to come out with???

[Gert_8]

My prediction for tomorrow:

NO thank you. The margin won't be as close as the 51% for staying united and 49% for leaving.

Reason for this is I feel a certain amount of intimidation from the Yes voters.

Looking forward to this

Only surprise was Edinburgh voted no, but even then I thought it might have been a close call.

Glasgow was no surprise. However, the city of Edinburgh has always shown more class.

Glad the matter has been settled with a marked 55% in favour of retaining the union, and that intelligence and common sense prevailed.

[DanThe]

Whiskey is Irish, Whisky is Scottish

Whiskey is Irish, no matter how you spell it.


So are bagpipes... your welcome!

So was the Hillman Imp. Early ones has a pneumatic throttle, pure bagpipe technology.


I see that both Connolly and Connery were pro Independence, despite being millionaires that don't actually live there....

Did Mel Gibson get to vote in the end?

[Rtaylor2208]

I know this will not be popular on here, but its a disappointing result. But that's democracy and and the Scottish people have to live with that. Only time will tell if its a decision that will be regretted in years to come.

Lets see if any of the promised extra devolved powers actually materialize, I have my doubts as I can't see many of the back bencher's actually supporting it.

[Gert_8]

I don't agree with that. I think the door has been opened to give Scotland what it wants, and it will get it. To be fair, whatever is agreed, has to be reflected in the arrangements for England, Wales and NI.

The outcome will be disappointing for the 45%, this was going to be inevitable for the losing side, but as you say this is democracy at work. The fact is, you were given the opportunity and as a country decided to stay in the Union.

The facts are, your oil and gas will run out. Now, income from these assets can be discussed in realistic, rather than inflated terms, and you have an aging population. National fervour aside, you will become a drain on the UK, so being together is the long term, and correct, solution.

[Gert_8]

Usually people DIE for their freedom ......

but to VOTE against it is beyond belief ...... face palm

What is this f ucking bullshit talk about freedom?! The fact that Scotland has been in the union for over 300 years suggests it's been an agreement. No one has told them they cannot have their cultural differences or have to behave in a certain way. there's no language obsticale.

Ask someone outside of the UK, say any european, to describe the difference between the Scottish and English, you can even include the Welsh, and they will NOT be able to define it.

[Motorhole]

Uniting Scotland and England was the work of the Scots anyway...

King James IV of Scotland became King James I of England and Scotland when he inherited the crown from Elizabeth I. He dreamt of a united kingdom, but never got to advance it beyond a union of the crowns. Nevertheless the job was finished by Queen Anne nearly a hundred years later - last of the Scottish Stewart line of monarchs.

I'm a Scot...but not sure about all this 'freedom'' lark. Freedom from what? The United Kingdom awards the Scots benefits such as free prescriptions and free further education - benefits the English don't get. MOD and associated contractors, considered collectively are surely one of the biggest, if not the biggest employer in Scotland - a country with a general employment problem as it stands. If that all went south (intentional pun) it would cause problems for sure.

Perhaps in the long run, left to their own devices, the Scots could build themselves a better country. But the transition would be miserable - and in that misery are much of my family, many of them in their latter years. I'd like to see them have an easy time for the rest of their lives!

[Captain_Birdseye]

The upper classes are fairly more fluid in their sense of nationality.

This referendum was a positive thing in that it has opened the door for more thought about how we can make the Uk better for Scots and for all members. There needs to be change.

My mother is scots, Dad Irish, me English and I work in England but my customer base is MOD Faslane. So needless to say the outcome has saved me some head-fuckery!

[h7fal]

Never really in doubt. There was always going to be a large number of voters who were silent until the impact to their own pocket was understood.

Yes campaign banged on about social reform etc. but avoided the "how will it actually affect me?" and "where is the extra money coming from - is it my pocket?" questions.

In the end if your life is in a reasonable place, why would you take the risk? Salmond underestimated real life selfishness.

To almost quote Hansen - You'll never win anything with kids (and jakes from Glasgow/Dundee)

[nickso]

The United Kingdom awards the Scots benefits such as free prescriptions and free further education - benefits the English don't get.

That is not awarded by the UK.

It was nothing more than budget jiggery pokery to win an election and other services suffer as a result.....something just about every Englishman has failed to grasp judging by how many times it has been quoted as one reason to "cut us loose".

[nickso]

There was always going to be a large number of voters who were silent until the impact to their own pocket was understood.

Yes campaign banged on about social reform etc. but avoided the "how will it actually affect me?" and "where is the extra money coming from - is it my pocket?" questions.

In the end if your life is in a reasonable place, why would you take the risk?

Nail on the head.

For many like me who would like to see changes in the way Scotland is run, telling me it is possible without backing it up in any way is hardly going to swing the intelligent voter to YES.

The proposed social reform seemed worryingly close to bending me over for an extra xx% of tax so some jakey that can't help himself gets a better life.

[Gert_8]

I'm glad Scotland didn't leave us, otherwise we will have been known all over the world as "those two countries with the shit weather!"

[shedrool83]

Too many Scots sh*t themselves at the thought of change.
Maybe now things will change for the better right across the uk but I doubt it.

[Gert_8]

Salmond's thrown his toys out of the pram now.

[Gert_8]

Salmond's thrown his toys out of the pram now.

Jump or be pushed, he had no choice.

Oh, I don't know. I like to give credit where it's due, and he's done a brilliant job bringing the SNP from a small loony fringe organisation to what it is today.

I suppose he feels he cannot achieve anymore and feels a bit of a failure, but he's certainly a determined negotiator. If I were a yes type, I'd certainly want him leading the party.

[Rtaylor2208]

I am definitely not a fan of Alex Salmond and while this vote was not about him or the SNP, I agree with Gert (god did i just say that ).

I admire what he did achieve, he managed to negotiate the referendum taking place and while it's not been a roaring success if you did want independence, he did decrease the margin considerably from circa 20% in favor two years ago to 45% yesterday.

But more importantly than any of that without his determination to have a referendum Scotland would never have been anywhere near as interested in voicing their opinion in politics. It would be great if that same interest is reflected in the next Scottish and National elections.

[nickso]

It would be great if that same interest is reflected in the next Scottish and National elections.

Yeh....SNP v's Labour in Scotland......what an inspirational contest....can't wait.

Can't wait to abstain yet again and wait for something or someone who has even the slightest cue what their constituents want.